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[James48843]

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I love that movie.

"The Scoops are on their way! The Scoops are on their way!"

 

[Show-me]

Fort Hood shows that no matter what country you claim your loyalty are to a different cause or organization. That bastard counseled with militant sympathizers as to whether it was OK to do it. He should be tried as a traitor, but the liberal media is sitting on this story big time. Why?

Phil, James,

I ask again, why? Why is this story not being torn open and every lead exploited for the evening news? Why? We know why and the silence is very telling.

 

[phil]

Speaking for myself, I don't think it's good policy to politicize a military justice case, any more than it's a good idea to try this airline civilian in a military court martial. It's an incident on a military base, done by a military officer.

SHOULD we ask our federal government to try the case directly? SHOULD we try the case, as you appear to want, publicly?

Should the federal government also intervene in other cases involving military justice in other places? Shall we politicize these incidents as well?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan

Shall we move the US attorneys to investigate this case as well? Clearly, it involves US forces. We can do that, as opposed to having an investigation done by the military.

Let me know, though you might not like it when it happens.
Some advice: Be careful what you wish for, it might come true. Mob rule will destroy the republic. Apparently, this is what many people want in this country. I don't support it from either party. I also didn't support the idea in the former administration, fomenting hatred in the wake of 9/11.

By the way, you might think I'm some liberal. But from my own viewpoint, I'm probably the most conservative person on this board......by far.

Phil, James,

I ask again, why? Why is this story not being torn open and every lead exploited for the evening news? Why? We know why and the silence is very telling.

 

[alevin]

Maybe we should start a TSP book club, anyone want to send me a copy of "The Utility of Force"? When I'm done I will send it postage paid to the next reader. When there is no more demand, the last reader sends it back to the owner?


Hey BC, if you get a copy, let me know, you can pass it on to me when you're done. I'll pass it on to whoever is next in line.

I also noticed another book at the end of Grandma's link re Pvt Slovik-book called "Christianity and War". the Amazon reviews make it sound like a worthwhile read. I may get that one myself and would be willing to pass it on when done. I read one other book on the subject in my earlier years.

 

[Show-me]

News is news. Freedom of the press. Big news makes big ratings or maybe they, the liberal media, doesn't want to embarrass or corner their golden boy?

If it was a white anti semitic or anti minority officer under the Bush administration, do you think it would get the same obvious down play?

This is killing you I can tell, because in your heart you know this is true. You just do not want to admit.

 

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What will destroy the Republic is allow people to vote who will never pay a dime to fund the Republic's many entitlement programs. Come one, come all, you can vote yourselves free money from the taxpayers!!!!

 

[James48843]

Phil, James,

I ask again, why? Why is this story not being torn open and every lead exploited for the evening news? Why? We know why and the silence is very telling.

I don't understand your question. What are you looking for? What does "not being torn apart" mean? What are you expecting the press to look into?

 

[Show-me]

Why are they not following all the developments? Investigating on their own? Investigating and hounding the Muslim cleric? Digging into their past? Giving some sort of updates? Calling it what it is? A suicide mission from a American military officer that was obviously sympathetic to the Muslim extremest and received counsel from one of their clerics? Where is the media outrage?

The media is more outraged that NBC paid for the charter flight of the guy that got his son back from Brazil.

This is a mass murdering terrorist! Were are the exposes on the familiar? Get those ratings up will a heart tugging story about the military families left behind.

Wait, I get it now. They would have to admit there really is a terrorist problem in the USA and the Obama admin. has been down playing it.

 

[Show-me]

Where is the story and the information the public needs.

 

[phil]

Sometimes news is news. Sometimes it's not news. You want freedom of the press? You really don't know how much I agree with you.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mr-obama-unveils-new-freedom-information-act-foia

This administration at least makes some attempt to be transparent to people. However, even if a lot of information is known, a lot will also never see the light of day.

Do I think if it was an anti-minority officer, he/she would receive different treatment? Well, in my opinion, if he/she were anti-minority, they SHOULDN'T be an officer. But I'm old school. I don't know what passes today.

News is news. Freedom of the press. Big news makes big ratings or maybe they, the liberal media, doesn't want to embarrass or corner their golden boy?

