TSP Poker Club

[burrocrat]

ceo
tom: 2
other: -

coo
alevin: 2
other: -

treasurer/secretary
kuz: 2
other: -

 

[burrocrat]

rules made up as we go along (feel free to change them): if a person is a candidate or has no particular preference they can still vote and abstain from whichever positions they care not to vote for.

although, it is traditional for a candidate to publically cast a vote for themselves and our society sees nothing wrong in that, one member/citizen one vote.

all members please weigh in (negative report required).

 

[tsptalk]

Burrocrat loves the bureaucracy. Why are we making this so complicated? Again, I just want to play poker and if needed, I can be the guy who schedules the tournaments. And if there are any meetings involved, I'm outta here. :stooges:

i vote tom for chief executive officer (ceo) because his is already a ceo of tsptalk.com and buy low sell high inc. and he probably has the most executive experience amongst the members.

i vote alevin for chief operating officer (coo) to be the week-to-week functional manager of the club and she is probably the most functional of the members.

i vote to retain kuz as treasurer (keep the books) because he has done an awesome job of it and the spreadsheet/matrix with custom interaction parameters is a thing of beauty if you are a spreadsheet nerd, and even if you are not. also i vote to give kuz the additional title of secretary, but this is only a formality since keeping the minutes is the same as keeping the books and the books tell the story.

 

[burrocrat]

Burrocrat loves the bureaucracy.

that's what tiggers do.

it's also probably why they make cages.

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[tsptalk]

"I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member"

- Grouch Marx

 

[userque]

Already thought of that.

I wasn't going to put it to a vote (executive discretion). I will attempt to change the name of the current club. Hopefully, that should free up the name for the new club. I would wait some days before trying to use the same name on the new club though.

but first, a little poker club history...

when the first poker club here was started, it was with prior permission from tom so as not to associate tsptalk with something that may reflect negatively on the brand, and it was named 'tsp poker club' (like this thread's name) and did not include any logos or official reference or affiliation with this tsptalk.com site (tom's business). it turned out to be not too a negative thing, and although small offered some good interactions and learning environment while smoothing out some bumps in the discovery road. when it became clear that there was better suited folks to manage and run and recordkeep the proceedings, the original tsp poker club disbanded (which is a fancy way of saying i quit).

when the second club 'tsptalk poker club' opened i was excited to see some branding and logos and official prizes because it meant it had grown into something to be proud of, or at least not ashamed to be associated with. and it has proven to be a place where friends and associates can go to learn and play hard and expand their games and friendships. so i am disappointed a little that this second club may disband and lose the official 'tsptalk poker club' name because not much is changing about the members or format beyond some rule adjusting as to scoring. i think as brand owner of the tsptalk name, tom should retain ownership and control of the club (he has been first level admin in both clubs since inception). i did not feel bad closing down the first club because it was something i made up, but this one was done with official sanction of tsptalk, and i think the name and history of this official club should remain, even though we are changing leadership of our group again.

besides, what would we name the next one? 'poker for misfits v.03' or something? my suggestion is to retain the 'tsptalk poker club' official name and simply transfer 'club manager' duties to the next elected, but only one person can do that and it is the current manager. so i put that out there for discussion and consideration.

 

[userque]

It would be good if we could keep the TSP poker club official name. But I thought someone said the club manager could not be changed so that means a duty transfer. What would that involve? How would this work mechanically?

Please see my previous post.

 

[userque]

It would seem to be an easier solution if it's possible.

Please see my prior post to burros previous query regarding this.

 

[burrocrat]

I wasn't going to put it to a vote (executive discretion). I will attempt to change the name of the current club.

i am not understanding. does this mean there is executive discretion to transfer or appoint a new manager of the current club? but instead changing the name of the current so it could be reused in a new is the course of action? or inaction as it were?

hmmm.

 

[userque]

as a former manager with all the options available it has been awhile since i saw behind the curtain, but i believe the current manager has the option to assign a 'co-manager' or transfer 'manager' status to another member or admin. but i am not manager of this club, cue is, and he would have to confirm or make that choice if it is available.

Please see my previous posts to your previous queries regarding this.

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

Ditto!!

ceo
tom: 2
other: -

coo
alevin: 2
other: -

treasurer/secretary
kuz: 2
other: -

rules made up as we go along (feel free to change them): if a person is a candidate or has no particular preference they can still vote and abstain from whichever positions they care not to vote for.

although, it is traditional for a candidate to publically cast a vote for themselves and our society sees nothing wrong in that, one member/citizen one vote.

all members please weigh in (negative report required).

hi ...I withdraw. So that means the voting is over. Right???? We got the roles worked out so now we can get down to the business of playing and having fun!!!! wool...hoooo

So when does this season end, and when does the next one start???

 

[userque]

Question: How many games are in the upcoming season?
On giving Points for last place, my answer is Yes.

