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What Happened To Global Warming, it's NOT!!
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CountryBoy
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How to Forge a Consensus
The impression left by the Climategate emails is that the global warming game has been rigged from the start.
According to this privileged group, only those whose work has been published in select scientific journals, after having gone through the "peer-review" process, can be relied on to critique the science. And sure enough, any challenges that critics have lobbed at climatologists from outside this clique are routinely dismissed and disparaged.
The response to this among the defenders of Mr. Mann and his circle has been that even if they did disparage doubters and exclude contrary points of view, theirs is still the best climate science we've got. The proof for this is circular. It's the best, we're told, because it's the most-published and most-cited—in that same peer-reviewed literature.
Let us see...it's their playing field, their ball, their officials and their rules. Now that is the makings of a credible debate amongst scientists, who are no more believable than our pols. All they want is more money for their fanciful studies. :laugh: Algore sure made out like a bandit.
How to Forge a Consensus
The impression left by the Climategate emails is that the global warming game has been rigged from the start.
According to this privileged group, only those whose work has been published in select scientific journals, after having gone through the "peer-review" process, can be relied on to critique the science. And sure enough, any challenges that critics have lobbed at climatologists from outside this clique are routinely dismissed and disparaged.
The response to this among the defenders of Mr. Mann and his circle has been that even if they did disparage doubters and exclude contrary points of view, theirs is still the best climate science we've got. The proof for this is circular. It's the best, we're told, because it's the most-published and most-cited—in that same peer-reviewed literature.
Let us see...it's their playing field, their ball, their officials and their rules. Now that is the makings of a credible debate amongst scientists, who are no more believable than our pols. All they want is more money for their fanciful studies. :laugh: Algore sure made out like a bandit.
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Birchtree
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On the White House front lawn after the impeachment wound down Big Al held a news conference in which he stated that history would show that peroni Bill was our greatest president. I wonder what big Joe will say about socialist Barry?
On the White House front lawn after the impeachment wound down Big Al held a news conference in which he stated that history would show that peroni Bill was our greatest president. I wonder what big Joe will say about socialist Barry?
nnuut
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And Big AL is either one of the Biggest Fall Guys in American history or is Parodied like Crooked Bill?
Yes, Bill is a crooked Devil!!
And Big AL is either one of the Biggest Fall Guys in American history or is Parodied like Crooked Bill?
Buster
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If y'all think President Obama is a worry..(I'm still giving him a chance to prove himself)..Then, can you imagine what it would have been like under Algore?..Thank God for hanging Chad.:nuts:Yes, Bill is a crooked Devil!!
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No - don't close it yet - my latest read is that our President has announced (this morning's paper) full intentions of signing the Copenhagen pact.
- determined in spite of, regardless of.....isn't he?
...'course - I guess you could work that into the new title ...!
No - don't close it yet - my latest read is that our President has announced (this morning's paper) full intentions of signing the Copenhagen pact.
- determined in spite of, regardless of.....isn't he?
...'course - I guess you could work that into the new title ...!
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nnuut
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He should ask for an investigation of the findings and the supporting data!! If he doesn't it means that he just doesn't care if it's real or not and will sign only to promote his agenda. I think I'll stop there I shouldn't comment about the Pres when I'm MAD!:nuts:
No - don't close it yet - my latest read is that our President has announced (this morning's paper) full intentions of signing the Copenhagen pact.
- determined in spite of, regardless of.....isn't he?
...'course - I guess you could work that into the new title ...!
He should ask for an investigation of the findings and the supporting data!! If he doesn't it means that he just doesn't care if it's real or not and will sign only to promote his agenda. I think I'll stop there I shouldn't comment about the Pres when I'm MAD!:nuts:
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Unfortunately that is what most of the pols are doing... ignoring the American people. Pelosi even said, that we're going to pass a Health care bill regardless of what the American people or want. And the American people just lower their subservient heads and follow her blindly, regardless of that it hasn't even been read by anyone of them and put together by big pharma and lobbyist (weren't they banned by bHo, well what's another lie on the many he's already told), the people that you supposedly villify!! This is so pathetic!
