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Source: OPEC Won't Cut Until $37 Mark
Friday February 4, 4:15 pm ET
By Brad Foss, AP Business Writer
OPEC Won't Cut Output Unless Crude Prices Fall to About $37 a Barrel, Source Says

Crude oil futures would need to fall to about $37 a barrel before OPEC decides to cut production, according to a person familiar with the thinking of the cartel's top officials.
That would set OPEC's next trigger price a few dollars below the level its president had recently suggested.

Last week, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries decided not to rein in production, as the price of light, sweet crude oil futures hovered near $47 a barrel. But the Vienna-based cartel left open the possibility of an output cut before its mid-March meeting. What remains to be seen is how far prices would have to fall before OPEC takes action.

At an informal meeting last week in Davos, Switzerland, where global financial leaders met for the annual World Economic Forum, several OPEC representatives signaled that the cartel would not reduce its official output unless prices fell by roughly $10 a barrel from levels at the time, according to a source who attended the meeting, speaking only on condition of anonymity.

"That's my reading," the source said.

Light sweet crude for March delivery rose 3 cents to $46.50 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Brent crude rose 4 cents to $43.89 on the International Petroleum Exchange. Oil prices are roughly 40 percent higher than a year ago.

Those who participated in the informal meeting in Davos included: Sheik Ahmad Fahd al-Ahmad al-Sabah, Kuwait's oil minister and the OPEC president; Ali Naimi, the Saudi Oil Minister; Adnan Shihab-Eldin, OPEC's acting secretary general; Fatih Birol, chief economist of the International Energy Agency and Daniel Yergin, chairman of Cambridge Energy Research Associates.

Al-Sabah had told reporters at last week's OPEC meeting that he considered $35 a barrel to be a "suitable price" for OPEC's basket of crudes, which are trading roughly $6 lower than Nymex oil futures. OPEC suspended its official $22 to $28 a barrel price band on Jan. 30.

Commenting on the likelihood of prices dipping to around $37 a barrel, John Lichtblau, chairman of the New York-based Petroleum Industry Research Foundation, said Friday that "anything's possible in this market, it's a very volatile market, but at the moment there is no indication that prices will go down to that level before March 16," the date of the next OPEC meeting.

Oil demand is rising along with the global economy, "but there aren't any new supplies coming on that would drive prices down," Lichtblau said. "I think OPEC is surprised at how high the price is."

Other factors that have contributed to higher prices in the past year include fears of terror attacks on oil facilities in the Middle East, the war in Iraq, labor unrest in Nigeria and sporadic production outages in the North Sea and Gulf of Mexico.

After a production cut of 1 million barrels a day went into effect in January, OPEC's official quota stands at 27 million barrels a day. But the 10 members of the group subject to the quota -- Iraq is not bound by a limit -- are believed to be overproducing by about 500,000 barrels a day in order to take advantage of the high prices.

Peter Beutel, president of Cameron Hanover Inc., said in a research note Friday that "it is generally assumed that there is a price level at which OPEC ministers will make frantic calls to one another to cut oil production. The market just is not certain at what price that will occur."

He added: "Our estimate is that OPEC's hawks will start chirping around $43 a barrel. If prices get to $39 a barrel, we would expect an output cut."

Tom Bentz, a broker at BNP Paribas Commodity Futures in New York, said the fact that OPEC has made clear its willingness to prevent prices from falling too far is keeping upward pressure on oil futures.

"Traders are still a bit skittish about being short under $46," Bentz said. Being "short" refers to making a bet that prices will fall.

In other Nymex trading on Friday, March heating oil futures fell less than a penny to $1.2742 per gallon, gasoline futures slid less than a penny to $1.2605 and natural gas futures declined by 5.3 cents to $6.096 per 1,000 cubic feet.
 
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REUTERS Insider buying slumps in January-Thomson Financial [DWJWNDH]

NEW YORK, Feb 4 (Reuters) - The amount of shares U.S.
executives bought in their own companies slumped in January to
one of the lowest volumes in about a decade, a report on Friday
said.

