Who's fault is the deepening RECESSION

[ezmoney]

Fifty years of bad government with the last two administrations contributing the most. Well Johnson and Carter sure contributed more than their share. Give, Give, Give, Give till it hurts. Just pass the buck.

 

[tsptalk]

I agree with wwwtractor. I think we need an "all of the above" option.

 

[CountryBoy]

I agree with wwwtractor. I think we need an "all of the above" option.

+1 on what Tom said, the greedy American public are to blame too, especially those that knowly spent over there means and knew they couldn't possibly pay it back.

 

[nnuut]

I agree with wwwtractor. I think we need an "all of the above" option.

Agree that would have been better, but the deed is done. I did add the ability to post in all catigories, even with that The Democrats have really big margin of the votes. Want to do it again?:laugh:
Might see if Tom will spring for giving all who vote for the Democrats a FREE TSP Travel Mug? That seems to be the best why to get the votes in. I'm Sooooooo Bad!!

 

[Show-me]

The greedy american public and the greedy american Congress worked hand in hand. The public and Congress have over complicated the basics for our republic and have slowly moved us to a Socialist State.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." I fear that the end is nearer than we know.

Here is another good quote from Ben. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

The man was brilliant.

 

[Show-me]

One major note, I would say that the problem began to accelerate with the lobbyist factions bending the ears of our Congress. JMO

 

[CountryBoy]

One major note, I would say that the problem began to accelerate with the lobbyist factions bending the ears of our Congress. JMO

Yepper Show-me,

By all the comments posted here, most folks do agree, that it took more than just one person to cause this recession, but it was a group effort by a whole gaggle of folks.

 

[Show-me]

So what is the answer to correct the problem? Finding a candidate that is not motivated by greed or power. That will be difficult at best. You or I could do the job, but we are not popular, pretty, or willing to pander lobbyist. You have to have money to back you up and people of influence. That makes it impossible to not be influenced. Ross Perot was the one guy that had his own money and was not influenced by the money on the left or right.

Even if you get in and walk the straight and narrow, your handlers will turn on you eventually. It is a self protected club in the beltway. Dems and Repubs close ranks on anyone that tries to ruin their "good thing". Two houses of the same family, protecting the family interests.

We the people are becoming more powerless and the tree of liberty desperately needs to be watered.

 

[CountryBoy]

So what is the answer to correct the problem? Finding a candidate that is not motivated by greed or power. That will be difficult at best. You or I could do the job, but we are not popular, pretty, or willing to pander lobbyist. You have to have money to back you up and people of influence. That makes it impossible to not be influenced. Ross Perot was the one guy that had his own money and was not influenced by the money on the left or right.

Even if you get in and walk the straight and narrow, your handlers will turn on you eventually. It is a self protected club in the beltway. Dems and Repubs close ranks on anyone that tries to ruin their "good thing". Two houses of the same family, protecting the family interests.

We the people are becoming more powerless and the tree of liberty desperately needs to be watered.

You got me. I think we may have come closest with Perot, but unfortunately I don't think a 3rd party candidate has a hope in ..... unless this country really falls on hard times and that may be what it'll take to do the trick, at least for those of us that don't like the socialistic, tax loving administration and supporters that are currently destroying any chance for a future where you can better yourself with hard work. But the nanny state, welfare supporters seem content to allow the trend to continue.

I don't know what the answer is, but to continue along this route, regardless of the party, will just lead to trouble, because eventually the producers in this country are just going to get plum fed up with the tax burden. Load up and be ready for anything.

Tree of Liberty.. interesting choice of words. Didn't Thomas Jefferson said it would have to be watered even 200 years or was that someone else?

 

[Show-me]

It was Jefferson, "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

 

[CountryBoy]

It was Jefferson, "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

Such prophetic words. Those old dead white guys, did have something on the ball, but of course they lived under tyranny and knew what it was like and they really valued their freedom. Most people don't even realize how lucky they are, to have such freedom. I think the majority of the people in this country would gladly sacrifice their freedom if Uncle Sugar sent them a check every month. In others words their freedom can be bought for a pittance.

 

[Birchtree]

Ya, there is nothing better than sucking on a brown sugar daddy. Do they still make those?

 

[Show-me]

Amazing how wise and prophetic those guys were. I am in humble awe.

 

[Show-me]

Birch, sometime your like the guy that shits his pants in crowded room.

 

[Birchtree]

I'm in humble awe.

 

[tsptalk]

So what is the answer to correct the problem? Finding a candidate that is not motivated by greed or power. That will be difficult at best. You or I could do the job, but we are not popular, pretty, or willing to pander lobbyist. You have to have money to back you up and people of influence. That makes it impossible to not be influenced. Ross Perot was the one guy that had his own money and was not influenced by the money on the left or right.

Even if you get in and walk the straight and narrow, your handlers will turn on you eventually. It is a self protected club in the beltway. Dems and Repubs close ranks on anyone that tries to ruin their "good thing". Two houses of the same family, protecting the family interests.

We the people are becoming more powerless and the tree of liberty desperately needs to be watered.

Unfortunately, these are not new problems. Over the years, third parties candidates popped up many times and I believe every time they were not only defeated, but they took enough votes away from the losing candidate usually giving the election to the one they were most opposed to.

I went to see a couple of bands play at this small club last night, and it had a coffee shop atmosphere (couches, tables, books) and I came across an old book of Presidents that was lying around. Eisenhower was the last president in the book. Anyway, it had a list of all of the elections going back to Washington, the number of votes, both popular and electoral, and every time a 3rd party was involved, they lost. Even Teddy Roosevelt lost running as a progressive. (He was appointed president as a republican when McKinley was assinated).

So, as much as I would love to see a 3rd party step up and take the job away from the Reps and Dems, history suggests that it is not a reality, and instead will cause more damage. For conservatives, that means adding an independant to the ballot in 2012 will simply hand Obama a 2nd term.

 

[grandma]

... and instead will cause more damage. For conservatives, that means adding an independant to the ticket [ballot] in 2012 will simply hand Obama a 2nd term.

When you say ticket, are you meaning if the Republican nominee would add an Independent as his side-kick?
- or conservatives splitting the vote as mentioned & handing the opposition the win?

 

[tsptalk]

When you say ticket, are you meaning if the Republican nominee would add an Independent as his side-kick?
- or conservatives splitting the vote as mentioned & handing the opposition the win?

Sorry, I meant ballot.

 

[Show-me]

Tom,

I agree with you and the last election showed it. The GOP could not have done worse in running McCain and Palin. If the GOP does not want to win they should not run anybody. A crusty old career politician and dim wit don't win elections after the Bush legacy. Same old same old.

 

[Show-me]

My point is McCain might as well been a third party candidate running with Palin. What were they thinking.