Steveg's Account Talk

Steve here my <1% (2 cents). I did some back testing of the <1% strategy and posted it on SB's and my own thread on 1/16. It may answer some of your questions on strategy. In my mind the goal for any <1% strategy is to make enough to beat the G fund. SB/Nasa, I think a <1% thread is a awesome idea. :)

Here's what was in the post:

I ran several 2 week scenarios for performing <1% IFTs from different periods throughout the year and the following are my findings. Most of this has already been posted by SB on his page. All my calcs were done using C fund data for stock trends.

Disclaimer: Remember folks I picked the periods from past history so the market did what I wanted. I am not a financial consultant or broker or any other financial professional. These are my interpretations of the results provided to you should you decide to experiment at your own risk!!


Downward trend market: I used initial allocations of 50% C, 15%C and 5%C. In all 3 senarios I performed <1% IFTs on down days to maintain allocation percentage which DCAs increasing shares. Up days no IFT was performed. The goal was to attempt to dollar cost average intial purchase price to break even sooner on the rebound.

The 50% and 15% scenarios did not reduce dollar cost significantly to warrant the moves. If you are expecting the market to go down G or F ruled in the past year. The 5% scenario did reduce the DCA significantly but I can’t come up with a real chain of events to make it useful. Going to G makes more sense to me.

I also ran some scenarios selling profits back to G on up days back to the initial contribution. While it did reduce to loss amount it was not significant enough to warrant staying in stocks. JMO folks.

Bottom line <1% IFTs into stocks is not real useful during a downward trend market.

<1% IFTs into F fund was 70% positive results. So in the future of this bear market, my first IFT of the month is going to have a 5 percent into F. What worked best was a combination. Down days IFT back to the previous percentage . Up days hold and the following day go up to the next percentage. Last day of the month sell back down to the original percentage or all so you pocket the profits in G. Lady has already had some success in this area but I’m not sure what her strategy was.

Upward trend market:

I used similar strategy as with the F fund. Accumulating shares on down days and moving up percentage following up days which also accululates shares. You would only use this if you found yourself in a rally period and no IFTs left. If you are stuck, <1% IFTs can help you beat the G fund. My scenarios beat G about 60% of the time and F about 40% with 5% in C. Any less than that and the dollar value for % change wasn't enough to beat G consistently. That being said I was running these models using past performance so I knew the numbers would go up. In real life you will have to risk a downtrend and possible loss.
 
Everyone --

Thanks for this insight on the <1% thing. If squalebear or nasa start a thread, I'll enjoy reading it.

So you can do these "less than 1% moves" indefinitely, there are no limits to how many times you can do this in a month?

Steve
 
Everyone --

Thanks for this insight on the <1% thing. If squalebear or nasa start a thread, I'll enjoy reading it.

So you can do these "less than 1% moves" indefinitely, there are no limits to how many times you can do this in a month?

Steve
One a day to round up or down. I think they might have left the ability to allow rebalancing or it is just a weakenss in the computer program. Either way .01 to .99 rounding to the next whole number. You can use it to make a little more than G and it could add up over the course of a year.
 
everyone --

thanks for this insight on the <1% thing. If squalebear or nasa start a thread, i'll enjoy reading it.

So you can do these "less than 1% moves" indefinitely, there are no limits to how many times you can do this in a month?

Steve

the thread was created. Its entitled:

"<1%ift option"
 
squalebear --

Yes. Thanks SO much! I'm following the thread, and the posts have been VERY informative...

Steve
 
Steve,
Do you think the Rally has fizzled out and we're finally resuming the downward trend and possibly heading towards a new low??

Or do you think the BEAR is just messing with our minds and playing with our emotions - and for the next few weeks we'll have a lot of Volitility - so no one knows what to expect?

Bottomline - where do you see things in 2 or 3 months??
 
This is Steve incognito answering - at the end of May the Dow will be above 9015.10 and the DJTA will be above 3717.26 and will be the first Dow Theory "buy signal" of the new millennium. The Kress 6-year cycle will be cranking like a '67 Jaguar with all 12 cylinders in harmony.
 