They and their supporters are arrogant beyond belief and believe that those of us that don't support their socialistic agenda are stupid. Well Global warminmg sure back fired into their socialistic faces. What a cover-up, trying to squelch any opposing view. Again, thank God for foreign journalist, bause our suck up media, sure ain't covering squat of any importance. That's why obamy wants control of the internet, those who control the flow of information also control the power!!!
That's how I view his supporters now, because that is the example he is setting. He even said hit them, (Americans with opposing views) back twice as hard (union thugs come in good for something), :laugh: some prez representing all the people and trying to pull us together. Good example barry.
Well, this stupid American for one is just feed up to here, slicing neck motion, with that type of arrogant know-it-all attitude, elitist attitude being displayed by the obamatons. (insert mad icon here)
All this is going on before our very eyes. :blink: I was raised to ask questions and not blindly follow anyone or what they say, that doesn't seem to be the way anymore, no fact checking, from several sources and with the internet, your sources are unlimited.
Screw my spelling and punk-chew-a-shun. :laugh: Only on my first cup of Joe.
Unfortunately that is what most of the pols are doing... ignoring the American people. Pelosi even said, that we're going to pass a Health care bill regardless of what the American people or want. And the American people just lower their subservient heads and follow her blindly, regardless of that it hasn't even been read by anyone of them and put together by big pharma and lobbyist (weren't they banned by bHo, well what's another lie on the many he's already told), the people that you supposedly villify!! This is so pathetic!
They and their supporters are arrogant beyond belief and believe that those of us that don't support their socialistic agenda are stupid. Well Global warminmg sure back fired into their socialistic faces. What a cover-up, trying to squelch any opposing view. Again, thank God for foreign journalist, bause our suck up media, sure ain't covering squat of any importance. That's why obamy wants control of the internet, those who control the flow of information also control the power!!!
That's how I view his supporters now, because that is the example he is setting. He even said hit them, (Americans with opposing views) back twice as hard (union thugs come in good for something), :laugh: some prez representing all the people and trying to pull us together. Good example barry.
Well, this stupid American for one is just feed up to here, slicing neck motion, with that type of arrogant know-it-all attitude, elitist attitude being displayed by the obamatons. (insert mad icon here)
All this is going on before our very eyes. :blink: I was raised to ask questions and not blindly follow anyone or what they say, that doesn't seem to be the way anymore, no fact checking, from several sources and with the internet, your sources are unlimited.
Screw my spelling and punk-chew-a-shun. :laugh: Only on my first cup of Joe.
nnuut
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I'm on my 2nd cup of JOE!!
I like this guy's perspective:
Posted by Rick Moran at 07:59 AM | Permalink | 3 Comments
Obama's 'Cardiff Giant'
Monty Pelerin
The Cardiff Giant, known as "America's Greatest Hoax," has new competition for the title -- Global Warming. Recent revelations of what appear to be doctored data, corrupted scientists and pressured peer reviews have produced terms such as "Climategate," "Climaqquidick," and similar pejoratives. Describing the events of the past week, Senator Jim Inhofe, a consistent critic of the science said: "Ninety-five percent of the nails were in the coffin prior to this week. Now they are all in."
Despite what appears evidence of outright fraud, President Obama refuses to acknowledge, no less investigate, what is increasingly becoming known as "The World's Greatest Hoax." Obama's intentions to go off to Copenhagen, pretending that "the science is settled," is a political gaffe of enormous proportion. It puts whatever is left of his rapidly diminishing credibility at risk, as well as his agenda.
