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vectorman wrote:
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I can vouch for that!
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vectorman
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mlk_man wrote:
mlk_man wrote:
Good call on the S fund for today, hopefully it will hold up and you'll get your money back.:^Wheels wrote:Well hopefully you weren't in that "I" fund yesterday like I was.......:shock: If I was out of stocks everytime I played the "I" fund, I might be up 100% this year!
Okay, that was slight exaggeration...............
Birchtree
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Vectorman,
Alright - fair advice - but where can one find competent professional advice. Mom told me to stop calling. I've come to realize through personal experience that the professionals I've known actually know less than their secretaries. Heck, they may want to sell product that they don't even own a position in. What brought that on anyway?
Wheels and Mike, I owe you each $100.
Dennis
Vectorman,
Alright - fair advice - but where can one find competent professional advice. Mom told me to stop calling. I've come to realize through personal experience that the professionals I've known actually know less than their secretaries. Heck, they may want to sell product that they don't even own a position in. What brought that on anyway?
Wheels and Mike, I owe you each $100.
Dennis
James48843
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Hrrrruuuumphh!
That's it. I throw my hands in the air and give up.
I've now tried to play my "gut" in and out a couple times over the last two weeks.
And the good news is I am actually a couple bucks ahead of where I was two weeks ago.
The bad news is I made trades almost EXACLTY at the wrong day, into the wrong place, to make a better return.
My lesson learned- ya can't anticipate what the market is going to do- even when you think you nailed it right.
So today, I just clicked to move everything BACK from G fund back into stocks.
I put 30% into C, 50% into S, and 20% into I.
and THIS TIME I am going to leave it there for a while.
Good grief- if this was easy, everybody would be doing it.
Ever since they allowed "day trading" in the new TSP system, I've wondered if I could beat the market. What I learned this past two weeks is that I can't keep up fast enough (with only one trade a day, and it must be before noon in order to catch that days' market close) to really make a good call. It may be better just to sit back and watch "trends", and try to go along with those, than to try and get in and out in a hurry.
BY the way- I cast my vote today for "BULLISH" in the weekly survey. I saw it was almost striaght down the middle- bulls and bears, with a good chunk of people neutral this week.
Happy investing.....
Hrrrruuuumphh!
That's it. I throw my hands in the air and give up.
I've now tried to play my "gut" in and out a couple times over the last two weeks.
And the good news is I am actually a couple bucks ahead of where I was two weeks ago.
The bad news is I made trades almost EXACLTY at the wrong day, into the wrong place, to make a better return.
My lesson learned- ya can't anticipate what the market is going to do- even when you think you nailed it right.
So today, I just clicked to move everything BACK from G fund back into stocks.
I put 30% into C, 50% into S, and 20% into I.
and THIS TIME I am going to leave it there for a while.
Good grief- if this was easy, everybody would be doing it.
Ever since they allowed "day trading" in the new TSP system, I've wondered if I could beat the market. What I learned this past two weeks is that I can't keep up fast enough (with only one trade a day, and it must be before noon in order to catch that days' market close) to really make a good call. It may be better just to sit back and watch "trends", and try to go along with those, than to try and get in and out in a hurry.
BY the way- I cast my vote today for "BULLISH" in the weekly survey. I saw it was almost striaght down the middle- bulls and bears, with a good chunk of people neutral this week.
Happy investing.....
Birchtree
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James48843,
Just step back a little - no harm done - it's called learning and has taken me since 1974 and I stll don't know much. It's an on going process because every cycle is different - some times history will repeat - but never exactly. I need 14 more points in the next hour - only time will tell. But over the weekend you will notice that there will be more than a few new all-time highs being established in various indexes. The sp600 small cap, the sp400 mid-cap, the DJU index and there may be more. This is a good time to be patient but not complacent.
And I keep a nice set of pearl handle Colts well oiled when you decide to start playing Palladin again. Have Gun - Will Travel.
James48843,
Just step back a little - no harm done - it's called learning and has taken me since 1974 and I stll don't know much. It's an on going process because every cycle is different - some times history will repeat - but never exactly. I need 14 more points in the next hour - only time will tell. But over the weekend you will notice that there will be more than a few new all-time highs being established in various indexes. The sp600 small cap, the sp400 mid-cap, the DJU index and there may be more. This is a good time to be patient but not complacent.
And I keep a nice set of pearl handle Colts well oiled when you decide to start playing Palladin again. Have Gun - Will Travel.
robo
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coolhand wrote:
I voted bullish last week and madea little playing this narrow trading range.
