Ask James48843

[Buster]

Ask Buster if he is going to trade in that Hummer?

Why don't you ask me directly..instead of you asking someone else to ask me for you?

BTW..My Hummer gets 19-20 MPG average, so it doesn't qualify even if I wanted to trade it, which I don't...Again, your assumed facts are skewed:suspicious:

 

[nnuut]

WRONG!!!!!!

back away from the Cool-aid jug, before any drips on you..I'm sensing Mass Hysteria here :suspicious:

They are not destroying the WHOLE car, only the internal parts of the engine..which are usually worn out anyway..the rest of the car is still salvagable, right down to the lug nuts..


Geeezz!

Well EXCUSE ME, but I don't agree, it goes deeper than you think. Now pull that wedgie out of your butt and get back to work, that screaming is hurting my ears!!! AANNDD I wish I did have some of that Cool-Aid, You, you Energy Drink Drinker - you!!:laugh:

 

[Birchtree]

Ask Buster if he is going to trade in that Hummer?

 

[Buster]

Buster,

They are destroying the secondary used car market by scrapping them out.

No they are Not...Only the total junkers that barely run and are beyond salvage..

RULES: To qualify, purchasers must turn in a car or light truck that gets no more than 18 miles per gallon, and buy or lease a vehiTo qualify, purchasers must turn in a car or light truck that gets no more than 18 miles per gallon, and buy or lease a vehicle that gets at least 22 mpg. The mileage standards refer to a model's combined city-highway mpg as rated by the Environmental Protection Agency. The vehicle also must be less than 25 years old.cle that gets at least 22 mpg. The mileage standards refer to a model's combined city-highway mpg as rated by the Environmental Protection Agency. The vehicle also must be less than 25 years old.

Clunkers’ engines can’t be resold
Automotive recyclers cannot sell the engine of a Cash for Clunkers car. As part of the program, the engines must be disabled with sodium silicate, or liquid glass. This requirement has prompted protest by the Automotive Recyclers Association because engines comprise 30 percent to 35 percent of sales for the group’s members.....Many parts of a car can be recycled. For instance, when a vehicle goes to an automotive recycler, the hazardous fluids are drained and can be reused

http://www.rockymountainindependent.com/2009/08/clunkers-wont-be-headed-to-the-junkyard/

 

[Show-me]

Buster,

They are destroying the secondary used car market by scrapping them out.

 

[Show-me]

Free market will take care of you and your old car. Just ask O'Rielly's, AutoZone, PepBoyz, Parts America, Napa, and any salvage yard.

I own two 1990 Ford trucks, a 1989 Chevy Celebrity, a 1990 Toyota Corolla, and a 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan. No problem getting any parts for any of them and I do not buy OEM unless I have to.

 

[Buster]

I'm with you on this one Birchtree!!! Plenty of salvage yards going to be laying off employees. (come on, how many empoyees are you talking about? 12 maybe nation wide?) How about companies that rebuild car parts for resale, at Auto Parts Stores and on line. Do you think that will help the employment numbers? (Can't see where if any would be affected at all..they don't resell used engines unless they have been Completely rebuilt)

WRONG!!!!!!

back away from the Cool-aid jug, before any drips on you..I'm sensing Mass Hysteria here :suspicious:

They are not destroying the WHOLE car, only the internal parts of the engine..which are usually worn out anyway..the rest of the car is still salvagable, right down to the lug nuts..


Geeezz!

 

[alevin]

I learned years ago (with respect to my 7+yr old SLR 35mm camera) that mfrs. by law only needed to provide parts for durable equipment 7yrs old or younger. Since my Nissan pu is 14 yrs old, I'm livin' on borrowed time already with respect to used parts, but I'll keep it and run it as long as I possibly can. Still cheaper operating than buying new anything, including insurance. By the time I'm forced to buy replacement, maybe I'll have at least half the cash price saved up. Might buy one of those electrified bicycles for work commute. ONLY $8K!

 

[Birchtree]

You hit the nail on the head - buying a car they probably can't afford. The repo man will be busy you can bet on that.

 

[Show-me]

Of course the White House knows this, as does Congress and the auto industry.

This is about make'n money. Nothing more. Take'n from the rich and give'n it away as a incentive to go into debt for a car you probably can't afford.

 

[nnuut]

There are many less fortunate folks out there that need transportation - why not give them these clunkers. This would help some looking for work to get around. This stupid policy is wasting good assets that still have viable benefits for the less fortunate and younger workers - we can live with a little air polution. The elites are fools.