Most political disagreements are ideological and too complex to easily prove anything. Health care is a good example. It is ideological and many-faceted. There is no definitive way to "prove" that one side is right and the other wrong. In health care, this was particularly evident as the objectives ("marketing' to the public?) shifted as required. In situations like this, credibility is all important. "Can I trust what this man says?" becomes the measure that the public uses to support or reject these complex issues.
Obama's position will be devastating because it is counter to science. Science, done properly, is black or white. It does not rest on consensus, it rests on facts. Al Gore tried to cut off debate on the subject by claiming there was a "consensus." Every scientific advance has been made by one or a small minority that conflicted with "the consensus." That Gore has made millions by a form of street-hustling does not help the credibility of climate-change supporters.
The public had serious doubts about the validity of climate-warming before the recent revelations. They know they will suffer from cap and trade legislation. Their lifestyles will be adversely affected by forced legislative changes (lightbulbs, centrally-controlled thermostats, etc.). Their cost of living will be driven up substantially. Industrial growth will slow. America will become less competitive in the world. Additionally, many sense that the plan will include a redistribution of wealth from richer to poorer nations and may be a step toward world government. If the future of mankind were truly at stake, such sacrifices might be worthwhile. Without that, the proposed legislation is viewed as nothing more than masochistic and controlling. It becomes just another way to extract taxes from the American public.
That Obama wants to proceed full-speed ahead without hard science suggests that his objective is to inflate his image in the eyes of the rest of the world. While I don't believe that will happen, the attempt is clearly at the expense of the American people. To those that realize that the science is faulty, Obama loses all credibility. To others, his credibility may merely decrease. Regardless, his ability to pass health care and other parts of his agenda depends on his credibility. He has little left.
An eerie parallel is that the Cardiff Giant was made in Chicago and buried in NY. We may be witnessing another Cardiff Giant made in Chicago, but "buried" in Washington, DC. An earlier post surmised this outcome.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/
I'm on my 2nd cup of JOE!!
I like this guy's perspective:
Posted by Rick Moran at 07:59 AM | Permalink | 3 Comments
Obama's 'Cardiff Giant'
Monty Pelerin
The Cardiff Giant, known as "America's Greatest Hoax," has new competition for the title -- Global Warming. Recent revelations of what appear to be doctored data, corrupted scientists and pressured peer reviews have produced terms such as "Climategate," "Climaqquidick," and similar pejoratives. Describing the events of the past week, Senator Jim Inhofe, a consistent critic of the science said: "Ninety-five percent of the nails were in the coffin prior to this week. Now they are all in."
Despite what appears evidence of outright fraud, President Obama refuses to acknowledge, no less investigate, what is increasingly becoming known as "The World's Greatest Hoax." Obama's intentions to go off to Copenhagen, pretending that "the science is settled," is a political gaffe of enormous proportion. It puts whatever is left of his rapidly diminishing credibility at risk, as well as his agenda.
Most political disagreements are ideological and too complex to easily prove anything. Health care is a good example. It is ideological and many-faceted. There is no definitive way to "prove" that one side is right and the other wrong. In health care, this was particularly evident as the objectives ("marketing' to the public?) shifted as required. In situations like this, credibility is all important. "Can I trust what this man says?" becomes the measure that the public uses to support or reject these complex issues.
Obama's position will be devastating because it is counter to science. Science, done properly, is black or white. It does not rest on consensus, it rests on facts. Al Gore tried to cut off debate on the subject by claiming there was a "consensus." Every scientific advance has been made by one or a small minority that conflicted with "the consensus." That Gore has made millions by a form of street-hustling does not help the credibility of climate-change supporters.
The public had serious doubts about the validity of climate-warming before the recent revelations. They know they will suffer from cap and trade legislation. Their lifestyles will be adversely affected by forced legislative changes (lightbulbs, centrally-controlled thermostats, etc.). Their cost of living will be driven up substantially. Industrial growth will slow. America will become less competitive in the world. Additionally, many sense that the plan will include a redistribution of wealth from richer to poorer nations and may be a step toward world government. If the future of mankind were truly at stake, such sacrifices might be worthwhile. Without that, the proposed legislation is viewed as nothing more than masochistic and controlling. It becomes just another way to extract taxes from the American public.
