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SkyPilot
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I think Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian Christian, who traveled a religious journey among several different Christian sects....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan
grandma
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Something I read today: a shopper noted three guys in camoflage buying a few things at a store, stopped to shake their hands and tell them `thank you.'
The fellows replied they appreciated her thoughts very much for the military, but they were duck hunters just picking up some last minute snacks.
Buster
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Let's put it this way..Not all Muslims are extremists, BUT, most all extremists are Muslim.
Happy New Year to you too my firiend..I hope we all have a good one for a change..the last decade was a bugger!
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Buster
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Extremism in any form is intolerance.Another problem is that many Muslims believe that the US and the west have directly interfered in their lives. In one poll, only about 3% of the Pakistani populace actually believed that Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11. http://www.religioustolerance.org/ A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc. Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets.
Buster
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I bet you could cut a rug in your dayWhooo-eeee! I had to get up & see if I could still do Line-dancing !!
...and, no, I couldn't - bad foot, you know !!!
James48843
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The day's coming when we all get along
Chaplin Norris Burkes, USAF
http://www.thechaplain.net/Articles.aspx?ID=492
11/14/2009
Do you think Muslims and Christians will ever get along?" a senior officer asked during our informal chapel service.
Her question was asked in the shadow of our flag flying half-staff for those killed in the Fort Hood massacre in Texas. The alleged shooter is a Muslim Army officer.
To answer, there are a few things to understand cogitatively and spiritually.
Non-Western Muslims understand the concept of religion differently. Having lived for two years in Turkey, I experienced the Muslim faith to be more about culture than religion. For many Muslims outside Western culture, Islam is equivalent to citizenry and is included on birth certificates. This is different from Western culture where most Christians declare their faith out of personal conviction.
It would be easy to blame the massacre at Fort Hood on a religion, but many times acts of this magnitude are acts of mental illness. While we don't yet know the facts in this case, I do believe religion doesn't cause mental illness; however, it can be a vehicle for the illness.
There are many other vehicles used by the mentally ill such as politics, ethnicity or territory. But in cases such as these, the illness can metastasize to one's extreme view of religion.
Finally, when acts such as these are linked to religion, I find it helpful to remember this analogy. Extreme fundamentalism in the Muslim faith is much the same as the extremist view of Christian members in the Ku Klux Klan. Both are abominable mutations of faith. The alleged shooter no more represented good Muslims than my white-sheeted ancestors represented good Christians.
Spiritually, I've had the privilege to witness the faith of a number of Muslim service members. I recall the unwavering faith of two Army specialists I worked with in Iraq earlier this year.
The first assisted me in the emergency room when we received four patients: three American soldiers and one Muslim translator. They all were dead.
During the aftermath, I, along with a rabbi, a priest and this newly naturalized Muslim American, walked among the trauma staff to lay hands on the heaving shoulders of service members who found this incident too horrendous for words.
The other Muslim soldier, also newly naturalized, helped me work with an Iraqi boy who was burned over most of his body from playing with matches and fuel.
This Muslim American stood with me as I beamed a smile toward the boy's perfect and untouched face. Without much ability to talk to the family, I knew of only one way to offer respect. While our soldier read from the Quran, I paused respectfully and then passed the Quran to the father. He placed his hand on his heart and gratefully received the book by kissing it and positioning it on his son's pillow.
You'll never read headlines about these soldiers who demonstrated strong and exemplary faith, so you'll have to trust me. There are plenty of Muslims in the military who contribute to the good in this world.
Will the Muslims and Christians ever get along?
Sacred text certainly encourages it.
The Quran declares: "Find those who say, 'We are Christians,' " the prophet declared, "because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant." (Surah 5:82)
Joining the cry for tolerance is the Judeo-Christian prophet Isaiah who predicts we will one day get along.
"The wolf will romp with the lamb, the leopard sleep with the kid . . . the cow and bear will graze the same pasture. . . . Neither animal nor human will hurt or kill on my holy mountain. The whole earth will be brimming with knowing God-alive, a living knowledge of God ocean-deep, ocean-wide."
That's the world I want to live in. Pretty idealistic, I know. But that's what they said to the kids chipping away at the Berlin wall. And 20 years later, we are celebrating its fall.