Noted. I'll update the tally shortly.

 

[userque]

i am not understanding. does this mean there is executive discretion to transfer or appoint a new manager of the current club? but instead changing the name of the current so it could be reused in a new is the course of action? or inaction as it were?

hmmm.

Lol...good luck Tom, you'll need it.

Please see my previous posts to your previous queries regarding this.

But to save you and others time needed to wade through the muck. It is my understanding that the "Manager" is tied to the account.

The clubs don't exists as a separate entities; but are tied to the account that created the club.

I can't explain it any simpler.

You guys have a month and a half to create the club--with my help as needed. Like most things in a play money poker club, it shouldn't be a big deal.

We did fine after you flew the coop with essentially no clear notice. You guys will be fine too. I'm gellin, you guys should try it

 

[userque]

hi ...I withdraw. So that means the voting is over. Right???? We got the roles worked out so now we can get down to the business of playing and having fun!!!! wool...hoooo

So when does this season end, and when does the next one start???

Currently, the last day of the current season is the last day of June. The first day of the next season is the first day of July. This coincides with PS's three month season. That made sense to me; however, you guys might want to do something completely different.

Since you will be keeping your own stats, you can make the seasons start and end whenever you guys vote for them to start/end.

 

[alevin]

I would like to see us play out the current season, myself. start fresh beginning of July. have a season that runs to end of September-since the tournament seasons roll over automatically into a new season of same duration, per Q, it shouldn't create any problems even at end of fed fiscal year/start of hunting season or even over New Years when people have work or hunting season or holidays with family and other friends pulling them in different directions. :smile:

burro thinks I'm functional, we shall see....functional is as functional does. :nuts:

 

[userque]

Current voting status (Changes have an '*' by them):

Raising Games per Next Season onward:
Current: 8

PRO: Eight is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: Increasing the number will be detrimental to the club in the long run. If a member can only make one day of the two, they are only able to play 6 or 7 games. They will not be able to compete with those whose stats include 10 games. Our purpose is not to compete with the WSOP. We must first be about fun. If everyone can play 6 games, why not only judge 6 games. It's not really that serious. Please post to change/add to this argument.

userque: 6
att: whatever the majority decides
FS: whatever the majority decides
JPC: 10
burro: 10
winter: 10
k0n: 10

Make Any Change in the Games per Season for the current, almost over season:
Current: No

PRO: 8 in 23 is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: The matter was on the table to be changed earlier, but wasn't. Changing the rules of a contest near the end of the contest is not cool and will not inspire trust in the club going forward. It's simply bad business. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: No
winter: No
FS: whatever the majority decides
k0n: Yes, 17
JPC: Yes, 17
DBA: No

Give Points for Last Place (clarification: for next season onward*********):
CURRENT: No

PRO:
Last place should make more points than someone that doesn't even play. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON:
Last place should not make more points than someone that doesn't even play. No 'participation points'. Everyone is GUARANTEED at least last place, if you enter. Plus, changing this would change the values for all other places as well. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: Yes
k0n: No
FS: whatever the majority decides
DBA: Yes**************************************

 

[alevin]

On the points question re at minimum, a person places last based on participation vs no place at all for nonplay: by "enter", we mean "register"?

but for clarity, under a Con vote-if a person only registers and plays 1 of 13 tournaments, and ended up last in that one game, for example, are you saying that anyone who plays, for example 6 games and ends last place every time, would end up higher in the ranks for the season than the person who only played 1 tournament and ended up last in that particular tournament?

and for clarity, under a Con vote-would a person who registers for 6 of 13 tournaments but never makes it to any of the games, end up lower place for the season than a person who only registered for 6 and played all 6 tournaments and came in last every time of the people who actually played in those tournaments?

seeking yes/no answers to those 2 questions, making sure I understand what the Con vote about participation points actually means in application.

 

[userque]

CLUB NAME
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The option to change the name seems to no longer be available. I can close the club after the last game this season (June 26). A new club can be opened days later (but before the first tourney in July), and hopefully, PS will allow the use of the same name.

 

[alevin]

good information, Q. and timely. thanks for the heads up.

 

[burrocrat]

tole ya she was functional...

On the points question re at minimum, a person places last based on participation vs no place at all for nonplay: by "enter", we mean "register"?

but for clarity, under a Con vote-if a person only registers and plays 1 of 13 tournaments, and ended up last in that one game, for example, are you saying that anyone who plays, for example 6 games and ends last place every time, would end up higher in the ranks for the season than the person who only played 1 tournament and ended up last in that particular tournament?

and for clarity, under a Con vote-would a person who registers for 6 of 13 tournaments but never makes it to any of the games, end up lower place for the season than a person who only registered for 6 and played all 6 tournaments and came in last every time of the people who actually played in those tournaments?

seeking yes/no answers to those 2 questions, making sure I understand what the Con vote about participation points actually means in application.