TSP Poker Club

[alevin]

we're still in D2. disarrayed beginners, needing managerial support and directive coaching, but starting to regroup and move towards D3 (phase 3=norming, I think); self-directed, functioning team with light support/engagement from the original coach.

 

[userque]

Well darn, we still have to create another new club. I'll get over my heartburn, take some Peptobismol or something. 3d time's the charm, right?

It's easy.

Are you the Manager-elect, or are you guys still deciding?

 

[alevin]

nobody's elected anybody yet. we have 4 nominees at this point, slate of 4, pick 2, my take on where we're at.

 

[tsptalk]

I withdraw from consideration. It's getting a little too serious. I'm afraid I'll end up in court.

Pick 2? alevin and kuz

 

[alevin]

I think KO indicated he already has a job, didn't want a second role. jp has reservations but I think they could be resolved, I had reservations, but think they are being resolved, burro doesn't want any role at this point other than top-seed player, which he has to earn, can't be obtained by popular vote, tom is out. that leaves DBA and me and jp at this point, unless KO has changed his mind. jp, where you at right now? you willing to be in? KO, where's your head at right now? still in the single-role camp?

 

[jpcavin]

I think KO indicated he already has a job, didn't want a second role. jp has reservations but I think they could be resolved, I had reservations, but think they are being resolved, burro doesn't want any role at this point other than top-seed player, which he has to earn, can't be obtained by popular vote, tom is out. that leaves DBA and me and jp at this point, unless KO has changed his mind. jp, where you at right now? you willing to be in? KO, where's your head at right now? still in the single-role camp?

Naah, I pass.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

ya I'd like to stick to just 1 job, I will formally withdraw from contention. It was a tough decision, but I'd like to thank all those who nominated me :laugh:

 

[tsptalk]

If no one else is interested, I wouldn't mind setting up the club and scheduling the tournaments. We'll call it a job and leave the bureaucratic stuff at the door.

But if someone else is interested, it's OK with me.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

Really the important duties that we haven't really talked about, is the assisting of people. Especially new people. Kind of goes unnoticed as its not an every day thing, but I think burro and Q both did a decent amount of getting people up to speed, and helping them set up the pokerstars program, getting into the club, etc.

We take it for granted since we've gone through it already, but its a decent size hurdle to start. Heck, just finding the Home Club page is quite a challenge, especially when they did an update a few weeks ago and moved stuff.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

When I first created the stats spreadsheet, I wasn't aware of there being prizes, and I didn't know how flexible the spreadsheet would be. The #1 purpose for the stats was for people to be able to track their OWN performance, more than it was to rank everyone. (#2 was because the pokerstars point system SUCKS for small games)

And it turned out to be very flexible, where at any given time you can determine things like:
Top 'x' games all time
top 'x' for ANY start date to ANY end date
All games from ANY start date to ANY end date.
That means... how you've done in the last 30 days...60 days... 180 days.
Compare last month, to this month. Or Feb 2016 to present month.

Just about whatever you want! at any given time!


The only thing that needs to be determined and set in stone, is who gets prizes. Outside of that, you can customize how you gauge your own performance, however your heart desires :nuts:

 

[TSP-roulette]

I think we need a Theme Song....I nominate the "The Gambler" by Kenny Rodgers...Can I get a second?

FS

 

[burrocrat]

since it seems everyone has had a chance to say their piece, in a little while here i am going to cast my ballot.

 

[burrocrat]

but first, a little poker club history...

when the first poker club here was started, it was with prior permission from tom so as not to associate tsptalk with something that may reflect negatively on the brand, and it was named 'tsp poker club' (like this thread's name) and did not include any logos or official reference or affiliation with this tsptalk.com site (tom's business). it turned out to be not too a negative thing, and although small offered some good interactions and learning environment while smoothing out some bumps in the discovery road. when it became clear that there was better suited folks to manage and run and recordkeep the proceedings, the original tsp poker club disbanded (which is a fancy way of saying i quit).

when the second club 'tsptalk poker club' opened i was excited to see some branding and logos and official prizes because it meant it had grown into something to be proud of, or at least not ashamed to be associated with. and it has proven to be a place where friends and associates can go to learn and play hard and expand their games and friendships. so i am disappointed a little that this second club may disband and lose the official 'tsptalk poker club' name because not much is changing about the members or format beyond some rule adjusting as to scoring. i think as brand owner of the tsptalk name, tom should retain ownership and control of the club (he has been first level admin in both clubs since inception). i did not feel bad closing down the first club because it was something i made up, but this one was done with official sanction of tsptalk, and i think the name and history of this official club should remain, even though we are changing leadership of our group again.

besides, what would we name the next one? 'poker for misfits v.03' or something? my suggestion is to retain the 'tsptalk poker club' official name and simply transfer 'club manager' duties to the next elected, but only one person can do that and it is the current manager. so i put that out there for discussion and consideration.

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

I think we need a Theme Song....I nominate the "The Gambler" by Kenny Rodgers...Can I get a second?

