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I just hate that I don't understand the graphs that much, I mean I get the buy low sell high idea, but how does one use graphs from past data to judge what tomorrow brings :(. I saw something that showed what day of the month stocks usually bring and yesterday I believe it was like 40% in the green or something lol and we know what happen there.

im thinking about keeping mine in this 70 g and 30 in other funds until we have another few days in the red then I guess try my luck at going 70/80 percent in the S or I. Hate to lose though even though I have years and years to go. I have to relax when I lose a few hundred lol if I was to jump all in and lose a grand or more I probably would take some vacation time lol.
 
Yes, you are correct, the tsptalk.com home page says W4500. Tsp.gov is the 'official' site.

It sounds to me like our web page that we are currently on now needs to update that link. Thank you for your clarification.

Frank

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DWCP and DWCPF - the difference

You could read all of that, or you could click on my $EMW link and be done with it.

Things sure are getting complicated. Maybe this will help clear things up.

Thanks for the information re: DWCP, but it may be confusing as the OP was about DWCPF.

$EMW relates to W4500. I don't think the OP is interested in the W4500 with regard to tracking their account value as the S fund doesn't track either $EMW nor the W4500.

Hope this helps.
 
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I just hate that I don't understand the graphs that much, I mean I get the buy low sell high idea, but how does one use graphs from past data to judge what tomorrow brings :(. I saw something that showed what day of the month stocks usually bring and yesterday I believe it was like 40% in the green or something lol and we know what happen there.

im thinking about keeping mine in this 70 g and 30 in other funds until we have another few days in the red then I guess try my luck at going 70/80 percent in the S or I. Hate to lose though even though I have years and years to go. I have to relax when I lose a few hundred lol if I was to jump all in and lose a grand or more I probably would take some vacation time lol.

Price is the paint, volume is the pressure of paint, time is the canvas. Just read the TSP blogs every morning, eventually it's all just a game of "connect the dots" the more dots you can connect, the more important the price level is.
 
I just hate that I don't understand the graphs that much, I mean I get the buy low sell high idea, but how does one use graphs from past data to judge what tomorrow brings :(. I saw something that showed what day of the month stocks usually bring and yesterday I believe it was like 40% in the green or something lol and we know what happen there.

im thinking about keeping mine in this 70 g and 30 in other funds until we have another few days in the red then I guess try my luck at going 70/80 percent in the S or I. Hate to lose though even though I have years and years to go. I have to relax when I lose a few hundred lol if I was to jump all in and lose a grand or more I probably would take some vacation time lol.

There are many factors that you should use to decide your risk appetite. How old are you? How long till you retire and will need the money? etc.

If you are young and have many years (2 decades or more) left you will be better off if you keep more money in stocks. Buy and hold, just having a certain amount of every paycheck go into a stock fund and never looking back, will do well for you in the long run. But, here on TSP Talk we try to examine what the market is telling us, and move to safety when the seas ahead are looking rougher. If you can skip the biggest market disasters you will perform better than if you buy and hold. There are some very smart people here that can help a lot. Tom, who runs this site, has a great write-up every day. JTH posts several times per day. There are others, too. I, myself, am much better off for having lurked around here for several years.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about...
Let's say its October 2007 and the market has just hit all-time highs and your acct now has $500,000. Over the next 6 months the economic news is very sour and the market sags 20%. You just lost $100,000 in 6 months. The bad signs are everywhere so you move to the G Fund. By the time its Sept/Oct 2008 the market is incredibly volatile, losing and gaining 10% on single days. You're now glad you are in the G Fund. In March of 2009 the market hits its generational low, losing roughly 57% since the high in Oct 2007. If you had stayed in you would have $215,000 instead of $400,000. All of a sudden losing $100,000 doesn't seem that bad! If you had jumped in the market near that low point and held until now (just 6 years) your $400,000 would now be roughly $1,200,000. That's an ideal example of timing ONLY the biggest events and making very few moves, and ignoring the day-to-day roller coaster aspects of the market. Nobody ever nails things perfectly, of course.

In the same example if you had never exited the market and just rode out the crash you would still have roughly $667,000. That's still more than if you had put everything in the G fund at the Oct 2007 high and were too fearful to ever re-enter the market. Did anyone move to the G Fund in Oct 2007 and fully move back into stocks in March 2009? That would be ideal, but I seriously doubt anyone nailed it that well. Personally, unfounded fear is the reason that I kept moving back into the G fund in 2009 and 2010 and ended up with negative returns in major up years - a big regret of mine!