January insider purchasing totaled just $35 million,
roughly one-third of December's $95 million volume, according
to publisher Thomson Financial.

It said this was one of the lowest monthly buy volumes it had
seen since it began tracking insider data in the early-1990s.

Thomson said the extremely anemic buy activity saw just 4
million shares purchased by 532 executives.

"We expected a month-over-month decline of some sort in
keeping with the seasonal trend in each of the past ten years.
However, the magnitude of the decline in buying was
unexpected," Thomson said in its report.

Technology was the sole sector with an upturn in buying
during January, with executives buying $9 million worth of
their own companies. stocks -- double December's volume, but
still well below historic levels.

Meanwhile, January insider selling totaled $1.9 billion.

That was the second lowest monthly level of insider selling
in the past two years and compares to December's $4.1 billion
volume. said Thomson.
 
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Tekno...you know what is funny? You two or three posts ago were bashing me because I am bearish...yet you posts things that I have been saying for months...high oil will be a drag on the economy and P/Es and fed data are based on 25 not 45 dollar oil...I have been screaming out IF THE INSIDERS ARE BAILING...WHY ARE YOU BUYING....this is like 2000 again...the insiders are on tv/Ceo/coos, etc...everything is great...all is well then a couple days later you see that they sold 1M shares the say day they are on tv saying how great everything is.

Interesting...if you are such a bull why are you not saying GDP growth under inflation is great for stocks....
 
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teknobucks wrote:
REUTERS Insider buying slumps in January-Thomson Financial [DWJWNDH]

NEW YORK, Feb 4 (Reuters) - The amount of shares U.S.
executives bought in their own companies slumped in January to
one of the lowest volumes in about a decade
, a report on Friday
said.

January insider purchasing totaled just $35 million,
roughly one-third of December's $95 million volume, according
to publisher Thomson Financial.

It said this was one of the lowest monthly buy volumes it had
seen since it began tracking insider data in the early-1990s.

Thomson said the extremely anemic buy activity saw just 4
million shares purchased by 532 executives.

"We expected a month-over-month decline of some sort in
keeping with the seasonal trend in each of the past ten years.
However, the magnitude of the decline in buying was
unexpected," Thomson said in its report.

Technology was the sole sector with an upturn in buying
during January, with executives buying $9 million worth of
their own companies. stocks -- double December's volume, but
still well below historic levels.

Meanwhile, January insider selling totaled $1.9 billion.

That was the second lowest monthly level of insider selling
in the past two years and compares to December's $4.1 billion
volume. said Thomson.
Second lowest was January 2000............hmmm....what happened after that????
 
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coolhand wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/markets/afterhours/

Did you see these futures? :shock:Wonder if they will hold for Monday? :)
Ya what is the deal there? I bought some future contracts now on the short side...so if they gone down...that is good for old MT.

It appears it could be the OK now the rally has started and I do not want to miss it crowd...a lot of new money came into the market today...

Who of think if the job report came in 60K light that would cause a rally...light job actually horrible since new job growth did not even keep pass with the new workers coming in the work force...light job report means the economy is not growing...

Yeah that is good...
 
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MarketTimer wrote:
Tekno...you know what is funny? You two or three posts ago were bashing me because I am bearish...yet you posts things that I have been saying for months...high oil will be a drag on the economy and P/Es and fed data are based on 25 not 45 dollar oil...I have been screaming out IF THE INSIDERS ARE BAILING...WHY ARE YOU BUYING....this is like 2000 again...the insiders are on tv/Ceo/coos, etc...everything is great...all is well then a couple days later you see that they sold 1M shares the say day they are on tv saying how great everything is.

Interesting...if you are such a bull why are you not saying GDP growth under inflation is great for stocks....
Tekno,

Since you are my number #3 basher and I enjoy your posts because I can tell you are a wise man...I would like for you to address my post if you would, Sir.

