Seat 19A

"treason" is not a specific crime under the UCMJ-

Sedition is, but not treason. Treason under the UCMJ has been, under case law, only been added as a charge in espionage cases in the past.

Here are the current list of crimes under the UCMJ:

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj2.htm#SUBCHAPTER X. PUNITIVE ARTICLES

In order to add a charge of Treason, you would have to invoke Article 134, and then charge a FEDERAL violation of 18 USC§ 2381, to the UCMJ violation under Article 118.

Can it be done? Yes.

Should be it done? Probably not. It then gives the defense an additional set of avenues to appeal upon.
 
Death penalty for espionage only during time of war. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy.....that's interesting. Have we declared war? I probably missed that somewhere. Maybe it was in the fine print somewhere. Could you show me?


Treason: Offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies in war. In the U.S., the framers of the Constitution defined treason narrowly — as the levying of war against the U.S. (No one is more visibly identified as US than a soldier) or the giving of aid and comfort to its enemies — in order to lessen the possibility that those in power might falsely or loosely charge their political opponents with treason.

Espionage would be a different charge all together. The act or practice of spying or of using spies to obtain secret information, as about another government
 
914. ART. 114. DUELING

Any person subject to this chapter who fights or promotes, or is concerned in or connives at fighting a duel, or who, having knowledge of a challenge sent or about to be sent, fails to report the fact promptly to the proper authority, shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.


What is this country coming to? What have they done to my Marine Corps? Duelling is illegal? Zounds!

I confess to forgery, however. I was forced to forge my own signature once. Statute of limitations, I hope.

924. ART. 124. MAIMING

Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent to injure, disfigure, or disable, inflicts upon the person of another an injury which--

(1) seriously disfigures his person by a mutilation thereof;

(2) destroys or disables any member or organ of his body; or

(3) seriously diminishes his physical vigor by the injury of any member or organ;

is guilty of maiming and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

925. ART. 125. SODOMY

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.


So...both maiming and sodomy are in the UCMJ, next to each other. Can someone be convicted of both....at the same time?
 
I would encourage you to read the book "The Utility of Force", by General Rupert Smith. It's available on Amazon.com used for about six bucks. If you read that, you'd have a much better picture as to WHY they are fighting, and what to expect.

Simply put, if we do nothing different, there is an infinite supply of "testicle bombers" that will continue to to harass us for the next century or so.

If you want to change that, there is a way. But it is not through force, death penalties, or attacking countries around the world.

Read the book.

Maybe we should start a TSP book club, anyone want to send me a copy of "The Utility of Force"? When I'm done I will send it postage paid to the next reader. When there is no more demand, the last reader sends it back to the owner?

If postage is an issue I'll pay that upfront.
 
Being ex NAVY EOD...this subject perks my interests as to how easy it is to use and get...I should say; Scares the sh!t out of me that it can be gotten so easily....Meth Labs is difficult chemistry compared to making this stuff.

PETN, the explosive that nearly doomed Northwest Airlines Flight 253 in Detroit on Christmas Day, is a white powder that can deliver powerful blasts in quantities as small as tenths or hundredths of a pound.
But generally, it can't be lit with a match or otherwise set off without using a detonator or mixing it with a chemical to cause an explosion....Prof. Oxley noted, chemicals used to make PETN are more readily available. While rules vary from country to country, in the U.S. "we could acquire the chemicals to make it ourselves," she said.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126195987401406861.html?mod=article-outset-box

This is what the amount the Shoe Boomer (Richard Reid) had would have done to a plane had he had been successful in detonating it...The Nigerian had twice as much stuffed in his crotch....And some say there isn't a God..
 
I am curious about something - suppose Seat 19A had accomplished his goal; suppose the plane did blow. When the passenger list was reviewed, would the powers-that-be take note of the Islamic name of 19A? Would it take months for the investigation to come up with the explosive used, narrowing down the finding to non-called-terrorists? Now if there had been even just one survivor who could give an indication of what happened, would the powers-that-be accept this as a terrorist attack, or would they feel that was going beyond the grain to surmise such a thing?
And that it could have been anyone with a grudge, or a recently purchased life insurance? I think I would really like to have an idea of how our government would have treated this. I already know how they are treating the Ft Hood massacre.
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I am curious about something - suppose Seat 19A had accomplished his goal; suppose the plane did blow. When the passenger list was reviewed, would the powers-that-be take note of the Islamic name of 19A? Would it take months for the investigation to come up with the explosive used, narrowing down the finding to non-called-terrorists? Now if there had been even just one survivor who could give an indication of what happened, would the powers-that-be accept this as a terrorist attack, or would they feel that was going beyond the grain to surmise such a thing?
And that it could have been anyone with a grudge, or a recently purchased life insurance? I think I would really like to have an idea of how our government would have treated this. I already know how they are treating the Ft Hood massacre.
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All of the above Grandma..I think no stone would be left unturned.;)

Simple Tests would prove what type of explosives have been used..ALL explosives leaves a tell-tale finger print.
 