That Obama wants to proceed full-speed ahead without hard science suggests that his objective is to inflate his image in the eyes of the rest of the world. While I don't believe that will happen, the attempt is clearly at the expense of the American people. To those that realize that the science is faulty, Obama loses all credibility. To others, his credibility may merely decrease. Regardless, his ability to pass health care and other parts of his agenda depends on his credibility. He has little left.
An eerie parallel is that the Cardiff Giant was made in Chicago and buried in NY. We may be witnessing another Cardiff Giant made in Chicago, but "buried" in Washington, DC. An earlier post surmised this outcome.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/
nnuut
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For those of you who don't believe in Global Warming:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
I'm sure there's some good scientific content here. There's a conspiracy by the rest of us trying to show that the world isn't really flat. You just have to hack those e-mails in the scientific community to prove it.
What happened to the World is round?
For those of you who don't believe in Global Warming:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
I'm sure there's some good scientific content here. There's a conspiracy by the rest of us trying to show that the world isn't really flat. You just have to hack those e-mails in the scientific community to prove it.
What happened to the World is round?
nnuut
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Flat Earth Society? Al Gore seems to have a long history of being WRONG, ironic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP71wQL4als&feature=related
Flat Earth Society? Al Gore seems to have a long history of being WRONG, ironic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP71wQL4als&feature=related
nnuut
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One quote from the video:
"carbon emissions caused by humans is as much a nonsense as the official story of 9/11."
Sounds good. Do tell, what is the real story?
I didn't see a lot of facts and figures on the video. In fact, there weren't any. No empirical models, no mathematics.
One quote from the video:
"carbon emissions caused by humans is as much a nonsense as the official story of 9/11."
Sounds good. Do tell, what is the real story?
I didn't see a lot of facts and figures on the video. In fact, there weren't any. No empirical models, no mathematics.
coolhand
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You seem to do a good job of ignoring counter points. Not all of them are off-base. I guess it's like Skypilot says. You like to have the last word.
You seem to do a good job of ignoring counter points. Not all of them are off-base. I guess it's like Skypilot says. You like to have the last word.
Re: What Happened To Global Warming
Then state what, exactly, has been proven by someone reading private e-mails from a university. The issue here is that people believe that there is some vast conspiracy to fake scientific data.
Where is the proof that global warming is not occuring and has anyone read the proof that it is occuring?
Conspiracy? Yes, and we need only to follow where the money trying to debunk global warming is coming from, just like we only need to see where the money is coming from for a lot of government expenditures, and the relationship these entities have with congress and the executive branch.
A good job of IGNORING counterpoints? Not at all, I think I try to address them, not ignore them. Do I enjoy having the last word? No, not really. I'll let you have the last word, if you like.
Then state what, exactly, has been proven by someone reading private e-mails from a university. The issue here is that people believe that there is some vast conspiracy to fake scientific data.
Where is the proof that global warming is not occuring and has anyone read the proof that it is occuring?
Conspiracy? Yes, and we need only to follow where the money trying to debunk global warming is coming from, just like we only need to see where the money is coming from for a lot of government expenditures, and the relationship these entities have with congress and the executive branch.
A good job of IGNORING counterpoints? Not at all, I think I try to address them, not ignore them. Do I enjoy having the last word? No, not really. I'll let you have the last word, if you like.
coolhand
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See, that's what's so funny about many of your arguments. It's one-sided. Liberal and Progressives would never lie, would they? And they don't care about money either, do they?
They're all a bunch of liars. :laugh:
See, that's what's so funny about many of your arguments. It's one-sided. Liberal and Progressives would never lie, would they? And they don't care about money either, do they?
They're all a bunch of liars. :laugh:
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