TSP Poker Club

[k0nkuzh0n]

I believe that is correct. Create and delete games.

However, you can set the games to be recurring, that's what I do.

Does it automatically recreate the next one, without any intervention? If so, then winter is covered.

 

[FogSailing]

I third Gato, Winter, and K...

I agree with Burro...He has other gifts...

FS

 

[burrocrat]

i don't think the transition requires starting a new club for the third time, current manager can grant manager control to a new leader. and there are already two admin with most of the full privileges (tom and tommy4), the history and game structure is already there. why reinvent the wheel?

also, i don't think we should destroy established performance records and game logs. just because we don't like the story it tells, history should not be changed because you can't just erase the experiences and time of a dozen people who were also a party to it when one wishes to forget. if that were true then teach me that trick because i can think of a few times in my life i'd like to go back and redress.

and on a somewhat related note, if nobody has done it yet: i nominate tom for president. is there a second?

 

[FogSailing]

There is a saying: "To those whom much is give, much is expected". I don't think it has anything to do with the nomination process but it sounds cool..

FS

 

[burrocrat]

so I'm not as confused as I thought I was. I'm good with 10 of 13 for next season. I wasn't paying close attention to the prize conversation for this season and those earlier decisions about that very closely, as I didn't have any personal investment in that decision, not with my beginner playing skills or lack thereof.

so I leave it to the players in the top half of the cadre for this season to finalize the prize contest metrics for the current season.

there are no prizes for this first season, only pride, which if you listened to your mother cometh before the fall.

 

[burrocrat]

and before any outsiders get all smug and laugh and point out what a dysfunctional family we are, i would ask them what does anyone anticipate when you put a dozen hungry poker playing dogs in a room and toss some fresh meat? all is well with the world, it works about as good as can be expected, probably just the way it was designed.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

and on a somewhat related note, if nobody has done it yet: i nominate tom for president. is there a second?

I'll second

 

[burrocrat]

four nominated and seconded candidates then now: alevin, kuz, gata, and tom.

maybe they can get together and broker an acceptable solution?

or we could keep taking nominees and eventually vote after all have spoke their strengths and weaknesses? i am not sure how this all works because i live in my own private dictatorship. and that's just the way i like it.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

Easily the most important piece of this entire, multi-page discussion. Regardless of status quo, THIS is the season that we need to 'try' things and flush out what works from what doesn't. We call it season 1, but its more of a preseason. We've been doing this for a few months now, but we are still relatively new and agile. We won't have the opportunities to tweak things very often once the next season starts.

there are no prizes for this first season, only pride, which if you listened to your mother cometh before the fall.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

I also nominate Burro as head of marketing and advertisement

 

[burrocrat]

Easily the most important piece of this entire, multi-page discussion. Regardless of status quo, THIS is the season that we need to 'try' things and flush out what works from what doesn't. We call it season 1, but its more of a preseason. We've been doing this for a few months now, but we are still relatively new and agile. We won't have the opportunities to tweak things very often once the next season starts.

ok, i think kuz is onto something here, everybody put down your torches and pitchforks for a bit, maybe this could be reasoned out.

 

[burrocrat]

I also nominate Burro as head of marketing and advertisement

the main problem with that is, it would be somebody else's brand (tsptalk) that gets associated with the marketing, and i completely recognize the hesitancy to hand the reigns of the wagon to the donkey, there are probably better drivers for that too. i am just a second string salesman, like willy lowman. only not as depressed.

and my friends call me 'burro'. i hate capital letters like an ocd hates labels on their cans of green beans in the cupboard stacked crooked.

 

[FogSailing]

Assuming Tom wants to be president, I'll third. I seem to be good at that...

Another famous quote for consideration by the "powers to be". With great power comes great accountability". I don't know who said that but wanted to rachet up the drama a bit..

FS

 

[userque]

Does it automatically recreate the next one, without any intervention? If so, then winter is covered.

Correct, once a recurring tourney is initially created, it'll auto-create new tourneys.

