Steveg's Account Talk

I try to ignore Karl - he's way to bearish for me. From a truly contrarian standpoint a reliable measure of the market's strength or weakness can be found in the % of NYSE stocks trading above their 200-day averages. A reading above 60% is normally needed to signal a new bull market. The trend during 2008-2009 is still a very low 4%. That means that 96% of NYSE stocks are trading below their 200-day lines, and it doesn't show any sign of turning higher. This is just the investing environment when the old bull will give birth to the new bull. Stocks are massively undervalued here and I think they are as oversold now as they were at the very depth of the Great Depression in 1932. You simply have to remain disciplined - so dollar cost your way into as much pain as you can tolerate. Sooner or later and probably sooner now, stock prices will follow those businesses that continue to improve fundamentally. I hate to use the term parabolic because every time I do it never works but one of these times....thanks for allowing my rant.
 
Birch --

I can't "ignore" him; he has been somewhat accurate and some of the stuff he says really makes sense. That doesn't mean I don't think he's extremely bearish, but I still consider him a "worst case scenario!" ;)

But, I was not following what you were saying when you mentioned the 60% of NYSE above the 200-day moving average signalling a bull, but then saying that since 96% of the NYSE is below the 200-day moving average, that "This is just the investing environment when the old bull will give birth to the new bull." If 60% above the 200 line signals bull, then how can 4% above the 200 line be signalling the "birth of the new bull?" I must not be following...

Steve
 
It takes time to get back to the 200 day moving average - but the time element is getting shorter with the steep panic sell off we've had over the last 6 months. That down sloping line is going to be much easier to reach when buying starts to kick. We should pop rather quickly to reach the 60% level once again and signal a new stampeding bull market.
 
OK, Birch. Now I understand what you meant. Still...I wish I was as confident as you are in that scenario...

I think our chances of a major rally -- i.e. up to 1000 or so, are about as good as our chances of a complete crash -- down to a couple hundred S&P. Guess that explains why my current allocation is 50/50 C/G...!!

Steve
 
Guess I'm not the only one who thinks our current President's grand plan is to smuggle radical socialism into our country via the "trojan horse" of our current economic crisis.

Charles Krauthammer says the same thing...

from his article at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/a_dishonest_gimmicky_budget.html

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," said Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. "This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before."

Things. Now we know what they are. The markets' recent precipitous decline is a reaction not just to the absence of any plausible bank rescue plan, but also to the suspicion that Obama sees the continuing financial crisis as usefully creating the psychological conditions -- the sense of crisis bordering on fear-itself panic -- for enacting his "Big Bang" agenda to federalize and/or socialize health care, education and energy, the commanding heights of post-industrial society.

Clever politics, but intellectually dishonest to the core. Health, education and energy -- worthy and weighty as they may be -- are not the cause of our financial collapse. And they are not the cure. The fraudulent claim that they are both cause and cure is the rhetorical device by which an ambitious president intends to enact the most radical agenda of social transformation seen in our lifetime.

This is precisely why I made the following quote a few posts ago...

"I think things are fundamentally changing right now, in a way that none of us can quite imagine. I HOPE, for the love of our country, that I am wrong..."

Steve
 
Guess I'm not the only one who thinks our current President's grand plan is to smuggle radical socialism into our country via the "trojan horse" of "economic crisis."

Charles Krauthammer says the same thing...

Hi Steve,
Thanks for posting the article... and you are definately not the only one that thinks that. Not real sure on what if anything can be done...I would hate to see riots but who knows. I think the tea parties are a good start and we just need to keep protesting. Now is not the time to hide your head in the sand....as tempting as that sounds.

:)
 
I'm not real sure what, if anything, can be done either. It's to the point that I'm getting so cynical, that I think we the people -- the voters -- no longer really have the abililty to put someone in office who could actually make a difference for our country. The whole system seems to have become corrupt, to me. I just hope enough Americans are left that realize that our "great experiment" -- which resulted in our great country -- is at risk of being systematically disassembled and re-created as some European-type socialist society. Our President's view of America is most certainly NOT the "land of the free and home of the brave" that our parents and grandparents grew up in. I think, instead, we are headed toward a bankrupt nation being converted into "the land of entitlements and the home of the mediocre..."

I agree, wv-girl, the tea parties are a GREAT idea. We have a history of rebelling against and onerous tax burden being imposed upon us...maybe it's time we do that again!

Steve
 
I'm not real sure what, if anything, can be done either. It's to the point that I'm getting so cynical, that I think we the people -- the voters -- no longer really have the abililty to put someone in office who could actually make a difference for our country. The whole system seems to have become corrupt, to me. I just hope enough Americans are left that realize that our "great experiment" -- which resulted in our great country -- is at risk of being systematically disassembled and re-created as some European-type socialist society. Our President's view of America is most certainly NOT the "land of the free and home of the brave" that our parents and grandparents grew up in. I think, instead, we are headed toward a bankrupt nation being converted into "the land of entitlements and the home of the mediocre..."

