Buster
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Eggzackly..Bottom line for me on this issue: I don't care if he smokes. He should respect the White House and not do it inside, but other than that, smoke 'em if you got 'em Barry!
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Eggzackly..Bottom line for me on this issue: I don't care if he smokes. He should respect the White House and not do it inside, but other than that, smoke 'em if you got 'em Barry!
Some people deserve the clunkers they drive plain and simple.
James, What do you think of the Cash4Clunkers program?
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/dealers-race-to-get-their-clunkers-crushed/?hp
> First, I wish it was only for American made cars. Or at least cars with at least 50% North American content.
> I'd say that is a better investment - those 3 billion total, than any of the other bailout money's proposed.
...Peter Schiff says that consumption has been our country's problem over the last 15 years. He says we should saving our money and producing goods that people in other countries will buy from us.
I generally agree with you and especially with your 2 above statements.
My main problems with C4Cs are:
1. Destroying the engine and the rest of the car. Cars are the most recycled consumer item in the US. Those parts could have been used for repairing other people's cars. This will definitely cause a shortage of car salvage parts and increase the costs for people who can't afford a new (or nearly new) car.
A lot of those are probably better cars than some people drive. (My main auto for the last year has been a early-90s Chevy truck that I bought for $2700 from a VW dealer where somebody traded it in & I'm surprised how much I love it).
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The cars ARE being recycled.
There will be no shortage of salvage parts- this will HELP the salvage market.
Where on earth did you get the idea that the parts were not going to be recycled?
They are being crushed and sold as scrap metal (that will be recycled). They are NOT allowed to remain as car parts. They won't be around to be used as a replacement bumper or a tire rim or a rear bumper. In the future non-wealthy people's cars will be totaled because there no used body parts to fix it with.
My wife wanted to see if her '02 exploder qualified for the rebate. The Chrysler dealer said they are required to pour sand in with the oil and run the engine until it seizes.That is not correct, and I have no idea where you are hearing that.
First of all, a bumper can be disassembled off the turn-in under the law, as can be a tire rim. The ONLY thing specified in the law is that the complete engine cannot be reused. That is one of the points of the law- to get older, less fuel efficient motors out of the system. As far as transmission parts, or rear end parts, or fenders, or bumpers, or anything else, there is no change to the rules, and this will actually mean an INCREASE in the number of "spare parts" floating around the system.
The dealer handling the trade in may take and recycle any part,EXCEPT the engine block itself. The engine is the only thing that is required to be scrapped.
Here is the language from the law:
"(B) SAVINGS PROVISION- Nothing in subparagraph (A) may be construed to preclude a person who is responsible for ensuring that the vehicle is crushed or shredded from-
(i)selling any parts of the disposed vehicle other than the engine block and drive train (unless with respect to the drive train, the transmission, drive shaft, or rear end are sold as separate parts."
The wording is "Nothing ..to preclude a person ..from selling any parts..."
Here is a link to the law: http://www.cars.gov/files/CARS-Law.pdf
Where are you getting your information that parts cannot be recycled?
Because they don't just give out thiese clunkers..Is that they are for the most part, barely driveable and safe to be on the road anyway..I don't want my insurance rates going up more to cover their accidents in those rolling death traps....course, the crappy economy they get would be also be counter productive to these POOR FOLKs who already don't have enough to afford a bus ticket, let alone trying to keep a gas guzzler running...There are many less fortunate folks out there that need transportation - why not give them these clunkers. This would help some looking for work to get around. This stupid policy is wasting good assets that still have viable benefits for the less fortunate and younger workers - we can live with a little air polution. The elites are fools.
Yeah, I heard him make the point that we are a nation who spends well above our means, which is what got us in trouble, yet this program pushes people to sell workable, fully paid for, vehicles, to trade them in for another big loan.3. Peter Schiff says that consumption has been our country's problem over the last 15 years. He says we should saving our money and producing goods that people in other countries will buy from us.
yeah, i heard him make the point that we are a nation who spends well above our means, which is what got us in trouble, yet this program pushes people to sell workable, fully paid for, vehicles, to trade them in for another big loan.
Because they don't just give out thiese clunkers..Is that they are for the most part, barely driveable and safe to be on the road anyway..I don't want my insurance rates going up more to cover their accidents in those rolling death traps....course, the crappy economy they get would be also be counter productive to these POOR FOLKs who already don't have enough to afford a bus ticket, let alone trying to keep a gas guzzler running...