I'm with you on this one Birchtree!!! Plenty of salvage yards going to be laying off employees. How about companies that rebuild car parts for resale, at Auto Parts Stores and on line. Do you think that will help the employment numbers? My daughter is looking for a used car right now and is playing hell trying to find something for $6,000 bucks! What is their next move, forcing you to junk your car when it gets 7 years old? OH! MAN!!! Somebody STOP ME!!!:nuts::nuts:

 

[Show-me]

Here is a question. Which is easier on the enviorment? Drive the wheels off of the existing cars or build new cars?

http://www.theconglomerate.org/2008/07/car-talk.html

July 02, 2008
Car Talk
Posted by Fred Tung
A couple of car-related items:
First, about hybrid cars . . . .
Christine and Gordon's recent hybrid car postings (Highlander for Christine; Prius for Gordon) got me thinking. You see, my family lives in a Prius-rich environment. Literally about a third of our friends have at least one Prius in the family, and one family has two--and they are Prius proselytizers as well. We, on other hand, drive a couple of relatively old, relatively guzzly cars. The efficient one is a 12-year-old Volvo, which gets about 15 mpg in city driving. The other is a 10-year-old Lexus SUV (the big one), which gets about 10 mpg (with a tailwind). When I get self-conscious about our old guzzlers, my defense mechanisms cause me to speculate about whether buying a new hybrid is as green as generally believed. Specifically, the manufacture of a new car--even a really fuel-efficient one--must leave a pretty big carbon footprint, right? All that steel and shipping! Is it possible we'd be better off just keeping our old cars forever and repairing them as needed, as they do in Cuba?
Turns out, building a new Prius requires 113 million BTUs of energy. So compared to an existing car, in carbon footprint terms, a new Prius has already consumed 1,000 gallons of gasoline before it rolls off the showroom floor! Instead of a new Prius, buy:
i. a 1998 Toyota Tercel, which gets about 35 mpg. You'd have to drive the Prius 100,000 miles before you broke even with the old Tercel.
or
ii. a 1994 Geo Metro XFi, which gets the same 46 mpg as the new Prius, but without the carbon overhead. In terms of carbon footprint, the Prius will never catch up.
Of course, odds are that you won't be getting that new-car smell. As one analyst concludes, "You might feel better driving a hybrid, but you won't necessarily be greener."

http://environment.about.com/od/environmentfriendlyautos/a/new_old_cars.htm

And,

Dear EarthTalk: Is it better to drive an older, well-maintained car that gets about 25 miles per gallon, or to buy a new car that gets about 35 miles per gallon? – Edward Peabody, via e-mail
It definitely makes more sense from a green perspective to keep your old car running and well-maintained as long as you can—especially if it’s getting such good mileage. There are significant environmental costs to both manufacturing a new automobile and adding your old car to the ever-growing collective junk heap.

 

[nnuut]

bingo!

I'll DOUBLE that BINGO!!

 

[Show-me]

And, what you want to bet they are just drying up inventory and no blue collar folks will get hired back.

Two thirds consumer driven economy has got to have a job.

 

[Show-me]

In my State you have to pass a safety inspection. If they drove them into the dealer, they are safe. What makes them unsafe? Brakes, tires, turn and brake lights, head light, wipers, seat belts. Doesn't have to be pretty or new, just functional.

Because they don't just give out thiese clunkers..Is that they are for the most part, barely driveable and safe to be on the road anyway..I don't want my insurance rates going up more to cover their accidents in those rolling death traps....course, the crappy economy they get would be also be counter productive to these POOR FOLKs who already don't have enough to afford a bus ticket, let alone trying to keep a gas guzzler running...

 

[Show-me]

yeah, i heard him make the point that we are a nation who spends well above our means, which is what got us in trouble, yet this program pushes people to sell workable, fully paid for, vehicles, to trade them in for another big loan.

bingo!

 

[Show-me]

I sure wish I could buy one of those sweet clunkers. Good assets being wasted. I buy nothing but used vehicles and now they are artificially drying up the used car market with tax payer money so that a tax payer owned company like GM can sell cars and give out bonuses. Brilliant!

And, I'm screwed because all the "clunkers" increased in value due to low supply.

Thank you Congress and Mr. President for screwing my not once but three times. GM bailout, consumer bailout, and for artificially effecting the market.

When will government stay out of free enterprise?

 

[tsptalk]

3. Peter Schiff says that consumption has been our country's problem over the last 15 years. He says we should saving our money and producing goods that people in other countries will buy from us.

Yeah, I heard him make the point that we are a nation who spends well above our means, which is what got us in trouble, yet this program pushes people to sell workable, fully paid for, vehicles, to trade them in for another big loan.

 

[Buster]

There are many less fortunate folks out there that need transportation - why not give them these clunkers. This would help some looking for work to get around. This stupid policy is wasting good assets that still have viable benefits for the less fortunate and younger workers - we can live with a little air polution. The elites are fools.

Because they don't just give out thiese clunkers..Is that they are for the most part, barely driveable and safe to be on the road anyway..I don't want my insurance rates going up more to cover their accidents in those rolling death traps....course, the crappy economy they get would be also be counter productive to these POOR FOLKs who already don't have enough to afford a bus ticket, let alone trying to keep a gas guzzler running...

 

[Birchtree]

There are many less fortunate folks out there that need transportation - why not give them these clunkers. This would help some looking for work to get around. This stupid policy is wasting good assets that still have viable benefits for the less fortunate and younger workers - we can live with a little air polution. The elites are fools.