You have to be in it to win it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and so on. There will be a time in the future when we hit a long-term top and don't return that high for many years. A long-term bear market still has profit opportunities, but market-timing is more important. Its helpful to watch many things at once - the big economic picture, technicals, fundamentals, and other world events. I've found that the riskiest time for the market is ahead of and entering into a recession. Watch the news because there will be many signals as we approach such a stretch.
 
Hi, DWCPF is the symbol for the "Dow Jones U.S. Completion Total Stock Market Index" that is referred to at the TSP.gov site link that you provided. The S fund objective is to match the performance of DWCPF. I believe I have heard someone say that DWCPF is the same as the Wilshire 4500 (since it contains roughly 4500 stocks and excludes the S&P 500 = C Fund = symbol SPX). Someone else may be able to expound on that. DWCPF is supposed to cover everything else not covered by the S&P 500.

Best wishes to everyone on their investments!!! :smile:
 
I just hate that I don't understand the graphs that much, I mean I get the buy low sell high idea, but how does one use graphs from past data to judge what tomorrow brings :(.
Wiff, I'm on my 3rd month since joining this forum and like you I was at a lost. (Though I still have a lot to learn.) But reading the post on a daily basis and reading Tom's (TSPTALK) reports I have learned quite a bit. I understand a heck of a lot more than two months ago. I also just completed the "Candlestick Charting for Dummies". Easy read with plenty of examples to build your foundational knowledge. Investopedia.com is also a great source.
 
Hi, DWCPF is the symbol for the "Dow Jones U.S. Completion Total Stock Market Index" that is referred to at the TSP.gov site link that you provided. The S fund objective is to match the performance of DWCPF. I believe I have heard someone say that DWCPF is the same as the Wilshire 4500 (since it contains roughly 4500 stocks and excludes the S&P 500 = C Fund = symbol SPX). Someone else may be able to expound on that. DWCPF is supposed to cover everything else not covered by the S&P 500.

Best wishes to everyone on their investments!!! :smile:


If you watch the two (DWCPF and W4500) day to day, you will see that they don't always close the same. That is the difference. The allocations are weighted differently. But in the grand scheme of things, I guess you can say W4500 is close enough.
 
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Dow Jones down 100 points already? What a strange week. I can't believe its been this weird.

when is that fed day next week that is important? Tuesday of Thursday?
 
Tuesday and Wednesday. I think today is just profit taking from yesterdays oversold rally. The drop earlier in the week and last Friday is probably just the markets way of pricing in the expected future Fed rate hike. :rolleyes:
 
Okay

so so market is sinking again, should I ift again and do 70 or more in s fund? Figure Monday it go up only to be down Tuesday again :(.

If they plan to raise rates they should do it now and get it over with so the market can rally. Not keep us in this worry mode :(
 
Yes, it does, unfortunately. :( You get an unlimited number of moves increasing your G Fund allocation, but it does increment your IFT count and thus use up your 2 free IFTs per month.
 
Also is it just me but why do news report market is quiet or market is stable and then it turns out it isn't lol. False advertisement I tell you lol.


lunch time whoo hooo
 
Oh does an IFT to the g fund count as a IFT for the month? Or not?

It can be your 3rd and final for the month. But straight to G only. Don't want to get frozen. This is how I understand the rules.

A LOT of oils breaking their double bottoms out there.
 
Also is it just me but why do news report market is quiet or market is stable and then it turns out it isn't lol. False advertisement I tell you lol.
The thing about the news is they feel like they have to give a reason for everything even if no one really knows yet. Sure there are big market movers that are easy to ascribe as being responsible for a drop or a rally, but that also occurs on days with no discernible reason. So on days like that they feel the need to pull something out of their rectal data storage area. It's part of calming the masses.
 
Don't try to day trade with your TSP. The more I try to time events like a fed meeting the more I fall behind the leaders. Sure, it can work, but you're better off just focusing on bigger things like moving to safety at all time highs or adding more stock after a 5-10% drop.

The fed announcement is wed and Yellen has already said she won't raise rates with the next two meetings. That means that the market will move on subtle wording changes in their press release. I see it as a 50-50 chance that the wording signals a summer rate increase (market drop), or doesn't change at all (market jump). Having only two IFTs per month makes it more pressure than you need.

I will move to the G fund at some point in the near future, with the expectation that I will stay out several weeks or months as I plan to buy back in at 10% lower or so. I will do so knowing that the market may continue to rise while I'm in the G, and that I shouldn't sweat it and I should stick to my plan.
 
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