Chaplin Norris Burkes, USAF
http://www.thechaplain.net/Articles.aspx?ID=492
11/14/2009
Do you think Muslims and Christians will ever get along?" a senior officer asked during our informal chapel service.
Her question was asked in the shadow of our flag flying half-staff for those killed in the Fort Hood massacre in Texas. The alleged shooter is a Muslim Army officer.
To answer, there are a few things to understand cogitatively and spiritually.
Non-Western Muslims understand the concept of religion differently. Having lived for two years in Turkey, I experienced the Muslim faith to be more about culture than religion. For many Muslims outside Western culture, Islam is equivalent to citizenry and is included on birth certificates. This is different from Western culture where most Christians declare their faith out of personal conviction.
It would be easy to blame the massacre at Fort Hood on a religion, but many times acts of this magnitude are acts of mental illness. While we don't yet know the facts in this case, I do believe religion doesn't cause mental illness; however, it can be a vehicle for the illness.
There are many other vehicles used by the mentally ill such as politics, ethnicity or territory. But in cases such as these, the illness can metastasize to one's extreme view of religion.
Finally, when acts such as these are linked to religion, I find it helpful to remember this analogy. Extreme fundamentalism in the Muslim faith is much the same as the extremist view of Christian members in the Ku Klux Klan. Both are abominable mutations of faith. The alleged shooter no more represented good Muslims than my white-sheeted ancestors represented good Christians.
Spiritually, I've had the privilege to witness the faith of a number of Muslim service members. I recall the unwavering faith of two Army specialists I worked with in Iraq earlier this year.
The first assisted me in the emergency room when we received four patients: three American soldiers and one Muslim translator. They all were dead.
During the aftermath, I, along with a rabbi, a priest and this newly naturalized Muslim American, walked among the trauma staff to lay hands on the heaving shoulders of service members who found this incident too horrendous for words.
The other Muslim soldier, also newly naturalized, helped me work with an Iraqi boy who was burned over most of his body from playing with matches and fuel.
This Muslim American stood with me as I beamed a smile toward the boy's perfect and untouched face. Without much ability to talk to the family, I knew of only one way to offer respect. While our soldier read from the Quran, I paused respectfully and then passed the Quran to the father. He placed his hand on his heart and gratefully received the book by kissing it and positioning it on his son's pillow.
You'll never read headlines about these soldiers who demonstrated strong and exemplary faith, so you'll have to trust me. There are plenty of Muslims in the military who contribute to the good in this world.
Will the Muslims and Christians ever get along?
Sacred text certainly encourages it.
The Quran declares: "Find those who say, 'We are Christians,' " the prophet declared, "because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant." (Surah 5:82)
Joining the cry for tolerance is the Judeo-Christian prophet Isaiah who predicts we will one day get along.
"The wolf will romp with the lamb, the leopard sleep with the kid . . . the cow and bear will graze the same pasture. . . . Neither animal nor human will hurt or kill on my holy mountain. The whole earth will be brimming with knowing God-alive, a living knowledge of God ocean-deep, ocean-wide."
That's the world I want to live in. Pretty idealistic, I know. But that's what they said to the kids chipping away at the Berlin wall. And 20 years later, we are celebrating its fall.
Buster
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I think it's possible, once you remove the Islamic fanatics from the mix...Christians and Muslims believe in the same God and Jesus..and I have yet to read in the Quran anywhere where it says for believers in Islam to KILL all, or any Christians (infidels)...Where does this Islamic hatred come from then?..get rid of that and you'll see harmony.
I think it's well said, James. I'm glad it came from a chaplain.
What drives this? Maybe it's that many Muslims have an issue with what they see as American imperialism in their regions, and regrettably, they sometimes see America as against their faith. Yes, it's clear that there have been quite a few terrorist incidents in the US and Europe. But there's also been quite a lot of direct American attacks inside their countries.
Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Yemen to name a few. Yes, there was the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the embassy bombings in several places around the world. These places are outside of the US, but they're still terrorist incidents. I guess we must have a great deal of tolerance and patience in trying to forge a solution to violent extremism, and not persecute because of religion. Both Europe and North America have had some periods of both ethnic and religious violence, sometimes much worse than the present time. There's a large jewish population in muslim Morocco, since they were persecuted so severely in christian Spain, and were forced to leave.