I'm with coolhand, taking some gains here and waiting...
Very short term I think this trading range holds. We are now at the high end again, and If we cant get thru 1230 with good volume it's probably back to the 1190 to 1194 support. I'm still very bullish, but cautious. I still think it's 1250 before 1150, and we shouldtake a shot at the highs next week. For those still playing the S Fund nice job... I played only the S&P this week. The bulls are on the move!!! I'm waiting for the 1190's again, 100% fixed income at the close today. Good luck next week for those that are long... Grazing again..........
coolhand wrote:
Don't forget...the trick here is to "keep" the gains. :shock:.....
I voted bullish last week and madea little playing this narrow trading range.
I'm with coolhand, taking some gains here and waiting...
Very short term I think this trading range holds. We are now at the high end again, and If we cant get thru 1230 with good volume it's probably back to the 1190 to 1194 support. I'm still very bullish, but cautious. I still think it's 1250 before 1150, and we shouldtake a shot at the highs next week. For those still playing the S Fund nice job... I played only the S&P this week. The bulls are on the move!!! I'm waiting for the 1190's again, 100% fixed income at the close today. Good luck next week for those that are long... Grazing again..........
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The terrorist lost.
They attacked during the G-8 summit. They wanted to hurt our economy here and abroad. They failed. They wanted us to live in fear and our economy to collapse. It did not even last a day. :! London is alive and well and so are we. They took some lives and we will have to defend ourselves. We can not stop ALL their attacks but we can win this. They lost yesterday. Yes, they did hurt us but their misson failed. Keep those in London and all the troops fighting to protect us in your prayers. Stand together and we will win this.:^
I am out of stocks and look what they did. Good job to all that hanged tough. (I was out before the attack not as a result.)
The terrorist lost.
They attacked during the G-8 summit. They wanted to hurt our economy here and abroad. They failed. They wanted us to live in fear and our economy to collapse. It did not even last a day. :! London is alive and well and so are we. They took some lives and we will have to defend ourselves. We can not stop ALL their attacks but we can win this. They lost yesterday. Yes, they did hurt us but their misson failed. Keep those in London and all the troops fighting to protect us in your prayers. Stand together and we will win this.:^I am out of stocks and look what they did. Good job to all that hanged tough. (I was out before the attack not as a result.)
Spaf
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tsptalk wrote:
If the government wanted to secure your TSP retirement plan don't you think that they should have provided competent professional advisement service?
The G-fund is the thrift savings program. The rest is one bond fund and three equity funds.
Once outside the the G-fund you are a stock market investor.........on your own!
Save this site!
Rgds
Spaf
tsptalk wrote:
OH Wow!vectorman wrote:Thanks for watching my back v-man
If the government wanted to secure your TSP retirement plan don't you think that they should have provided competent professional advisement service?
The G-fund is the thrift savings program. The rest is one bond fund and three equity funds.
Once outside the the G-fund you are a stock market investor.........on your own!
Save this site!
Rgds
Spaf
Spaf
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I'm going to say something that is very contrary.
TSP is a very poor system for equities! The funds are very limited and position changes are untimely.
Members in TSP have suffered huge losses due to a lack of advice on when and how to allocate investments.
TSP outside of the G-fund, requires help over and above of the novice member!
Didn't mean to offend! Only talk reality! Rgds Spaf
I'm going to say something that is very contrary.
TSP is a very poor system for equities! The funds are very limited and position changes are untimely.
Members in TSP have suffered huge losses due to a lack of advice on when and how to allocate investments.
TSP outside of the G-fund, requires help over and above of the novice member!
Didn't mean to offend! Only talk reality! Rgds
Spaf
Birchtree
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Spaf,
On the contrary my good fellow Ive actually gotten some good advice from this site and some of it came from you. Pyriel and Flash Gordon are now in the process of trying to help you ruin your retirement by offering strategies on how to handle your TSP funds once you retire. Your investment career may just be getting to the sweet spot- just have to exercise that power you've accumulated over these many years.
I think the TSP will be changing in years to come. Maybe offering a conversion from defined benefit to defined contribution plan. That would be exceptional. No more annuity program - get all you are due up front. The money stays in your family.
Spaf,
On the contrary my good fellow Ive actually gotten some good advice from this site and some of it came from you. Pyriel and Flash Gordon are now in the process of trying to help you ruin your retirement by offering strategies on how to handle your TSP funds once you retire. Your investment career may just be getting to the sweet spot- just have to exercise that power you've accumulated over these many years.
