F Fund

why isn't this the fund du jour for the defensive folks today? Whether we get 25 or 50 isn't that good for the F fund? To me the Fed would look like they're not consistent since they surprised on 9/18 with the 50 and then would not cut at all tomorrow... its like admitting "we can make a strong move to save the economy on 9/18 -- then whoops we acted too strongly and now dollar policy comes before recession fighting." The earnings data still pointed towards slower US growth too.
 
That probably is not enough to gain a penny-

Today the 2 year note sagged pretty badly. Not sure where things go from here- but I expect the "F" to be a better value proposition that stocks over the next couple days.
 
U.S. Treasuries Outperform S&P 500 as Investors Seek Safety



By Wes Goodman

Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Treasuries were little changed after a tumble in global stocks prompted investors to buy U.S. government debt, which has outperformed the Standard & Poor's 500 Index.

Treasuries have handed investors a 6.7 percent gain in 2007, the most since 2002, according to a Merrill Lynch & Co. index. The S&P 500 returned 5.7 percent including reinvested dividends, Bloomberg data show. The government is scheduled to sell $5 billion of 29 1/2-year bonds today.

``I'm positive on Treasuries,'' said Kei Katayama, who helps oversee $1.6 billion of dollar-denominated debt at Daiwa Securities SMBC Co. in Tokyo. ``Yields can fall a little more. Everybody's cautious about having risky assets.'' The company holds more Treasury securities than the percentage in the benchmark it uses to gauge performance, he said.

The two-year note yielded 3.53 percent as of 10:02 a.m. in Singapore, according to bond broker Cantor Fitzgerald LP. The price of the 3 5/8 percent security due October 2009 was little changed at 100 6/32. The notes had their biggest rally in almost a week yesterday as stocks tumbled.

The difference in yield between two- and 10-year Treasuries widened to the most since April 2005 yesterday as a decline in stocks and forecasts of deeper mortgage-related losses increased the appeal of government debt.

U.S. banks and brokers may face another $100 billion of writedowns on hard-to-value securities, according to Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc.

Yield Spread Widens

The gap between two- and 10-year yields widened 9 basis points to 0.76 percentage point. From no difference in June, the spread has expanded as investors speculated banks' losses on subprime mortgage-related assets may slow the economy and prompt the Fed to cut interest rates.

Traders boosted bets the Fed will reduce its target for the overnight lending rate between banks by a quarter-percentage point to 4.25 percent at its Dec. 11 meeting.

Futures traded on the Chicago Board of Trade imply 70 percent odds of a 25-basis-point reduction next month, compared with a 60 percent chance a week ago. A basis point is 0.01 percentage point.

The central bank lowered the benchmark a quarter-point to 4.5 percent on Oct. 31, after a half-point reduction in September, the first since 2003.

Wall Street's biggest firms have written down at least $40 billion as prices of mortgage-related assets plummet because of record foreclosures.

To contact the reporter on this story: Wes Goodman in Singapore at wgoodman@bloomberg.net .

Last Updated: November 7, 2007 21:08 EST

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601009&sid=avRw7yy86_W8&refer=bond
 
10 yr T yield broke out to downside ( means higher price for F fund) and target still looks like a possible 4.0 area. Some are calling for a over sold bounce in stocks this week, so the 10 yr Y short term could move back up to retest for resistence.

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The TNX 10yr Y index bounced off the resistence line I spoke about. It now is below that line and the downtrend line. CPI and jobless claims out tomorrow will effect the next move. VIX is back over 24. DWCP bounced down off 200 day MA to downside. BKX, SOXX and DJTA holding above support but bounced down off their downtrend line. IMO watch the BKX, SOXX and DJTA they will help tell you where this market is heading.

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http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=TNX

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=SOXX

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=DJTA

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=BKX
 
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Can anyone explain to me why F fund goes down 1 penny, when TNX is down 2.5 basis point? (which translates to up 1 penny, per 350Z calculation). TIA
 
Can anyone explain to me why F fund goes down 1 penny, when TNX is down 2.5 basis point? (which translates to up 1 penny, per 350Z calculation). TIA

Never mind, that quote from Yahoo was at 3 pm, I suspect as the market went up, TNX went green also, making F fund go down.
 
Yet another screw job by the TSP.....

AGG up .76%...yet F fund up .254% !

I'm getting VERY VERY tired of getting hosed because we BELIEVE (and are LED to believe) we have such a "great " thing in the TSP.

Don't even get me started on the FV BS w/ the I fund, which in it's inception was nothing more than a tool to DISCOURAGE trading the I fund!
 
Any explanation for TNX going down this much (almost 10 basis point, >-2%) when the market doesn't go down that much? TIA
 
Funny how sometimes the markets are flat and the "F dives down. Most of the time it's flat along with the Market. Economic STRESS!!!:D
 
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