What Happened To Global Warming, it's NOT!!

[jimijr]

Another meteorologist here, 40 years experience. The warming is real, it is just very poorly explicated in every book I've read. Journalists simply cannot write about science. For example, Tim Flannery who has acquired a reputation lately, writes that "air holds water" (Weather Makers, pp123). With that sort of idiocy he lost my respect.

The only real contention concerns the extent to which mankind is responsible. In my estimate that percentage is non-zero but growing, probably 25% or less today. The next big volcano that goes off will show us.

 

[nnuut]

Global Climate Change is real...don't listen to climatologists like Sean Hannity or Dr Rush Bimbo.

Or the 5% of meteorologists (many who don't specialize in climate) who have far right wing political leanings and are funded by the oil industry).

Anyway...the "GLOBAL" Warming is real. Leading into early December,the year 2009 was already set at the 5th warmest in over 100 years.

Unfortunately 2 week cold snaps across the Eastern US and Western Europe don't outweigh the other 50 weeks.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/dec2009/2009-12-08-02.asp

Making a global warming assesment bases on the recent weather is kind of like taking a 2 week slight pullback in the Nasdaq in mid 1999 and claiming that those predicting the QQQ to be a good investment for the year were totally wrong.

Remember 1999 in the Nasdaq? Ahhh...someday...maybe again.

Sincerely,

A meteorologist with 22 years of professional experience who was a global warming "agnostic" until a few years ago.

Another meteorologist here, 40 years experience. The warming is real, it is just very poorly explicated in every book I've read. Journalists simply cannot write about science. For example, Tim Flannery who has acquired a reputation lately, writes that "air holds water" (Weather Makers, pp123). With that sort of idiocy he lost my respect.

The only real contention concerns the extent to which mankind is responsible. In my estimate that percentage is non-zero but growing, probably 25% or less today. The next big volcano that goes off will show us.

Great to have 2 meteorologists on the Board commenting on Climate Change in this thread, I know of a couple more. Agreeably there has been warming especially noticeable around the Northern Arctic region, although Antarctica is cooling. I am no meteorologist by a long shot, all I know is what I've learned researching the subject. If you read back in this thread you may understand how a layman could question the Global Warming Theory (now renamed to Climate Change for some reason). The whole premise that CO2 is the MAIN Contributer to the Warming has been proved to be wrong as far as I'm concerned and is obviously being used as a means to promote a Social agenda. The Science is just not there to support the CLIMATOLOGISTS Claims. It is a sad thing but some of the most respected world wide meteorological Organizations were COOKING THE BOOKS to promote their POLITICAL AGENDA!! It's all about Copenhagen and TAX and TRADE. I'm not to go into all of the ways that the Data was Corrupted we all know about that, I just want to know what the World Governments are going to do about it? These Crooks need to go to Jail.
CO2 is Good, but other pollutants definitely need to be controlled, let's concentrate on reducing the emissions a that are causing the problems around the World, that would be an idea.

 

[burrocrat]

...other pollutants definitely need to be controlled, let's concentrate on reducing the emissions a that are causing the problems around the World, that would be an idea.

Yeah! lets's start with the hot air the crooks in the House and Senate have been emitting since 1913! we've been sold down the river, and now they're throwing health care stones at us while we drown.

Vote 'em all out.

 

[grandma]

Has anyone heard anything from/about Mr. Gore lately? I'm wondering where he is? I rather doubt that he & wife are holed up in the `32 room mansion' this winter.
...just curious, I guess. The caretakers are undoubtedly keeping the water pipes open. I wonder how many homeless & poorly sheltered were given sancutary there this month?
I suppose Ophra is comfortable in her place, but there doesn't seem to be the weather at her place as is in the northeast, midwest, south, etc, etc.
So probably not any need to offer over-night lodging there.

 

[nnuut]

Al is like a Trap Door Spider, JUmp out and get the money crawl back in and hide!!

 

[coolhand]

When dealing with anthropogenic climate change, its best to leave politics out of it. Usually, those who introduce terms like "political or social agenda" are basically saying they don't like what the science is telling them and their next step is to shoot the messenger.

It would be nice to leave politics out of it. But "crises" are used by pols for their political ends. When you have a smoking gun such as those thousands of emails (which were an indictment of the scientific community's inability to exchange opposing points of views) it becomes exceedingly difficult to take anyone seriously.

Keep in mind too, political money funds much of these "research" organizations. Think that doesn't play a role?

 

[nnuut]

FireWeatherMet, Carbon Monoxide is a killer not usually CO2! It seems that I've seen that chart before. Take a look at these: Hockey Stick Stuff!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_climate_reports_they_lie.html

 

[nnuut]

NO NO CO2 is NOT the BAD BOY!!
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/cause.html

 

[Buster]

Bottom line:

Sure..I'll submit that perhaps the Earth is warming slightly//Might be from internal geophysical goings ons, Might be from excessive Solar activity, might be for many NATURAL REASONS...But MAN IS NOT one of those reasons and there ain't nothing we have done or can stop doing that will change it..that would be like saying ants are causing world wide soil erosion.

Don't you just love when facts about the Global Warming HOAX are everywhere..yet still another ALgore sheep is still roaming..