I agree, wv-girl, the tea parties are a GREAT idea. We have a history of rebelling against and onerous tax burden being imposed upon us...maybe it's time we do that again!

Steve

A positive point is that it is waking up a lot of people to reality. Getting punched in the nose or kicked in the balz tends to do that. It makes people angry too.
 
mojo -- good point, I just hope you are right. Seems to me like many of the Obamaniacs remain completely blind to what is right before their eyes. Either that, or they are actually kind of fond of the idea of the Europe-ification of America. I'm not sure...!

I'm just busy trying to figure out what the implications of all of this are for investing purposes...

Steve
 
mojo -- good point, I just hope you are right. Seems to me like many of the Obamaniacs remain completely blind to what is right before their eyes. Either that, or they are actually kind of fond of the idea of the Europe-ification of America. I'm not sure...!

I'm just busy trying to figure out what the implications of all of this are for investing purposes...

Steve

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
 
Oh, my word, MOJO.

I am simply...disturbed.

What in the WORLD is that?? Those quotations along the right side of that page. What is WRONG with people??

Steve
 
OK mojo. I've read some more of that page.

I'm downright frightened...disturbed is not a strong enough word! :eek: :blink:

Steve
 
Market down a little again today. I'm sitting at 50% C/50%G -- 33% bought into C at 789 S&P and the other 17% in at 682.

The question now is -- what's my next move? I still don't see any good reason for any sort of a rally, though what do I know. Overall, though, I still believe strongly that we haven't seen the bottom, and thus a rally to 800-820 S&P, and I'd be thinking "sell." I don't really think we'll get there, though. SO, assuming we don't get there, the question becomes, when do I push some more into C? I think low 600s would be worth another 20% or so in -- to go roughly 70%C, 30% G. My target for 100% C is 550. If we hit that, I think I'd most likely go all in. I would THINK that at that point, I would feel confident that the down-side risk would be small enough, compared to the upside potential, that I'd be OK with it (even if we were to fall from there into the 400s or something). I can't really imagine us going lower than about 400 or so (though I know there are some that feel we will). From 550, 410 is 25% down -- so for me I'd estimate the maximum downside risk from 550 would be about 25%. Meanwhile, 25% up from 550 would be the 680s -- very close to current levels, and well below the prior resistance at the Nov. low (741). Point being, I think at 550 I'd feel more confident in a 25% rally than I would an additional 25% loss -- so I think that's roughly my "all in" point.

The only thing left to figure out is what happens if I'm totally, completely wrong in my assessment, and we are actually at (or near) a bottom now. I would guess the chance that I'm wrong -- that we are actually near a bottom and ready to begin an up trend, is maybe 20%. But, let's assume that this is actually the case. I'm 50% in C now; if we for some reason started to rally -- a REAL rally, not a small bear rally, then the question becomes, when do I "cut my losses" and get that other 50% out of G and into C? That's a harder question for me, because given my current bias, I'm obviously going to have the tendency to view any rally as simply a "bear rally," and thus would be thinking "sell" after rallying a bit. Obviously, if I am incorrect, and we were to somehow actually begin a bull rally, I certainly don't want to miss TOO much "up" movement with the other 50% of my money which is currently out of the market, in G -- I need to figure out a "cut my losses" plan. Anyone have any good suggestions as to how to sniff out a "bull" rally, while it is occurring, when what one is actually expecting is a "bear" rally -- followed by another, lower bottom?

Steve
 
For all we know yesterday could have been the bottom - no one rings a bell. I'd go for the Moxie right now and lean on my payroll contributions to redeem any mistake - let the DCA acquire more shares while you wait. Don't look at your net worth - it's irrelevant at your age and these prices and their potential for outperformance gains should be cause for celebration. The move up when the time is right will not wait for stragglers. Come feel the wonders of pain and rejoice - this is your generational opportunity even if you may not realize it at this point.
 
Birch --

I do hear you, and I understand, I think, where you are coming from. Like I've indicated before though -- my biggest concern right now is NOT the market being down. My attitude on THAT is, these things happen. Instead, my real concern is my belief in where our country is headed FOUNDATIONALLY. If this were 1929-31 or something, I like to think that I would have said "man, this stinks, it's awful, but I KNOW our country will rebound -- we are, after all, the "great experiment"; we are AMERICANS, and we WILL recover."

However, I am so concerned with the current administration, and what I believe to be their viewpoint of where we need to go as a country, that I am SCARED! I am scared for the future of this great nation; I'm scared for the existence of our capitalist economy; I truly believe that the America we have always known is ending, and a "new America" is in our future. And I don't like the looks of this "new America," nor do I trust in the growth potential in the "new America." THIS is why I think looking to history, and what has happened at the end of prior recessions/depressions, while often a good thing to do, is useless in this case.