The rush to invade Iraq after 9/11 was probably not very helpful, either.
What drives this? Maybe it's that many Muslims have an issue with what they see as American imperialism in their regions, and regrettably, they sometimes see America as against their faith. Yes, it's clear that there have been quite a few terrorist incidents in the US and Europe. But there's also been quite a lot of direct American attacks inside their countries.
Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Yemen to name a few. Yes, there was the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the embassy bombings in several places around the world. These places are outside of the US, but they're still terrorist incidents. I guess we must have a great deal of tolerance and patience in trying to forge a solution to violent extremism, and not persecute because of religion. Both Europe and North America have had some periods of both ethnic and religious violence, sometimes much worse than the present time. There's a large jewish population in muslim Morocco, since they were persecuted so severely in christian Spain, and were forced to leave.
The rush to invade Iraq after 9/11 was probably not very helpful, either.
Buster
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So not to use your only source of information, Wiki.
And as difficult as it may be for you, see if you can to understand the difference..
INVADE:
in⋅vade /ɪnˈveɪd/
Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-veyd] Show IPA verb, -vad⋅ed, -vad⋅ing. Use invade in a Sentence
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–verb (used with object) 1.to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent: Germany invaded Poland in 1939. 2.to enter like an enemy: Locusts invaded the fields. 3.to enter as if to take possession: to invade a neighbor's home. 4.to enter and affect injuriously or destructively, as disease: viruses that invade the bloodstream. 5.to intrude upon: to invade the privacy of a family. 6.to encroach or infringe upon: to invade the rights of citizens. 7.to permeate: The smell of baking invades the house. to penetrate; spread into or over: The population boom has caused city dwellers to invade the suburbs.
LIBERATE:
liberate - give equal rights to; of women and minorities emancipate
change state, turn - undergo a transformation or a change of position or action; "We turned from Socialism to Capitalism"; "The people turned against the President when he stole the election"
2.
unspell - release from a spell
unchain - make free
bail - release after a security has been paid
run - set animals loose to graze
bail out - free on bail
parole - release a criminal from detention and place him on parole; "The prisoner was paroled after serving 10 years in prison"
3.liberate - grant freedom to; "The students liberated their slaves upon graduating from the university" set free
discharge, free - free from obligations or duties
affranchise, enfranchise - grant freedom to; as from slavery or servitude; "Slaves were enfranchised in the mid-19th century"
manumit, emancipate - free from slavery or servitude
decolonise, decolonize - grant independence to (a former colony); "West Africa was decolonized in the early 1960's"
4.liberate - release (gas or energy) as a result of a chemical reaction or physical decomposition release, free
Back on the Ignore List you go..
I see. We "liberated" Iraq.
As I remember, we also tried to "liberate" Vietnam from the communists. In retrospect, that was probably not what we did.
You left out the "liberate" that's most appropriate:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberate
3 : to take or take over illegally or unjustly
Go ahead and ignore. That, in itself, is a victory. I'll use "liberate" in a sentence. I think the former administration liberated Florida in the 2000 elections. They were then able to liberate the entire country.
As I remember, we also tried to "liberate" Vietnam from the communists. In retrospect, that was probably not what we did.
You left out the "liberate" that's most appropriate:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberate
3 : to take or take over illegally or unjustly
Go ahead and ignore. That, in itself, is a victory. I'll use "liberate" in a sentence. I think the former administration liberated Florida in the 2000 elections. They were then able to liberate the entire country.
James48843
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Ben Stein thinks the solution is to give the job of airline security to the IBM Corporation;
Meanwhile Ron Paul says we ought to be asking WHY they are trying to kill us. Paul says "They're terrorists because we're occupiers":
I think Ron Paul is a very, very smart guy. He understands.
Meanwhile Ron Paul says we ought to be asking WHY they are trying to kill us. Paul says "They're terrorists because we're occupiers":
I think Ron Paul is a very, very smart guy. He understands.
Ron Paul is a smart guy. Osama bin Laden's goals are being realized. No one is bothering to ask exactly why this attack came. He knew why. OBL's group wants to bankrupt us, paralyze us. That's how they win. President Bush was Al-Qaeda's, and radical Islam's favorite candidate. We can readily see why.
Show-me
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And, so do the Jews.
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