Birch --

Ha, ha, ha! Good try, though if you want to impersonate me, you have to sound much less "technical" (I'm not that knowledgeable on such things), and less bullish! :)

Steady --

My take is that the rally has fizzled. Financials were down today; seems to be due to the fact that the govt. is going to hit the bonuses paid to employees -- which is not good news for financial stocks. I am not passing judgement on that "taxing" of the bonuses, I haven't thought through my feelings on that yet. I am just saying that it is not good news for investing in the financial sector. Obviously, the financials are what led us higher in this rally; this "cold water" on financial stocks by this govt. action will likely result in the end of the rally. That's my guess.

Bigger picture, I am simply astonished that the geniuses in charge have decided that a wise action to help with our market/economy problems is to PRINT A TRILLON DOLLARS, and then BUY THEIR OWN DEBT, along with a pile of those likely-toxic mortgage-backed securities. This idea -- which seems just absolutely LUDICROUS if you employ some simple logic -- seems to be responsible for the sharp drop in the value of the dollar (and the related, subsequent run-up in oil prices since yesterday). This run-up in oil prices should be just a drop in the bucket, from the perspective of "fallout" from this seemingly insane policy decision. My simple mind cannot fathom any way that printing trillions of dollars out of thin air can solve our economic problems-- which I see as being fundamentally about over-leverage/debt. Too much consumer debt, too much financial sector leverage, too much government debt...debt debt debt. The only way such a debt imbalance is fixed is through a contraction/recession -- that's what the market does to fix itself. The government monkeying with this natural rhythm of the markets only serves to delay the inevitable, and make it WORSE once it finally DOES happen -- and it WILL. You can't "game" the system -- too much debt/leverage HAS TO BE SHAKEN OUT OF THE SYSTEM, and there HAS TO BE SOME PAIN involved -- i.e. bankrupcy, business failings, etc. Instead, however, what has been our monetary policy over the past several years? To EASE monetary policy (the Fed lowering lending rates) to "stave off recession" (not to mention the idiotic "bailouts" to delay the very bankrupcies that in fact HAVE TO HAPPEN in order for the problems to be solved). The Fed lowering rates does what? It makes loans EASIER TO GET. THAT is the OPPOSITE of what you would want do, when the problem is TOO MUCH DEBT in the FIRST place. "Staving off" a recession, by encouraging more debt into a debt-choked economy, just "kicks the can down the road," but it doesn't FIX it -- in fact, it does the opposite in the long run, it EXACERBATES the problem. Similarly, printing more money out of thin air ALSO won't solve it, but instead will result in massive inflation/devaluing of the dollar, and this seems most obvious to me. You HAVE to LET THE SYSTEM take care of the problem. In other words, exactly the opposite of what we are doing! I am NOT a financial expert, but do you HAVE to be one to see how seemingly INSANE these government "solutions" are?

SO, bottom line, I see the actions of the government lately as very destructive/damaging to the economy. Though there may be short-term "euphoria," and some appearance that the "stimulus" actions are "working" -- perhaps even allowing us a nice rally, eventually the piper will HAVE to be paid. Bottom line? I think it's gonna get REAL ugly. Will that happen in 2-3 months time? Not sure, but I believe that it WILL happen. The over-leverage problems, in both the financial sector (for example, the very risky derivatives and expanded leverage ratios which now exist), as well as in the consumer sector, WILL be shaken out, violently, at some point. And the longer we wait, the more violent it will be, I believe. We can't spend our way out of a debt problem. The sooner the geniuses running our system figure that out, the better we will be.

That's my take. Sorry for the long-windedness, Steadygain!

Steve

Oh, one more thing, if you'll allow me. I think a problem with Birch's approach is that he is using "technical analysis" to say "hisorically, when x happens, y will follow, so that's what's going to happen." The problem with that is, the market/economy is NOT a scientific system, governed by physical laws. It's not like "if I drop an apple, gravity will force it to hit the ground." The problem with all this "analysis" is, to me, that it seems to assume that the markets are a physical, predictable system, governed by fixed "laws." It is NOT. I think one has to really look at the fact that what the government is doing right now is UNPRECEDENTED. We seem to have gotten this silly idea, after seeing what happened in the Great Depression, that we now have some ability to stave off a depression through manipulating the system. I do not believe that. The unprecedented actions our government is now taking (billions in bailouts, trillions in currency printing, etc. etc. etc.) throws a HUGE monkey-wrench into the system, in my opinion, from a "forecasting the market" perspective. Since such actions, and such debt levels, HAVE NEVER BEEN A PART OF OUR ECONOMY BEFORE, then why should we assume that we can look to the past, and "analysis" of past bear markets/recessions/depressions, to get ANY sort of idea as to what will occur this time around? See my point? We are playing in a different ballgame now, different set of rules, so I don't think past ballgames are necessarily a good thing to use as a predictor of this one...
 