Let me make an analogy -- let's say that you have owned a car for many years, you've maintained it well, and it's a good car. In your experience over the life of this car, you've had times when the car was "down," i.e. you had to spend some money on repairs. However, you always knew that after spending a couple hundred bucks to repair/replace some parts, that your good 'ol car would be back to its old self, good as new. Well, let's say that today you started having some car trouble, and so you had it towed in to the shop. You really aren't too worried. You are sure, based on the past and your knowledge of your car, that a few hundred bucks and you'll be back on track again. Well, what if, unbeknowst to you, one of your enemies drained the engine of oil, and drained your transmission of fluid -- and then at the same time disabled your "check engine" light and your car's temperature gauge. The mechanic calls you to tell you this, and now the worst news -- not only will it cost you more than the car is worth to fix it, but they no longer make an engine OR transmission anymore that will work well with your car -- you'll need to get an engine with 1/2 the horsepower, gets 1/2 the gas mileage, and get a transmission with 1/2 the gears. In other words, you are going to spend more than the car is worth to fix it, and once you do, you will have a car that goes 1/2 the speed, for twice the amount of gas. In other words, IT'S NO LONGER THE SAME CAR, and all along, you were mistakenly thinking that a just a couple hundred bucks and everything would be back to normal.

This is what I feel certain about, regarding our country. Yeah, we'll get it "fixed" at some point. But given the current administration, it will never, ever be the same country again (and I DON'T mean different in a better way!)

THIS is why I am pessimistic about using history as an indicator about what the "market performance graphs" are going to look like coming out of this bottom. You hear people talking about "V-shaped bottoms" and "fast down=fast up," well -- if you change fundamentally our whole country, and its economic system, I think that ALL goes out the window. I instead envision the market trace -- from fall 2008 going 10 to 15 years forward -- to look like a "check mark"; i.e. a very sharp down, and then a very subtle, gradual, slow up-trend.

Just my two cents worth. I know it sounds pessimistic and gloomy, but I think that's what will result from our "historic" election (which resulted in, IMO, the most left-leaning government in our history -- with no checks and balances in place to stop the implementation of a very radical vision for our future).

What's the good news? Well, if you believe in God, and you are right with Him, you have a much better future waiting for you once your time you've been alotted on this planet has been spent! And in alot of ways, that puts all this money stuff into its proper perspective, doesn't it?

OK, enough religious talk. I'm sure many of you won't appreciate that, so I'll get back on topic. Birch -- I don't think our long-term prospects for a return to sustained, robust growth are very good. That's all. You know the famous adage "past performance does not guarantee future results?" I think that saying was TAILOR MADE for the U.S. of A. in the 21st Century!

Steve
 
No Steve, I think you SHOULD bring religion into it. After all, look at the intraday low on the S&P so far for this bear market:

666

No joke! If that intraday low holds, I wonder if that means we should sell any rally? Man, if that is not a sign of the bottom (or the end) :worried: , I don't know what is! :laugh:
 
Steve,

Capitalism without failure is like religion without hell. There are going to be some special elections this year and the possibility that a number of Democrats get the boot is open at this point. That would send a message and slow our communist leader down. A few more candidates in the GOP would provide a counterbalance and some of his programs will end up null and void. I'm optimistic that Obama will be held in check.
 
No Steve, I think you SHOULD bring religion into it. After all, look at the intraday low on the S&P so far for this bear market:

666

No joke! If that intraday low holds, I wonder if that means we should sell any rally? Man, if that is not a sign of the bottom (or the end) :worried: , I don't know what is! :laugh:

NUMEROLOGIST ! :nuts:
 
Birchtree --

Though I don't quite share your optimism that our current socialist administration will be "held in check," I sure do hope you are correct. By the way, what were you referring to when you metioned "special elections?"

Steve
 
Well...

I find myself in an interesting spot. I'm 50 C 50 G, with one move left this month. My highest C-fund purchase, of that 50%, was at 789 S&P. If we can reach 800-810, I'd be thinking "sell," as I THINK we have some more downward days ahead. However, if I sell and lock in profits, I'm then stuck in G the rest of March.

My options are:

1. Spend my last move as a buy into C (and hope for a bit more of a rise and then shift into G for the rest of the month);

2. Spend my last move as a sell, assuming we can reach 800 or so, and then spend the rest of the month in G;

3. Do nothing right now...

Right now, I'm thinking about locking in some profits and being content to sit in G the rest of March. So, I think (unless someone can persuade me otherwise with some sound reasoning) I'll be looking for us to cross the 800 mark, and then sell...

A couple of things which suggest to me (again, I'm quite an amateur at this) that this rally might be short-lived:

1. Gold was up today -- seems bearish to me;
2. Treasury bonds were up today -- again, seems bearish.

Am I reading this wrong, or does this possibly imply that this might be a short-lived rally?

Steve
 
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