FS

I second that!! :smile:

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

but first, a little poker club history...

when the first poker club here was started, it was with prior permission from tom so as not to associate tsptalk with something that may reflect negatively on the brand, and it was named 'tsp poker club' (like this thread's name) and did not include any logos or official reference or affiliation with this tsptalk.com site (tom's business). it turned out to be not too a negative thing, and although small offered some good interactions and learning environment while smoothing out some bumps in the discovery road. when it became clear that there was better suited folks to manage and run and recordkeep the proceedings, the original tsp poker club disbanded (which is a fancy way of saying i quit).

when the second club 'tsptalk poker club' opened i was excited to see some branding and logos and official prizes because it meant it had grown into something to be proud of, or at least not ashamed to be associated with. and it has proven to be a place where friends and associates can go to learn and play hard and expand their games and friendships. so i am disappointed a little that this second club may disband and lose the official 'tsptalk poker club' name because not much is changing about the members or format beyond some rule adjusting as to scoring. i think as brand owner of the tsptalk name, tom should retain ownership and control of the club (he has been first level admin in both clubs since inception). i did not feel bad closing down the first club because it was something i made up, but this one was done with official sanction of tsptalk, and i think the name and history of this official club should remain, even though we are changing leadership of our group again.

besides, what would we name the next one? 'poker for misfits v.03' or something? my suggestion is to retain the 'tsptalk poker club' official name and simply transfer 'club manager' duties to the next elected, but only one person can do that and it is the current manager. so i put that out there for discussion and consideration.

It would be good if we could keep the TSP poker club official name. But I thought someone said the club manager could not be changed so that means a duty transfer. What would that involve? How would this work mechanically?

 

[tsptalk]

my suggestion is to retain the 'tsptalk poker club' official name and simply transfer 'club manager' duties to the next elected, but only one person can do that and it is the current manager. so i put that out there for discussion and consideration.

It would seem to be an easier solution if it's possible.

 

[burrocrat]

ok am going to cast my ballot for new leadership and official positions now...

i vote tom for chief executive officer (ceo) because his is already a ceo of tsptalk.com and buy low sell high inc. and he probably has the most executive experience amongst the members.

i vote alevin for chief operating officer (coo) to be the week-to-week functional manager of the club and she is probably the most functional of the members.

i vote to retain kuz as treasurer (keep the books) because he has done an awesome job of it and the spreadsheet/matrix with custom interaction parameters is a thing of beauty if you are a spreadsheet nerd, and even if you are not. also i vote to give kuz the additional title of secretary, but this is only a formality since keeping the minutes is the same as keeping the books and the books tell the story.

 

[burrocrat]

It would be good if we could keep the TSP poker club official name. But I thought someone said the club manager could not be changed so that means a duty transfer. What would that involve? How would this work mechanically?

It would seem to be an easier solution if it's possible.

as a former manager with all the options available it has been awhile since i saw behind the curtain, but i believe the current manager has the option to assign a 'co-manager' or transfer 'manager' status to another member or admin. but i am not manager of this club, cue is, and he would have to confirm or make that choice if it is available.

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

Current voting status (Changes have an '*' by them):

Raising Games per Next Season onward:
Current: 8

PRO: Eight is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: Increasing the number will be detrimental to the club in the long run. If a member can only make one day of the two, they are only able to play 6 or 7 games. They will not be able to compete with those whose stats include 10 games. Our purpose is not to compete with the WSOP. We must first be about fun. If everyone can play 6 games, why not only judge 6 games. It's not really that serious. Please post to change/add to this argument.

userque: 6
att: whatever the majority decides
FS: whatever the majority decides
JPC: 10
burro: 10
winter: 10
k0n: 10

Make Any Change in the Games per Season for the current, almost over season:
Current: No

PRO: 8 in 23 is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: The matter was on the table to be changed earlier, but wasn't. Changing the rules of a contest near the end of the contest is not cool and will not inspire trust in the club going forward. It's simply bad business. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: No
winter: No
FS: whatever the majority decides
k0n: Yes, 17
JPC: Yes, 17
DBA: No ***********

Give Points for Last Place:
CURRENT: No

PRO:
Last place should make more points than someone that doesn't even play. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON:
Last place should not make more points than someone that doesn't even play. No 'participation points'. Everyone is GUARANTEED at least last place, if you enter. Plus, changing this would change the values for all other places as well. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: Yes
k0n: No
FS: whatever the majority decides

Question: How many games are in the upcoming season?
On giving Points for last place, my answer is Yes.

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

ok am going to cast my ballot for new leadership and official positions now...

i vote tom for chief executive officer (ceo) because his is already a ceo of tsptalk.com and buy low sell high inc. and he probably has the most executive experience amongst the members.

i vote alevin for chief operating officer (coo) to be the week-to-week functional manager of the club and she is probably the most functional of the members.

i vote to retain kuz as treasurer (keep the books) because he has done an awesome job of it and the spreadsheet/matrix with custom interaction parameters is a thing of beauty if you are a spreadsheet nerd, and even if you are not. also i vote to give kuz the additional title of secretary, but this is only a formality since keeping the minutes is the same as keeping the books and the books tell the story.

Ditto!!