NTSB would investigate. They investigate all disasters and bombings. Even the one the US did in the straits of Hormuz, which ended up killing 290 passengers, including 66 children in 1988.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_accidents_and_incidents

The deadliest aviation-related disaster of any kind, considering fatalities on both the aircraft and the ground, was the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City on September 11, 2001 with the intentional crashing of American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 by Al-qaeda terrorists. The crashes killed 2,988, most of them occupants of the World Trade Center towers or emergency personnel responding to the disaster.
The March 27, 1977, Tenerife disaster remains the accident with the highest number of airliner passenger fatalities. In this disaster, 583 people died when a KLM Boeing 747 attempted take-off and collided with a taxiing Pan Am 747 at Los Rodeos Airport. Pilot error, ATC error, communications problems, fog, and airfield congestion due to a bombing and a second bomb threat at another airport, which diverted air traffic to Los Rodeos, all contributed to this catastrophe.
The crash of Japan Airlines Flight 123 in 1985 is the single-aircraft disaster with the highest number of fatalities. In this crash, 520 died on board a Boeing 747. The aircraft suffered an explosive decompression from a failed pressure bulkhead repair, which destroyed its vertical stabilizer and severed hydraulic lines, making the 747 virtually uncontrollable.
The world's deadliest mid-air collision was the 1996 Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision involving Saudia Flight 763 and Air Kazakhstan Flight 1907 over Haryana, India. The crash was mainly the result of the Kazakh pilot flying lower than the altitude for which his aircraft was given clearance. Three hundred and forty-nine passengers and crew died from both aircraft. The Ramesh Chandra Lahoti Commission, empowered to study the causes, also recommended the creation of "air corridors" to prevent planes from flying in opposite directions at the same altitude.
On March 3, 1974, Turkish Airlines Flight 981 McDonnell Douglas DC-10 crashed in a forest northeast of Paris, France. The destination was London but the plane crashed shortly after taking off from Orly airport. There were a total of 346 people on board; all of them perished in the crash. It was later determined that the cargo door had detached which caused an explosive decompression which in turn caused the floor just above to collapse. When the floor collapsed it severed the control cables, which left the pilots without control of the elevators, the rudder and the No. 2 engine. The plane entered a steep dive and crashed. It was the deadliest plane crash of all time until the Tenerife disaster in 1977.
On June 23, 1985, Air India Flight 182 crashed off the southwest coast of Ireland when a bomb exploded in the cargo hold. On board the Boeing 747-237B were 307 passengers and 22 crew members, all of whom were killed when the plane disintegrated. One passenger checked in as "M. Singh". He didn't board the flight but his suitcase that contained the bomb was loaded onto the plane. Mr. Singh was never identified and captured. It was later found out that Sikh extremists were behind the bombing and that it was a retaliation for the Indian government's attack on the sacred Golden Temple in the city of Amritsar, which is very important for the Sikhs. This was at the time the deadliest terrorist attack involving an airplane.
On September 1, 1983, a Soviet Sukhoi Su-15 shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007 killing all 269 passengers and crew[1].
Iran Air Flight 655 was a civilian airliner shot down by US missiles on Sunday 3 July 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children, ranking it seventh among the deadliest airline disasters.
Pan Am Flight 103 was a Boeing 747-121 that was destroyed by a terrorist bomb over the town of Lockerbie, Scotland on the 21st December 1988. The crash killed all 243 passengers, all 16 crew and 11 people on the ground (all of whom were residents of Sherwood Crescent, Lockerbie), making it the worst terrorist attack involving an aircraft in the UK.
 
Talking about what charges are acceptable for execution by the military reminds me of PFC Slovik - didn't we just have some posts about him in the last few days? I had to Google him to be sure of what happened - it is easier to recall what was seen in the movies than what was actual.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance34.html
 
Originally Posted by James48843
I would encourage you to read the book "The Utility of Force", by General Rupert Smith. It's available on Amazon.com used for about six bucks. If you read that, you'd have a much better picture as to WHY they are fighting, and what to expect.

I category that right on the same level as; War and Peace...
 
Death penalty for espionage only during time of war. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy.....that's interesting. Have we declared war? I probably missed that somewhere. Maybe it was in the fine print somewhere. Could you show me?

I was mearly pointing out the definition of the two. So please keep your smart A$$ to yourself.
 
Can I have it? Sounds really cool and I have a stump to remove. ;):nuts::laugh:

PETN don't remove stumps, people do.

I'm guessing that stump is coming out one way or the other.

Buster, don't post the recipe for sharp sticks or heavy rocks either please, that way when the food riots start again folks will have to be all nice to each other.
 
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