My issue you are bashing me on things I have been saying...however you are postings articles that are making my point. Interesting enough...the insider selling thing I have been jumping up and down for six weeks and the article was a couple days ago :^...

Thank you!

MT
 
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I don't understand why you are so passionate about how screwed up the economy is MT? It isn't as though most of us here on this board don't understand that ourselves. It's so screwed up right now it's scary!

So tell me, should we be sitting in the "G" fund for the next several years? It isn't as though the indexes are going to come crashing down on our heads within a day or two. :shock:(i hope)

FWIW, I have gone to cash on much of my mutuals a couple of weeks ago as we are in a rising interest rate environment. There is too much risk in my view to stay planted in equities at the moment. Since I cannot predict exactly when things will turn I decided togo to cashandwait forthe right moment to reinvest.

A hedge fund manager I am not. Nor am I an experienced investor. But I do understand where you are coming from and certainly agree with much of what you are saying. At present I have hedged 35% in the "G" fund as I am too uncomfortable with this market to trust it.

We do not have the flexibility that you have. What is your current allocation in the TSP and how are you going to play it in the short term?
 
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i'm not a basher:X

i'm just trying 2 be a blasher:)

http://www.blashing.com



seriously some of your posts i agree with andmost i do not / or do not understand. i feel that the markets areinfluenced by a multitude of factors, all well beyond our means to control. for one to be able to sense thecadence of the cycles thru any means available including this BBS is an invaluable asset.

to buy into a belief that the markets aredoomed is in my opinion somewhere in the lunatic fringe of economic thought.in the TSP wecan not sell short, place market orders, buy puts/calls, or trade in a timely manner. we are always a day late...and that really suks! now when you tell these folks of stock operations jesse livermore would of been proud of, it makes me think you have got to be a fish way way out of the water.(why you wish to engage any of us befuddles me...WHAT IS YOUR OBJECTIVE???)

i find it interesting to have a community of fellow TSP'ers todiscuss trading practices with, that's it (NET NET NET)....no hidden agenda here.

tekno



 
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The best thing you can do is diversify like crazy... always have your money working in different directions. You might not come out way ahead in the end, but it'll help you guard against downturns.
 
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teknobucks wrote:
yes sir...made trade as posted.;)

sold into more green than i expected...oh well!

that darn MT guy scared me...THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!....LMAO:D

looks like we will test the MA's to the upside now.
LOL!:D It happens to the best of us, brother!:dude:

Hey MT, I gotta new nickname for ya... How's Chicken Little sound???:cool:

Kidd'n as usual... you know I love ya!:^
 
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Mike wrote:
The best thing you can do is diversify like crazy... always have your money working in different directions. You might not come out way ahead in the end, but it'll help you guard against downturns.
Thanks Mike. :^

BTW, I'm not all cashed out. Still have some small, mid and large cap mutuals, not to mention the TSP.

Good advice.
 
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coolhand wrote:
I don't understand why you are so passionate about how screwed up the economy is MT? It isn't as though most of us here on this board don't understand that ourselves. It's so screwed up right now it's scary!
The bull index is nearly 70%...if you go out and talk to people like I do...most are still fully invested and expect the market to go up 12% "like the experts think" Wonder Woman posted a couple days ago. They make their investments decisions around Xmas time and everyone was screaming bullish...and just hold and forgot...the people on this board are extremely savy and a head of the game...most people do not understand the effects of the falling dollar, what the heck GDP is? Etc, etc.

I am glad some of you stepped aside today...capital preservation is the key...a lot of folks (as you can tell by the future markets) will get sucked in today because they do not want to miss the next rally. This happened in Feb 2000...the market topped March 2000...I believe we all ready have seen the market top all ready this year...it should be a interesting week next week...trade balance report coming out next Thursday...the stronger dollar will not be helpful to that report...do not be caught by surprise.

