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Playing the I fund
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Dave M
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Hold It
The I-fund seems to have recovered Q2 losses to a greater extent than the C- and S-funds. Am I correct in this?
I have always thought that the only way to deal with the I-fund is to hold it while all its cycles to play out. It is the most difficult fund to time because of its complexities. This relatively strong recovery would support that.
Although I have been pretty evenly diversified among the three funds while maintaining a stable allocation (including some G-fund reserves), the I-fund has contributed 60% of my total gain over the last 12 months.
Do you agree? Should we plan to hold our I-fund shares longer than otherwise?
Dave
The I-fund seems to have recovered Q2 losses to a greater extent than the C- and S-funds. Am I correct in this?
I have always thought that the only way to deal with the I-fund is to hold it while all its cycles to play out. It is the most difficult fund to time because of its complexities. This relatively strong recovery would support that.
Although I have been pretty evenly diversified among the three funds while maintaining a stable allocation (including some G-fund reserves), the I-fund has contributed 60% of my total gain over the last 12 months.
Do you agree? Should we plan to hold our I-fund shares longer than otherwise?
Dave
sugarandspice
Well-known member
sugarandspice said:
Please will someone start poking holes in this idea. I know that if Sugar sees one of you telling her what a stupid idea this is that she will not do it. I can't control her all the time and I dont want our money getting invested haphazardly in some cockamamie scheme SHE thought of.
I constantly have to hear about "Fundsurfer said this or Wheels said that tsptalk suggested," so I know once someone, anyone slams this she will drop it.
P.S. Sugar, thats right it's me. You forgot to cut out my will. My will to survive. Regardless of what you think, I am the best thing you have going for you.
Re: Hold It
The choice is yours to hold or sell. In my case, I have left only 30% in the I-fund since last Friday. The rest is in G. All of this is speculative and may not happen at all. However, I am waiting to see if the U.S. markets go down further this week. If that should occur, I would go back to the I-fund at lower levels and ride it up again. Its not easy, but I am hoping for a further correction in order to go back into the I-fund. Perhaps this will not happen this week, but the idea is to wait for the U.S. markets to drop and become oversold. Good Luck!Dave M said:
sugarandspice
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Well my suspicions were correct has an FV of .11 cents was taken today. Closing price was $19.52. I jumped in for tomorrow and now I will benefit from todays gains. If I tanks tomorrow I wont lose as much and if it gains I get the add-on. Of course this will need to be further researched as to how the markets react and I will only look at Mondays.
Again I fund Up.03 cents to 19.52
I'm thinking that the main reason was the market giving back big late pulling down the I find pay-off.
Again I fund Up.03 cents to 19.52
I'm thinking that the main reason was the market giving back big late pulling down the I find pay-off.
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sugarandspice
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Everything seemed to start at 12:30 eastern today. Dollar tanked but recoverd later and the market started its gradual but hard slide down.
Reasons?
Reasons?
Gilligan
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Show-me
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Nikkei 300 list of companies.
Here is a link for the Nikkei 300 companies. Three pages worth.
http://www.nni.nikkei.co.jp/CF/FR/MK...cfm?INDEX=N300
http://tinyurl.com/l3eef
Here is a link for the Nikkei 300 companies. Three pages worth.
http://www.nni.nikkei.co.jp/CF/FR/MK...cfm?INDEX=N300
http://tinyurl.com/l3eef
Gilligan and Show-me,I saved the ling to the NIKKEI 300 that Gilligan posted for future reference, as well as the links posted by Show-me. However, I am missing something. Is this index the one that is most directly mirrowing the I-fund, or does it mirror the Japanese stocks used by Barclays? Are these companies Big Caps, medium, or small Caps? Are these part of what becomes the EAFE index?
Show-me
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sponsor said:
1. At one time the I Fund info. sheet claimed the Nikkei 300 was the standard. It has changed at some point in the last year of to.
2. If you look at the list I linked, it would appear to be mostly large cap. Take a look at the top 10. All biggies!
3. Yes, give or take a few companies.
I would guess that the fund changes slightly from year to year. They pulled the "Nikkei 300" reference because ,maybe, they have drifted away from that exact mix of companies. I would guess that it is still very close because making a very drastic change would have been noted in some way........I hope.
Clear as mud I'm sure. lol Hope it helps.
Thank you Show-me! It does help. Now, what is the procedure here. Do you use the daily price and percentage performance to add the results to the European indices or is there some other computation involved? (I am aware that some esoterics or better yet, some voodo magic, is involved which clouds the precise calculation, but please give me your best estimate of the situation. Thanks again.Show-me said:
Show-me
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sponsor said:
I have to be honest.......I'm to lazy to try and figure that out. lol I just wait for the share price to post. I try not to fight it because many have in the past and it can be very frustrating. Just remember the trend is your friend and some days FV will get you and you will get FV.
The indicator that Gilligan uses and his "Kentucky windage" seems to be spot on.
Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
PPI 0.1%
Core 0.3%
Because the PPI numbers were tame, the Dollar is dropping against the EURO and the YEN. I heard from Bloomberg TV that the CPI numbers which are coming out tomorrow, will be more important to determine inflation containment and expectations by investors as to what the FED might do next time. Although this is a volatile week in part because we have options expiration on Friday, I am considering increasing my position in the I-fund to approximately 70% either today or tomorrow.The trend that has the International indexes responding directly to what the stock markets in the U.S. do, appears to be intact; that is, if we rally, Europe and Japan usually follow suit. The reason I don't go for 100% percent yet, is because some very respected market analysts opine that some additional downside correction is still in the cards for later this week, or early next week. By keeping some dry powder ready, I could transfer the rest later, at theoretically lower prices. I am counting on a lower relative price of the Dollar in relation to other currencies kicking-in, near where we are, and responding to the idea that the FED might not raise rates next time if there are no inflationary pressures. On the other hand we should keep an eye on the inflation in the EUROZONE, which, according to an article that was posted here this morning, might be accelatating -- and this factor could force the ECB to raise their rates, thereby making the EURO rise against the Dollar. Of course, this scenario, if it comes to fruition will be quite positive to us in the I-fund. Moreover, if the Doillar keeps dropping this might offset any direct loss in prices in the EFA, or FSIIX (I am thinking of the impact of Fair Value (FV)).Ideas are welcome! I will appreciate that others criticize my opinion. If there are flaws involved in the rationale, we can correct these in time!
sugarandspice
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If you are in the I fund now you are still owed .11 cents. If the day keeps like it is then it should be a good pay day today if they tack on the FV. My feeling is that U.S.markets will hold up today and the FV will be applied and we I funders will have a nice pay day. And maybe overseas will be all happy with the action here and get on board for 1 more day. I'll probably stay for Wed. and get out. I'm swimming in the wait'n sea right now.
Last time the I fund was over 20.00 bucks was on May 16th. I think after today we will be pretty close if not over. That would be .48 cents per share gain. Well, maybe thats a little wishful thinking.
Last time the I fund was over 20.00 bucks was on May 16th. I think after today we will be pretty close if not over. That would be .48 cents per share gain. Well, maybe thats a little wishful thinking.
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