 

[alevin]

Correct, once a recurring tourney is initially created, it'll auto-create new tourneys.

That solves that particular concern I had. And a recent post resolves my heartburn about the idea of having to create yet another club. good deal, everyone. some of the disarray and associated heat and pressure is dissolving, and some forward motion is in sight.

thanks for refreshing my memory on the pride vs prizes for this original season. KO made great comment, this is our opportunity to do some additional tweaking before we move on to having additional enjoyable time actually playing for pride AND prizes in the next season.

It's ok that we circle back once or twice and look at prior decisions to see if they still help us meet the objectives of having fun, and for Tom, a value-add in terms of promoting his website and business venture here-not the original intent (which was strictly for fun), but definitely a beneficial development for him and for the other players with skills at the table both. I know public (local/state/fed)-private sector collaborative groups with wide range of personal and professional interests and reasons for participation in their common activity, who found common ground and purpose, high-functioning, have lasted for over 20 years, achieving great tangible results. they had very clear operating rules for their decision-making and group function and process and participation. I'm sure they went through some disarray at times in the early years too.

Oh, and my training on the subject of high-performing teams educated me that even long-standing groups go through the same 4-stages of team functionality and degrees and styles of managerial interaction whenever they take on a whole new project. We'll be ok.

 

[burrocrat]

oh. well then this poker bus is already driving on its own, like a google car or something.

off to the salt mines, i'll check back on this developing autocracy later this evening.

 

[FogSailing]

I think we need a Theme Song....I nominate the "The Gambler" by Kenny Rodgers...Can I get a second?

FS

 

[userque]

i don't think the transition requires starting a new club for the third time, current manager can grant manager control to a new leader. and there are already two admin with most of the full privileges (tom and tommy4), the history and game structure is already there. why reinvent the wheel?

A full transition requires starting a new club. Also, I don't think Manager rights can be transferred.

The history only includes the current three month season. K0n has more history.

We aren't re-inventing the wheel, we are putting it on a different vehicle.

also, i don't think we should destroy established performance records

K0n has the records.

and game logs.

Game logs aren't stored with the club.

just because we don't like the story it tells

I've addressed above that nothing is lost, but to be clear, my departure has nothing to do with a story. See my prior post explaining what I didn't like.

, history should not be changed because you can't just erase the experiences and time of a dozen people who were also a party to it when one wishes to forget.

History can't be changed. And, no, you can't erase history. I've never stated I wanted to forget something.

if that were true then teach me that trick because i can think of a few times in my life i'd like to go back and redress.

You should speak to someone about this.

 

[alevin]

Well darn, we still have to create another new club. I'll get over my heartburn, take some Peptobismol or something. 3d time's the charm, right?

 

[FogSailing]

That solves that particular concern I had. And a recent post resolves my heartburn about the idea of having to create yet another club. good deal, everyone. some of the disarray and associated heat and pressure is dissolving, and some forward motion is in sight.

thanks for refreshing my memory on the pride vs prizes for this original season. KO made great comment, this is our opportunity to do some additional tweaking before we move on to having additional enjoyable time actually playing for pride AND prizes in the next season.

It's ok that we circle back once or twice and look at prior decisions to see if they still help us meet the objectives of having fun, and for Tom, a value-add in terms of promoting his website and business venture here-not the original intent (which was strictly for fun), but definitely a beneficial development for him and for the other players with skills at the table both. I know public (local/state/fed)-private sector collaborative groups with wide range of personal and professional interests and reasons for participation in their common activity, who found common ground and purpose, high-functioning, have lasted for over 20 years, achieving great tangible results. they had very clear operating rules for their decision-making and group function and process and participation. I'm sure they went through some disarray at times in the early years too.

Oh, and my training on the subject of high-performing teams educated me that even long-standing groups go through the same 4-stages of team functionality and degrees and styles of managerial interaction whenever they take on a whole new project. We'll be ok.

Alevin...are we stormin, normin, or reformin?

FS