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James48843 said:
Nnuutt- the used car market is virtually untouched by cash for clunkers. There are plenty of fine used cars for sale for a decent price, you just have to look around.

I send my friends to the GSA website for used G Cars for sale for a great price. http://www.autoauctions.gsa.gov/index.cfm

You can attend an auction in person, and get a better deal than you can at any local retail dealer. They go for generally below retail, and usually come with remaining factory warranty in many cases. You can find a lot of cars in the $6K price range.

Now, you won't find many Cameros. But you will find nice 2005 Dodge Stratus's for $6K. And many Chevrolet 2004 or 2005 Malibus for that price. Some even quite a bit less. Take a look at the on-line listings, and you get a general idea of the prices. Attend an auction in person, and you can walk away with an even better deal.
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Really I've been there before,usually they don't sell them until their junk unless they have changed their policies.
 
Show-me said:
Someone could have bought it cheap and use it to live out of or I could use it as a work truck. Instead the tax payer paid to disable it. What's the return on that?
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That would be just one person it may have kept from being homeless for a while...but building a NEW CAR takes dozens of EMPLOYED tax paying workers, not to mention all the supporting infrastructure industry that goes to supporting the car assembly plant...;)


"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
 
Buster said:
We are both correct..the cars taken in on this plan will be forever disabled as a unit, but salvageable for parts..I thought that was the thrust of this discussion; "that the car would be totally worthless, even for parts", which is not the case..But you are right in your point of view, the car can not be resold as a running car anymore...SO what?..Clunker in my mind means exactly that..it will take more money to get it working and running safe and correctly than it's worth as a whole....So why not put someone in a extremely discounted car with years of factory warranty and very little car payment (much less than it would take to keep the clunker running) and burns far less fuel..and pollutes far less because of the improved emission standards and equip.

Where the hell are all the
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I buy cars that don't require "payments". Care to supplement my budget?

My Toyota Corolla was bought and paid for with $1200 in April of 2004 and I am still driving it to work and made two trips to Norman, OK with it.
 
James48843 said:
Buster-

What year, and what engine, is your H3?

Cash for Clunker qualification goes by the EPA rating- and the 2008 H3 with the 5 cylinder 3.7 liter says it gets an EPA rating of 15 MPG, thereby qualifying.

Here is the EPA data for a 2008:



Not that you would be interested in turning in your H3 for only $4500, but it WOULD be a qualifier. I guess you'll just have to stick it out for a while and enjoy your H3 while you still can. I hear the price of gasoline may be back north of $5 a gallon by this time next year. That's what some folks are saying, anyway.​
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Forget about my HUMMER for cripe sakes..It ain't a clunker and it serves but me and a public service in bad weather to my community..

It's a 2006 tweaked for better economy and more power..I won't bother anyone with the details of the modifications I've done to it..but suffice to say, it puts out 265 HP (Dyno-checked) and gets even better mileage now than stock as I said below in an earlier post.

I trust my facts from Motor Trend. http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2006/hummer/h3/index.html

2006 HUMMER H3 Performance & Efficiency Standard Features



3,460 cc 3.5 liters in-line 5 front engine with 93 mm bore, 102 mm stroke, 10 compression ratio, double overhead cam, variable valve timing/camshaft and four valves per cylinder L52

Unleaded fuel 87


Fuel economy EPA highway (mpg): 20



and EPA city (mpg): 16


Multi-point injection fuel system


23 gallon main unleaded fuel tank


Power: 164 kW , 220 HP SAE @ 5,600 rpm; 225 ft lb , 305 Nm @ 2,800 rpm
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By my math, it's iffy if it qualifies.
 
James48843 said:
I send my friends to the GSA website for used G Cars for sale for a great price. http://www.autoauctions.gsa.gov/index.cfm

You can attend an auction in person, and get a better deal than you can at any local retail dealer. They go for generally below retail, and usually come with remaining factory warranty in many cases. You can find a lot of cars in the $6K price range.
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Question: If you don't go look at the car (they probably don't let you take it to a mechanic), you are spending money for a 'pig in a poke'. If you go and check it out and the bidding goes higher than you think it's worth, then you have wasted the day. Right?
 
Buster said:
Why don't you ask me directly..instead of you asking someone else to ask me for you?

BTW..My Hummer gets 19-20 MPG average, so it doesn't qualify even if I wanted to trade it, which I don't...Again, your assumed facts are skewed:suspicious:
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Buster-

What year, and what engine, is your H3?

Cash for Clunker qualification goes by the EPA rating- and the 2008 H3 with the 5 cylinder 3.7 liter says it gets an EPA rating of 15 MPG, thereby qualifying.

