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[James48843]

Why don't you ask me directly..instead of you asking someone else to ask me for you?

BTW..My Hummer gets 19-20 MPG average, so it doesn't qualify even if I wanted to trade it, which I don't...Again, your assumed facts are skewed:suspicious:

Buster-

What year, and what engine, is your H3?

Cash for Clunker qualification goes by the EPA rating- and the 2008 H3 with the 5 cylinder 3.7 liter says it gets an EPA rating of 15 MPG, thereby qualifying.

Here is the EPA data for a 2008:

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Not that you would be interested in turning in your H3 for only $4500, but it WOULD be a qualifier. I guess you'll just have to stick it out for a while and enjoy your H3 while you still can. I hear the price of gasoline may be back north of $5 a gallon by this time next year. That's what some folks are saying, anyway.​

 

[McDuck]

I send my friends to the GSA website for used G Cars for sale for a great price. http://www.autoauctions.gsa.gov/index.cfm

You can attend an auction in person, and get a better deal than you can at any local retail dealer. They go for generally below retail, and usually come with remaining factory warranty in many cases. You can find a lot of cars in the $6K price range.

Question: If you don't go look at the car (they probably don't let you take it to a mechanic), you are spending money for a 'pig in a poke'. If you go and check it out and the bidding goes higher than you think it's worth, then you have wasted the day. Right?

 

[McDuck]

I send my friends to the GSA website for used G Cars for sale for a great price. http://www.autoauctions.gsa.gov/index.cfm

Of all the cars listed, there are no Toyotas and only one Honda.

 

[James48843]

Of all the cars listed, there are no Toyotas and only one Honda.

Damn right.

How did that Honda get in there, anyway?

 

[James48843]

For your enjoyment- the death of a clunker engine, captured on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OhW9u9R49w&feature=player_embedded


It took over 40 minutes, with no oil, to kill the engine.

Of course, the other parts are still usable- should someone want the doors, hood, etc.

 

[Buster]

Buster-

What year, and what engine, is your H3?

Cash for Clunker qualification goes by the EPA rating- and the 2008 H3 with the 5 cylinder 3.7 liter says it gets an EPA rating of 15 MPG, thereby qualifying.

Here is the EPA data for a 2008:

Not that you would be interested in turning in your H3 for only $4500, but it WOULD be a qualifier. I guess you'll just have to stick it out for a while and enjoy your H3 while you still can. I hear the price of gasoline may be back north of $5 a gallon by this time next year. That's what some folks are saying, anyway.​

Forget about my HUMMER for cripe sakes..It ain't a clunker and it serves but me and a public service in bad weather to my community..

It's a 2006 tweaked for better economy and more power..I won't bother anyone with the details of the modifications I've done to it..but suffice to say, it puts out 265 HP (Dyno-checked) and gets even better mileage now than stock as I said below in an earlier post.

I trust my facts from Motor Trend. http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2006/hummer/h3/index.html

2006 HUMMER H3 Performance & Efficiency Standard Features



3,460 cc 3.5 liters in-line 5 front engine with 93 mm bore, 102 mm stroke, 10 compression ratio, double overhead cam, variable valve timing/camshaft and four valves per cylinder L52

Unleaded fuel 87


Fuel economy EPA highway (mpg): 20



and EPA city (mpg): 16


Multi-point injection fuel system


23 gallon main unleaded fuel tank


Power: 164 kW , 220 HP SAE @ 5,600 rpm; 225 ft lb , 305 Nm @ 2,800 rpm

By my math, it's iffy if it qualifies.

 

[Show-me]

We are both correct..the cars taken in on this plan will be forever disabled as a unit, but salvageable for parts..I thought that was the thrust of this discussion; "that the car would be totally worthless, even for parts", which is not the case..But you are right in your point of view, the car can not be resold as a running car anymore...SO what?..Clunker in my mind means exactly that..it will take more money to get it working and running safe and correctly than it's worth as a whole....So why not put someone in a extremely discounted car with years of factory warranty and very little car payment (much less than it would take to keep the clunker running) and burns far less fuel..and pollutes far less because of the improved emission standards and equip.

Where the hell are all the

when you need them?

I buy cars that don't require "payments". Care to supplement my budget?

My Toyota Corolla was bought and paid for with $1200 in April of 2004 and I am still driving it to work and made two trips to Norman, OK with it.

 

[Show-me]

Someone could have bought it cheap and use it to live out of or I could use it as a work truck. Instead the tax payer paid to disable it. What's the return on that?

For your enjoyment- the death of a clunker engine, captured on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OhW9u9R49w&feature=player_embedded


It took over 40 minutes, with no oil, to kill the engine.

Of course, the other parts are still usable- should someone want the doors, hood, etc.

 

[Buster]

For your enjoyment- the death of a clunker engine, captured on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OhW9u9R49w&feature=player_embedded


It took over 40 minutes, with no oil, to kill the engine.

Of course, the other parts are still usable- should someone want the doors, hood, etc.

It must of had Castrol Syntec oil in before they trashed it...:toung:

 

[McDuck]

For your enjoyment- the death of a clunker engine, captured on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OhW9u9R49w&feature=player_embedded

To me it is sad to intentionally destroy something. I see a real analogy between this video and what the BHO regime is doing.