If it was a white anti semitic or anti minority officer under the Bush administration, do you think it would get the same obvious down play?

This is killing you I can tell, because in your heart you know this is true. You just do not want to admit.

 

[Show-me]

Well I guess the same goes for a anti military or anti American officer.

Lets hang him quickly.

 

[phil]

Mob rule. As I said.

Well I guess the same goes for a anti military or anti American officer.

Lets hang him quickly.

 

[Show-me]

The mob is right. What more do you need? He planned and carried out the systematic murder of 14 souls and wounded many more. There are dozens of witnesses. Evidence that links him to a radical Muslim cleric that promotes the killing of American. The same radical Muslim cleric he got council from.

Seems the mob is seeing thing more clearly than you and want to end the drama and expense to the taxpayer.

What is your opinion, guilty or innocent?

 

[James48843]

Why are they not following all the developments?

They are. There really aren't a lot of developments. Hassan is in custody, and they are preparing for trial. Not much news there.

Investigating on their own?

Investigating what? I see lots of stories on Hassan continuing. Here: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/FtHoo...wlaki-kill-american-soldiers/story?id=9410718

Investigating and hounding the Muslim cleric?

Hounding the guy in Yemen? He's not in a position to give interviews, ya know-
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...-yemen_25int.ART0.State.Edition2.4bcbae3.html

Digging into their past?

Into who's past? The cleric? They did that months ago. Hassans? They did that months ago also. Old news.

some sort of updates?

Google shows 1,198 stories in the last week on Hassan. What more do you want? http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=nidal+hassan

Calling it what it is? A suicide mission from a American military officer that was obviously sympathetic to the Muslim extremest and received counsel from one of their clerics? Where is the media outrage?

I haven't seen it called much else in any of those stories. Not sure what you are talking about.

The media is more outraged that NBC paid for the charter flight of the guy that got his son back from Brazil.

This is a mass murdering terrorist! Were are the exposes on the familiar? Get those ratings up will a heart tugging story about the military families left behind.

They are: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-12-22-fort-hood-holidays_N.htm

Wait, I get it now. They would have to admit there really is a terrorist problem in the USA and the Obama admin. has been down playing it.

Nobody is playing down anything.

Question for you- which story received more newsprint?
A. The story of the "testicle bomber", who didn't kill anyone, or
B. How many U.S. soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq in the last 30 days?

Answer: A.

The country should REALLY be reading about the men and women who have lost their lives in Afghanistan and Iraq. Here, I'll list them for you- so that you don't forget . Each one of THESE left behind someone who loves them.

 

[James48843]

Iraq:

Pfc. Jaiciae L. Pauley 29 1st Battalion, 30th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division Austell, Georgia Died of injuries sustained from a non-combat related incident in Kirkuk, Iraq, on December 11, 2009

Pvt. Jhanner A. Tello 29 Company D, 3rd Aviation Support Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division Los Angeles, California Died of injuries sustained from a non-combat related incident in Kirkuk, Iraq, on December 10, 2009

Sgt. Ralph Anthony Webb Frietas 23 Marine Wing Support Squadron 172, Marine Wing Support Group 17, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, III Marine Expeditionary Force Detroit, Michigan Died as a result of unknown causes in Baghdad, Iraq, on December 8, 2009


Afghanistan:

NAME AGE UNIT HOMETOWN DETAILS


Spc. Jason M. Johnston 24 2nd Battalion, 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division Albion, New York Died of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked his unit with a roadside bomb in Arghandab, Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on December 26, 2009

Staff Sgt. David H. Gutierrez 35 2nd Battalion, 1st Infantry Regiment, 5th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division San Francisco, California Died at Kandahar Air Field, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked his dismounted patrol with a roadside bomb in Howz-e Madad, Afghanistan, on December 25, 2009

 

[James48843]

Lt. Andrew Richard Nuttall 30 1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Victoria, Canada Killed when a roadside bomb detonated during a joint Afghan-Canadian foot patrol near the village of Nakhonay in Panjwaii district, Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on December 23, 2009