I wish you all the best. Take care.
MT
 
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coolhand wrote:
I don't understand why you are so passionate about how screwed up the economy is MT? It isn't as though most of us here on this board don't understand that ourselves. It's so screwed up right now it's scary!
The bull index is nearly 70%...if you go out and talk to people like I do...most are still fully invested and expect the market to go up 12% "like the experts think" Wonder Woman posted a couple days ago. They make their investments decisions around Xmas time and everyone was screaming bullish...and just hold and forgot...the people on this board are extremely savy and a head of the game...most people do not understand the effects of the falling dollar, what the heck GDP is? Etc, etc.

I am glad some of you stepped aside today...capital preservation is the key...a lot of folks (as you can tell by the future markets) will get sucked in today because they do not want to miss the next rally. This happened in Feb 2000...the market topped March 2000...I believe we all ready have seen the market top all ready this year...it should be a interesting week next week...trade balance report coming out next Thursday...the stronger dollar will not be helpful to that report...do not be caught by surprise.

I wish you all the best. Take care.
MT
 
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MarketTimer wrote:
Should be I Fund/Japan...

I believe Australia does not even make up 1%...to bad...great market....I was up 28% there last year :^...I love the Oz dollar....and Oz coins....

Good luck out there!

MT
MT
I posted that I had some I Fund and some Australian stock (really EWA). You said it should be Japan!
So when I got home I researched it (again).
Name last change%Up YTD%
Japan 10.58 +0.05 +0.47 -3.11
Austr 17.17 +0.18 +1.06 +2.81

Why should I be in Japan stock and not Australia? Why thesuggection??

Rgds :? Spaf
 
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Spaf,

What I meant is your I fund, Japan is the largest country weighting...I believe around 24%??? Australia is less then 1%....

I was saying if Japan was not the largest holding your I fund would have double the return....

You should ask your TSP folks about adding China and cutting Japan....

Funny we talked about outsourcing jobs and no one was surprised that a UK company manages your TSP accounts...TALK ABOUT OUTSOURCING....the U.S. government retire plan is managed by another country...that would mean your social security would be managed by another country....hmmm.

Sorry for the confusion Spaf...however to really gauge your I fund performance since Japan is your lastest holding do not get excited about the other markets that only make up a small, small fraction are doing well. I am shorting Japan right now...if you look at their bear market and problems they mirror the U.S....we are heading now their path.

You can purchaseAustralia through an ETF...that is my sixth largest holding right now.

Good luck, God bless and best wishes.

MT
 
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MarketTimer wrote:
You can purchaseAustralia through an ETF...that is my sixth largest holding right now.

Good luck, God bless and best wishes.

MT
MT

Yea...I know. I converted <blank> investment co to <blank> broker firm [$7.00] hint, hint. EWA (Australia) and TLT (20y Tres. bonds) were better alternatives to the I and F funds. Plus I can get out of Dodge at a moments notice (your quote).

I know, as you have said you are bearish! OK! I just follow THE DOW THEORY, maybe a bit different, I can go either way Bullish or bearish. High oil prices are not going to help the economy, Agree. And insiders did bail in December, the CMF money flow reflected a big drop. However, since Feburary the money flow has come back to a positive tone.

You said that you rolled over your TSP into a IRA, are you retiring? Gee, I got about a year and a half to go. What IRA did you sellect if I may ask. I was looking at USAA, but just looking, haven't made a firm decision!

Rgds, and be careful! :) Spaf
 
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Spaf,

the money coming into the market right now are the buy on the dip crowd...also people need to get their 2004 IRA money in the market prior to 15 April 2005 or be locked out...

I resigned from govt service about (wow) four years ago and rolled my funds over to a brokerage account at a investment firm....they looked at my trading and asked if they could send my name to some people...and I got hired at my current job. Not to brag...but a bunch of their "experts" were watching my account and trading after me...sort of like my call on buying foreign currencies this morning and shorting the after hours futures...beep, beep, beep...back the truck up.

God bless and I am glad that you are getting more investment knowledge.

Good luck!
MT
 
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