 

[Buster]

Someone could have bought it cheap and use it to live out of or I could use it as a work truck. Instead the tax payer paid to disable it. What's the return on that?

That would be just one person it may have kept from being homeless for a while...but building a NEW CAR takes dozens of EMPLOYED tax paying workers, not to mention all the supporting infrastructure industry that goes to supporting the car assembly plant...


"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

 

[James48843]

Besides- someone can STILL live in it. They just can't go anywhere......

 

[nnuut]

Nnuutt- the used car market is virtually untouched by cash for clunkers. There are plenty of fine used cars for sale for a decent price, you just have to look around.

I send my friends to the GSA website for used G Cars for sale for a great price. http://www.autoauctions.gsa.gov/index.cfm

You can attend an auction in person, and get a better deal than you can at any local retail dealer. They go for generally below retail, and usually come with remaining factory warranty in many cases. You can find a lot of cars in the $6K price range.

Now, you won't find many Cameros. But you will find nice 2005 Dodge Stratus's for $6K. And many Chevrolet 2004 or 2005 Malibus for that price. Some even quite a bit less. Take a look at the on-line listings, and you get a general idea of the prices. Attend an auction in person, and you can walk away with an even better deal.

Really I've been there before,usually they don't sell them until their junk unless they have changed their policies.

 

[Buster]

I buy cars that don't require "payments". Care to supplement my budget?

My Toyota Corolla was bought and paid for with $1200 in April of 2004 and I am still driving it to work and made two trips to Norman, OK with it.

Well, atta boy ..that's you..and I agree with you if that's your way of owning cars..I see no problem with it...But like myself..a lot of other people also like a new car smell once in a while and no warranty issues....This translates to "worry free motoring"..maybe you don't see it that way...but others do..


Next time you make it to OK..you had better let me know in advance...

 

[nnuut]

Well, atta boy Norm..that's you..and I agree with you if that's your way of owning cars..I see no problem with it...But like myself..a lot of other people also like a new car smell once in a while and no warranty issues....This translates to "worry free motoring"..maybe you don't see it that way...but others do..


Next time you make it to OK..you had better let me know in advance...

I have a 1995 Nissan truck with 96,000 miles on it that I plan to drive another 100,000 been paid for a long time!! And a 2004 4Runner with 35,000 miles owe a year to payoff, I'll drive it until the wheels fall off!! But that's just me, frugal!! Call me cheap if you like, I love it!! View attachment 6634

 

[Show-me]

those cars are already made. Many autoworkers are laid off and probably won't get called back for a very long time as they sell off the excess inventory. The ones that are working will work a lot of over time before they hire back workers.

That would be just one person it may have kept from being homeless for a while...but building a NEW CAR takes dozens of EMPLOYED tax paying workers, not to mention all the supporting infrastructure industry that goes to supporting the car assembly plant...


"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

 

[Show-me]

Well, atta boy ..that's you..and I agree with you if that's your way of owning cars..I see no problem with it...But like myself..a lot of other people also like a new car smell once in a while and no warranty issues....This translates to "worry free motoring"..maybe you don't see it that way...but others do..


Next time you make it to OK..you had better let me know in advance...

That's great if you like a new car smell, don't use tax payer money to supplement that fix.

We are going down a slippery slope of supplement everything for the greater good of what ever. When does it stop? Where is the money?

I say we should have never started. I was against the "banking sector" bail out, I'm against the auto maker bail out, I'm against the cash for clunkers, against farm subsidize, against foreign aid, against supplementing anything that can't make it in the free market. Use what we got fully then get another one, when the wheels fall off.

And, I'm sick and tired of see folks on food assistance buying steak while I shop the sales. This is the road we are going down and it is ridiculous.

I will look you up the next time I go to Norman. You're driving. :nuts:

 

[Buster]

To me it is sad to intentionally destroy something. I see a real analogy between this video and what the BHO regime is doing.

I couldn't agree more..

But I guess we've all been dancing around the real issue here, I'm sure you all see it..The Socialboma plan is to eliminate all the old time gas guzzlers (I'm sure HUMMER included, or else GM would not have gave up on the HUMMER brand, had it not been for Uncle Sam twisting their arms if they wanted the Bailout money..it's under the table extortion I tell you) Encourage a green car mentality with the Left and Right and eventually reduce the need for gasoline, so not have to drill here in the NA continent anymore and continue to buy it from OPEC, also keeping the treehuggers off his back, because they won't have to see oil rigs out on the horizon from their Malibu beach home..With that comes Higher priced fuel to make up the PROFIT differences the oil companies are losing because of fuel stingy hybrids..So yes, IMO, the whole idea of "Cash for Clunkers" has a very deep hidden agenda, besides the surface value we are seeing from it now, short term.

Great discussion guys..I'm out

 

[nasa1974]

Geez guys,

Take a drink of your favorite juice and relax. Man everyone is so up tight we are going to need back rubs all around. Call in the back walkers. :nuts:

 

[Buster]

I have a 1995 Nissan truck with 96,000 miles on it that I plan to drive another 100,000 been paid for a long time!! And a 2004 4Runner with 35,000 miles owe a year to payoff, I'll drive it until the wheels fall off!! But that's just me, frugal!! Call me cheap if you like, I love it!! View attachment 6634

By The Way..do you have any Grey Poupon?