Lance Cpl. Tommy Brown Not available 1st Battalion, The Parachute Regiment United Kingdom Died when a roadside bomb detonated while on a foot patrol about .62 miles (1 kilometer) south of Sangin in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 22, 2009

Lance Cpl. Omar G. Roebuck 23 2nd Combat Engineer Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Moreno Valley, California Died as a result of a non-hostile incident in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 22, 2009

Lance Cpl. Christopher Roney 23 Company A, 3rd Battalion, The Rifles Sunderland, England Died of his wounds following a firefight in Sangin, Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 21, 2009

 

[James48843]

Pfc. Serge Kropov 21 Marine Aircraft Group 16, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, I Marine Expeditionary Force Hawley, Pennsylvania Died as a result of a non-hostile incident in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 20, 2009

Lance Cpl. Michael David Pritchard 22 160 Provost Company, 4th Regiment, Royal Military Police Maidstone, England Killed as a result of small arms fire -- possibly friendly fire, according to the British Ministry of Defense -- in the Sangin area of Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 20, 2009

Cpl. Simon Hornby 29 Arnhem Company, 2nd Battalion, The Duke of Lancaster's Regiment Liverpool, England Killed when a roadside bomb detonated near his foot patrol in Nad-e-Ali district, Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 19, 2009

Pfc. Michał Kołek 22 Polsko-Ukraiński Batalion Sił Pokojowych (Polish-Ukrainian Peace Force Battalion) Poland Killed in a firefight after a Polish patrol was attacked with small arms and rocket-propelled grenades about 12 miles (20 km) from a Polish forward operating base in Ghazni province, Afghanistan, on December 19, 2009

 

[James48843]

Sgt. Albert D. Ware 27 782nd Combat Support Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division Chicago, Illinois Died of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his vehicle with a roadside bomb in the Arghandab River Valley, Kandahar province, Afghanistan, on December 18, 2009

Rifleman James Stephen Brown 18 Company B, 3rd Battalion, The Rifles Kent, England One of two British soldiers killed when a suicide bomber detonated a homemade bomb at a vehicle checkpoint on a route into Sangin, Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 15, 2009

Tech. Sgt. Anthony C. Campbell Jr. 35 932nd Civil Engineer Squadron, 932nd Mission Support Group, 932nd Airlift Wing Florence, Kentucky Died of wounds suffered from the detonation of a roadside bomb in Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 15, 2009

Junior Sgt. Kristjan Jalakas 19 Estcoy-9 Infantry Company Estonia Killed when a roadside bomb detonated near his foot patrol near Patrol Base Wahid in Nad-e-Ali district, Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 15, 2009

 

[James48843]

Lance Cpl. David Leslie Kirkness 24 Company B, 3rd Battalion, The Rifles West Yorkshire, England One of two British soldiers killed when a suicide bomber detonated a homemade bomb at a vehicle checkpoint on a route into Sangin, Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 15, 2009

Cpl. Xhacob Latorre 21 2nd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Waterbury, Connecticut Died of wounds sustained while supporting combat operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan on December 8, 2009

Lance Cpl. Adam Drane 23 Company C, 1st Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment Bury St Edmunds, England Killed while carrying out security duties at Check Point Paraang in the southern Nad e-Ali district of Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 7, 2009

Staff Sgt. Dennis J. Hansen 31 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division Panama City, Florida Died on December 7, 2009, at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Landstuhl, Germany, of wounds sustained when insurgents attacked his unit with a roadside bomb in Logar province, Afghanistan, on December 3

 

[James48843]

Sgt. Elijah J. Rao 26 2nd Battalion, 77th Field Artillery Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Lake Oswego, Oregon Died of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his unit with a roadside bomb in the Alingar district of Nuristan province, Afghanistan, on December 5, 2009

Sgt. Kenneth R. Nichols Jr. 28 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division Chrisman, Illinois Died of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his unit using small arms and rocket-propelled grenade fires in Kunar province, Afghanistan, on December 1, 2009

Lance Cpl. Jonathan A. Taylor 22 2nd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force Jacksonville, Florida Died while supporting combat operations in the Garmsir district of Helmand province, Afghanistan, on December 1, 2009