I think the TSP will be changing in years to come. Maybe offering a conversion from defined benefit to defined contribution plan. That would be exceptional. No more annuity program - get all you are due up front. The money stays in your family.
Spaf
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Birchtree wrote:
Dennis,
I didn't mean this site. TSPTalk is tops!
TSP (the fund) needs to change, I agree. It is upsetting to me the way it is.
I've been reading along as to what you guys were saying about retirement. You guys got some good stuff. You are not just thrashing it out for me, but for everone!
Been having some busy weeks (a whole nother government story)!
My retirement plan has been in the works for a while, should of really started sooner. My accountantdid a lot of help, especially when it comesIRS-due-time.
It's unbelievable the medical costs as you get older!
They have to improve the TSP system! I can see how many folks are involved, and where their investment are (in what funds). It's not right. The government workers deserve better! Much better! Hey, how about we start with a stock investment 101 course.
If your orbit continues next week, I might have to get off the ground!
This Thread is getting kind of heavy!!!
Probably start a new onein a little bit!
Rgds! Spaf
Birchtree wrote:
Dennis,
I didn't mean this site. TSPTalk is tops!
TSP (the fund) needs to change, I agree. It is upsetting to me the way it is.
I've been reading along as to what you guys were saying about retirement. You guys got some good stuff. You are not just thrashing it out for me, but for everone!
Been having some busy weeks (a whole nother government story)!
My retirement plan has been in the works for a while, should of really started sooner. My accountantdid a lot of help, especially when it comesIRS-due-time.
It's unbelievable the medical costs as you get older!
They have to improve the TSP system! I can see how many folks are involved, and where their investment are (in what funds). It's not right. The government workers deserve better! Much better! Hey, how about we start with a stock investment 101 course.
If your orbit continues next week, I might have to get off the ground!
This Thread is getting kind of heavy!!!
Probably start a new onein a little bit!
Rgds!
Spaf
Spaf
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Here is an off topic heads-up ALERT!
(Tom and You ALL may want a seperate forum on this one!)
A while back there was a government revention program that wound up a terrible flop!
Recently, and I don't have all the facts, another change came about called "Workforce 21". It's backed by a Presidential Letter. I don't have that either.
However, it calls for improvements in the government work places. All places I think.
Anyway the Secretary at DOL through our home page listed all the benifits (goodies) for working with the department.
Whether it's DOL or other Departments we need to be aware of what the President was putting in force for "Workforce 21"
Really, we need to investigate it, just as much as we investigate our investing strategy.
Rgds Spaf
Here is an off topic heads-up ALERT!
(Tom and You ALL may want a seperate forum on this one!)
A while back there was a government revention program that wound up a terrible flop!
Recently, and I don't have all the facts, another change came about called "Workforce 21". It's backed by a Presidential Letter. I don't have that either.
However, it calls for improvements in the government work places. All places I think.
Anyway the Secretary at DOL through our home page listed all the benifits (goodies) for working with the department.
Whether it's DOL or other Departments we need to be aware of what the President was putting in force for "Workforce 21"
Really, we need to investigate it, just as much as we investigate our investing strategy.
Rgds
Spaf
Spaf
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Here is the master link to how the government sees the workforce in the 21st Century.
21st Century Workforce Office
http://www.dol.gov/21cw/
There is a lot of information and probably changes in the wind!
Here is the master link to how the government sees the workforce in the 21st Century.
21st Century Workforce Office
http://www.dol.gov/21cw/
There is a lot of information and probably changes in the wind!
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Spaf wrote:
Take a look and let me know what you think.
Well, it looks like you found your link just as I posted this one.
Spaf wrote:
Spaf, I think this may be it > http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0605/060705d1.htmHere is an off topic heads-up ALERT!
(Tom and You ALL may want a seperate forum on this one!)
A while back there was a government revention program that wound up a terrible flop!
Recently, and I don't have all the facts, another change came about called "Workforce 21". It's backed by a Presidential Letter. I don't have that either.
However, it calls for improvements in the government work places. All places I think.
Anyway the Secretary at DOL through our home page listed all the benifits (goodies) for working with the department.
Whether it's DOL or other Departments we need to be aware of what the President was putting in force for "Workforce 21"
Really, we need to investigate it, just as much as we investigate our investing strategy. Rgds
Take a look and let me know what you think.
Well, it looks like you found your link just as I posted this one.