Steve, I agree with you. Except for the "unprecedented" part. Everything the gov is doing has been done before. It didn't work then either.....:suspicious:
 
justbiz --

I guess by "unprecedented," I was referring to "degree." In other words, this printing of 1.2 trillion dollars, or whatever it was, is a HUGE amount. I guess I do need to be careful with that word :embarrest:, though, as I am no student as to the actions of govt. with respect to the economy in the distant past...

Steve
 
justbiz --

I guess by "unprecedented," I was referring to "degree." In other words, this printing of 1.2 trillion dollars, or whatever it was, is a HUGE amount. I guess I do need to be careful with that word :embarrest:, though, as I am no student as to the actions of govt. with respect to the economy in the distant past...

Steve

Wasn't really directed to you, it really irrates me to see the gov do the same things over and over like it will work this time.... A lot of people smarter than me point it out, I just read it. This latest trick of the Fed buying from Treasury was used to finance WWII. I read that on the MB today. I wish I could remember who posted it so I could give them credit.
 
I agree with WorkFe, you sound like a pretty smart guy.:rolleyes:

" I wish I could remember who posted it so I could give them credit."

Kenny1880 did the post on CP's thread.
 
I agree with WorkFe, you sound like a pretty smart guy.:rolleyes:

" I wish I could remember who posted it so I could give them credit."

Kenny1880 did the post on CP's thread.

Steve is a smart guy...and very thorough. He does not speak of things he does not understand, but rather, takes the time to figure things out until he does understand, and then he is able to speak with authority. :)
 
Thanks for the kind words, workFE and justbiz! I don't really know alot about this stuff, it just seems to me that if the government used a bit of common sense, we'd all be better off! :)

Yeah, justbiz, I read that earlier on CP's thread as well. 'Twas interesting...

Steve
 
Hey CP --

Thank you for the kind words as well. On the other hand, if I knew half as much as you do about this stuff, I'd be a genius!!:)

Steve
 
The only way such a debt imbalance is fixed is through a contraction/recession -- that's what the market does to fix itself. The government monkeying with this natural rhythm of the markets only serves to delay the inevitable, and make it WORSE once it finally DOES happen -- and it WILL. You can't "game" the system -- too much debt/leverage HAS TO BE SHAKEN OUT OF THE SYSTEM, and there HAS TO BE SOME PAIN involved -- i.e. bankrupcy, business failings, etc.

SO, bottom line, I see the actions of the government lately as very destructive/damaging to the economy.
Steve thank you so much !!

I have said this very thing over the past few years and you did a GREAT JOB with the details.

I'm typically Long Winded :) so I appreciate it.


Oh, one more thing, if you'll allow me. I think a problem with Birch's approach is that he is using "technical analysis" to say "hisorically, when x happens, y will follow, so that's what's going to happen."...

I think you nailed it right on the head - but it's kind of a secret all of us share. When the Markets are doing well no one gets more attention than Birch - it's like He is the Bull and all of us are cheering him on. We're NOT going to change him - so we just love him for who he is BECAUSE he really is pretty smart and loaded with a ton of knowledge. I'm writting this next line in invisible ink - that only you can see. Take him with 'a grain of salt' and always expect him to encourage everyone to buy in High Risk - and always project that we are either in a BULL Market or ready to start one. So it's better to dismiss the details and look at the underlying message as often they are right on target.


Have a great day and thanks again for such a great response :D:D
 
Being wrong comes with the franchise of an activity whose outcome depends on an unknown future. I find it's best to remain cool and collected regarding this market. What kind of temperment is needed to be a good investor? Tenacity is vital. So is patience. And so, too, is an ability to keep a sane perspective. Historically, periods in which bears dominate (as measured by a five-week moving average of bulls minus bears) have been preludes to important rallies.
 
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