 

[angel1955]

I push for everything that will get us away from the oil industry - and under their thumb - I remember going over Topanga Canyon from 99 towards LA Airport - the smog was heavy duty - I e the lake that I use to swim in Seattle growing up, is now condemned. As long as big business keeps filling their pockets- to heck with us.
I hope the Straits of Juan De Fuca sailing over to Victoria are still as beautiful as they use to be. To me it is not as much global warming - but global cleaning -

 

[Buster]

To me it is not as much global warming - but global cleaning -

This I can agree with 100%


Welcome Angel my dear

 

[Buster]

All new cars in California now carry smog, global warming scores...WTF?!?

http://green.autoblog.com/2009/01/0...ifornia-now-carry-smog-global-warming-scores/

 

[James48843]

Cold night tonight....29 in Tampa, 24 degrees in Jacksonville, 30 in Orlando. That's the current temps, and the temps are still going down.....

Bet those oranges in Florida will be jumping in price on Monday.

Invest in Orange Juice Futures boys..cause those contracts are going up on Monday.

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[jimijr]

The physics of radiative transfer etc. is perfectly clear -- in the laboratory. In the real world there are always surprises because we don't know all the factors at work. It does seem that whenever you try to isolate one of those factors it turns out to be connected to everything else. The atmosphere is just a very difficult place to run experiments. (I used to be a cloud seeder, for instance.)

But it also seems that the problems folks have with the science is...the politics. Leave me outta that, I ceased to have any real political opinions long ago. My opinion on the science is that we don't know enough to be definitive, only suggestive.

I also know that if you really understand something, you can explain it to a 12-yr old, so to the authors writing books about this topic I say, bone up; do the math; take a course in atmospheric physics. Then you have a chance. Talking about how much water the air can hold (Flannery) is like asking how much oxygen the air can hold, or nitrogen. It makes no sense.

 

[coolhand]

It does. My old boss had dealings with research meteorologists, and needed to hire them occasionally to produce meso (small) scale weather models. His take was "Research meteorologists are like prostitutes...if you've got the money, they've got the time.

The really BIG money is on the energy side. Not gov't. Scientists with oil companies make much more money than their equals in government. Studies funded by branch groups of think tanks try to disguise their trail, but it all leads back to energy lobby groups.

Most of the email chatter was about skeptics who were using "fuzzy math" and then making loud noise. As a meteorologist, I would welcome a cross debate between global warming sides. There is room to suggest that sun spot cycles play a role. But unfortunately, most of what I've seen from global warming skeptics are just attempts to poke holes...not to come up with something that makes sense. But I try to stay open to new ideas.

p.s.
I liked your post on where the top 50 vs top 15 are in their allocations.

Good post. Some might get the impression that I categorically deny global warming, but the fact is I neither believe nor disbelieve. I am more focused on how our politicians and those who stand to profit are using this and other issues to further their own agenda.

I and many others on this MB see parallels among a whole host of issues being used to manipulate the American public. To pit us against each other. They are trying to divide and conquer. From Cap and Trade to Government bailouts to Healthcare Reform. Nothing makes sense anymore except the increasing velocity at which our constitutional rights are being trampled and taken away. There is no sanity. There is no one who is really looking out for the little guy. We have no representation. The big money is seeing to that.

Check out the Kurt Vonnegut interview I posted in the "Conservatives Only" thread. He gave that in 2005. There are only winners and losers in our one party system of Democrats and Republicans. I think he makes a good point.

(I think the Top 15 and 50 charts give us a useful tool that can be used to help us manage risk. Glad to hear you like them. )

 

[coolhand]

The physics of radiative transfer etc. is perfectly clear -- in the laboratory. In the real world there are always surprises because we don't know all the factors at work. It does seem that whenever you try to isolate one of those factors it turns out to be connected to everything else. The atmosphere is just a very difficult place to run experiments. (I used to be a cloud seeder, for instance.)

But it also seems that the problems folks have with the science is...the politics. Leave me outta that, I ceased to have any real political opinions long ago. My opinion on the science is that we don't know enough to be definitive, only suggestive.

I also know that if you really understand something, you can explain it to a 12-yr old, so to the authors writing books about this topic I say, bone up; do the math; take a course in atmospheric physics. Then you have a chance. Talking about how much water the air can hold (Flannery) is like asking how much oxygen the air can hold, or nitrogen. It makes no sense.

I certainly understand your point of view on the political element involved. I think it is a question of which 800 pound gorilla one wants to take notice of.

 

[coolhand]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126316299869923853.html

 

[coolhand]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/dominic_lawson/article6982310.ece

The threat of a gulf between a sceptical public and a political class determined — as it would see it — on saving us from the consequences of our own stupidity can have only been increased by the Arctic freeze that has enveloped not just Britain but also the rest of northern Europe, China and the United States. Of course one winter’s unexpected savagery does not in itself disprove any theories of man-made global warming, as the climate change gurus are hastily pointing out. Steve Dorling, of the University of East Anglia’s school of environmental sciences — yes, the UEA of “climategate” email fame — warns that it is “wrong to focus on single events, which are the product of natural variability”.

Quite so; but it would be easier to accept the point that a particular episode of extreme and unexpected cold was entirely due to “natural variations” if the UEA’s chaps had not been so adept at publicising every recent drought or heatwave as possible evidence of “man’s impact”, and if David Viner (then a senior climate scientist at UEA) had not made a headline in The Independent a decade ago by warning that in a few years “British children just aren’t going to know what snow is”.

 

[nnuut]

Our British friends are ahead of us in the Cap and Trade debacle and are paying the price. This is a look into our future that we should learn from and seriously question the planned outcome of such a policy. The LIBERALS need to back off and take a second look at what is in store for our country, but you can't fix STUPID!!:nuts:

 

[coolhand]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/11/years-global-cooling-coming-say-leading-scientists/