Here is the EPA data for a 2008:

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Not that you would be interested in turning in your H3 for only $4500, but it WOULD be a qualifier. I guess you'll just have to stick it out for a while and enjoy your H3 while you still can. I hear the price of gasoline may be back north of $5 a gallon by this time next year. That's what some folks are saying, anyway.​
 
nnuut said:
This is just part of the Automakers Bailout , someone is going to pay for it, in some cases twice.:cool: Just pulled that out of my Wedgie!!:D
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I can see where it appears to be part of the ORIGINAL AUTOMAKER BAILOUT...But as you know, FORD declined any bailout monies and therefore was excluded from any assistance....NOW however, this Cash for Clunker thing was just a fluke and a last minute idea that actually worked for all automakers, with huge results in the First weekend of the plan (I have to agree with Jimbo, I wish it was just for American car deals)..Dealerships are booming and employees are getting commissions again, service/parts departments are gearing up again, etc., etc.,..What?:blink:..wait a minute, that sounds like gainful employment...are you sure we aren't in the same book, but just on different pages?..:laugh:
 
Show-me said:
Like I said, they are destroying the used car market. I CAN NOT buy one of these USED CARS because they have to disable the engine and sell the unit for salvage. Salvage means they pull all the part that have resale or core value and then crush the tin that is left over. No one is going to be driving any of these car legally if I understand the program correctly.

Add another $2 billion and it gets worse while the executives of the auto makers make payroll.
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We are both correct..the cars taken in on this plan will be forever disabled as a unit, but salvageable for parts..I thought that was the thrust of this discussion; "that the car would be totally worthless, even for parts", which is not the case..But you are right in your point of view, the car can not be resold as a running car anymore...SO what?..Clunker in my mind means exactly that..it will take more money to get it working and running safe and correctly than it's worth as a whole....So why not put someone in a extremely discounted car with years of factory warranty and very little car payment (much less than it would take to keep the clunker running) and burns far less fuel..and pollutes far less because of the improved emission standards and equip.

Where the hell are all the
treehugger-1.gif
when you need them?
 
Nnuutt- the used car market is virtually untouched by cash for clunkers. There are plenty of fine used cars for sale for a decent price, you just have to look around.

I send my friends to the GSA website for used G Cars for sale for a great price. http://www.autoauctions.gsa.gov/index.cfm

You can attend an auction in person, and get a better deal than you can at any local retail dealer. They go for generally below retail, and usually come with remaining factory warranty in many cases. You can find a lot of cars in the $6K price range.

Now, you won't find many Cameros. But you will find nice 2005 Dodge Stratus's for $6K. And many Chevrolet 2004 or 2005 Malibus for that price. Some even quite a bit less. Take a look at the on-line listings, and you get a general idea of the prices. Attend an auction in person, and you can walk away with an even better deal.
 
But just think how clean our air will be to breath. It's the liberal answer and there is more foolishness to come.
 
Buster said:
No they are Not...Only the total junkers that barely run and are beyond salvage..

RULES: To qualify, purchasers must turn in a car or light truck that gets no more than 18 miles per gallon, and buy or lease a vehiTo qualify, purchasers must turn in a car or light truck that gets no more than 18 miles per gallon, and buy or lease a vehicle that gets at least 22 mpg. The mileage standards refer to a model's combined city-highway mpg as rated by the Environmental Protection Agency. The vehicle also must be less than 25 years old.cle that gets at least 22 mpg. The mileage standards refer to a model's combined city-highway mpg as rated by the Environmental Protection Agency. The vehicle also must be less than 25 years old.


http://www.rockymountainindependent.com/2009/08/clunkers-wont-be-headed-to-the-junkyard/
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Like I said, they are destroying the used car market. I CAN NOT buy one of these USED CARS because they have to disable the engine and sell the unit for salvage. Salvage means they pull all the part that have resale or core value and then crush the tin that is left over. No one is going to be driving any of these car legally if I understand the program correctly.

Add another $2 billion and it gets worse while the executives of the auto makers make payroll.
 
Buster said:
No wedgies here:D..just tired of everyone running for the cool-aid with ill-gotten assumptions..I know how deep it goes..do you really know? I don't thinks so, judging by what you said earlier.
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This is just part of the Automakers Bailout , someone is going to pay for it, in some cases twice.:cool: Just pulled that out of my Wedgie!!:D
 
nnuut said:
Well EXCUSE ME, but I don't agree, it goes deeper than you think. Now pull that wedgie out of your butt and get back to work, that screaming is hurting my ears!!!:laugh:
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No wedgies here:D..just tired of everyone running for the cool-aid with ill-gotten assumptions..I know how deep it goes..do you really know? I don't thinks so, judging by what you said earlier.
 
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