Market Talk / April 30 - May 6

The Fed needs to raise .50 at the next meeting and be very hawkish in their statement. If we break 82 - forget about it - the selling programs will kick in full bore.

Those in the F Fund may want to look at bailing today.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=usd

That is just my suggestion. :D You have to do your own due diligence.

If the Fed does this we will see the shorts in the USD get squeezed (like me) and the I fund take a hit.
 
Wizard said:
Price of gold is a good indicator of inflation. Please take a peek at the chart I just posted above. Inflating your wealth away (by printing new USDs - at a rate of 9% year on year) is a lot easier to swallow then just transferring your wealth out of your bank account. :sick:

Wizard said:
You pulled a Kudlow.

The historic rate is more like 10%.

The USD has lost 50% of it value in the last 30 years so it is all relative.

You "think you have more" but really you have less but you feel good about it.

(I manually transferred the second quote. Sorry :) )

Wow. Looks bad. Tell you start taking it apart. I would like to say that I do believe the I fund is a good place with the USD going down. It is going down to be sure. The market for the most part is our friend. Now, lets take what you had to say apart and see what we have.

Given-We will say that the market on average only returns 10%.

Given- In ten years the USD will only be worth half as much as it is today. (You said in 30 years the value is halved.) So we will use the number 10 years to play it safe.

We will start at zero year.

0. $1.00
1. $1.10
2. $1.21
3. $1.33
4. $1.46
5. $1.60
6. $1.76
7. $1.93
8. $2.12
9. $2.33 Half of this is $1.14. That would be fourteen cents more then we started with.

Ok. Now, lets look at gold. Have we ever seen it double in value and fall? I can recall that happening. What in the 70's was it? From around $200.00 to above $400.00. Gold and precious metals is only one indicator.

I see it better to be in foreign currencies and markets to be sure. Latin funds looking good, CAFTA and all. (CAFTA has not even been implemented, Yet.) Now, with TSP we only have so many funds to work with. Anyone that has the ability to get matching amounts and does not take it is missing out. Those that take it need to put it where it will do the most for them. You only have so many options. Don't cry about what the dollar is doing. Figure out what you can do to make your retirement better.

Ohh, I would like the dollar to be stronger. It does help us to have a weaker dollar. We will import less and export more. That's a good thing.
 
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This is currently what is moving the market. Earlier I had posted the economic calendar for today. The numbers returned were less than expected. Rate Hikes are comning to an end. Wizard, increasing the rate hikes as you say would deal the deathblow to the housing and financials sectors. Our economy is not growing fast enough to absorb the coming rate hikes. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.


Rate Picture Nears Focus

By Liz Rappaport
Markets Columnist
5/5/2006 10:21 AM EDT

Updated from 7:14 a.m. EDT





Stocks were looking for direction all week. On Friday, they got some.

According to the Labor Department, the U.S. economy added 138,000 nonfarm jobs last month, well short of economists' 205,000 consensus estimate. Despite evidence of robust wage growth, the number filled the beaks of policy doves and sent stock and bond prices skyward in early trading.

Recently, the S&P 500 was up 9 points, or 0.7%, to 1321, suggesting a five-year closing high is in reach for the broad market proxy. The Dow, which closed at six-year highs on Tuesday and Thursday, but posted declines on Monday and Wednesday, was recently up 0.6% at 11,508. Fixed-income traders also celebrated, pushing the yield on the 10-year note down 5 basis points to 5.11%.

Friday's report, which showed the unemployment rate holding steady at 4.7% and average hourly wages growing 0.5%, looked poised to end a frustrating week of indecision in the stock market. (Average hourly earnings were expected to rise 0.3%; the unemployment rate was expected to remain unchanged at 4.7%.)

With the Federal Reserve on the precipice of a possible shift in monetary policy, April's anemic gain suggests a "one and out" turn could be in the cards. While fed fund futures continue to price in a 100% chance of a quarter-point hike on May 10, odds of another bump in late June fell to 32% from 44% in the report's aftermath.

"It's a disappointment in terms of jobs added, but it builds speculation that the Fed will raise one more time and then pause in June," said Peter Cardillo of S.W. Bach & Co. "The report in itself showed jobs growth is much less robust, lessening concerns that the jobs market is overheating. All in all, this will feed the bulls."

Prior to the report, John Bollinger, president of Bollinger Capital, said the yield on the five-year Treasury bond would be key to divining the future. A strong number might have pushed the yield solidly past 5% and kept it there, he noted. As it happened, the five-year handle eased from 5.01% prior to the April number to 4.98% afterward.

While stocks and Treasuries rallied in the wake of the jobs report, the dollar continued its recent swoon. The euro was recently trading at $1.2753 vs. $1.2708 late Thursday. The dollar was at 112.63 yen vs. 113.64.

"It was the worst of both worlds (slower growth and rising inflationary threats)," Ashraf Laidi, chief currency analyst at MG Financial Group, says of the jobs data.

Stocks have been swatting away many challenges of late. Prior to Friday's report, it seemed the seesawing over "one and done" was fading as investors and traders started to focus instead on corporate earnings and strong balance sheets. The steps back are getting smaller as the Dow and the S&P move past six- and five-year highs, respectively, depending on the day.

"People's expectations are for one or two hikes to come, but that maybe the Fed will take a break," said Michael Driscoll, senior managing director of listed trading at Bear Stearns. Over the past five sessions, the odds that the Fed will hike in June had fluctuated between 24% and 60%, depending on who spoke that day or what data came out. Their now back to mid-April levels, before the Fedspeak-storm that culminated in Ben Bernanke's dinner chat with CNBC's Maria Bartiromo.

The buyers keep coming back, said Driscoll. For example, Wednesday and Thursday's declines in the price of crude oil from over $74 per barrel to $69.94 initially damaged stocks in the oil service sector, but they rebounded sharply off their lows, he noted. For example, Transocean (RIG:NYSE - commentary - research - Cramer's Take) and Halliburton (HAL:NYSE - commentary - research - Cramer's Take) closed up by 1.46% and 1.02%, respectively, Thursday on higher-than-average volume. In the same vein, the market didn't sell off as sharply on strong econ data this week, such as Wednesday's nonmanufacturing ISM report, as it did just last week following strong data such as the durable goods report.
The Element of Surprise

But payrolls, like any data these days, bring volatility. History shows that economists miss on their expectations for this data by an average of 90,000 jobs, says James Bianco, president of Bianco Research LLC. With median expectations at 205,000, Friday's print was within the range of possibility.

Possibly mitigating the surprise factor was a new monthly employment report released for the first time Wednesday by employment services provider Automatic Data Processing and Macroeconomic Advisers. The ADP National Employment report measures the change in nonfarm private employment each month, and its first release stated that 178,000 new jobs were added to the U.S. labor market in April.

Back-testing this new data series, there was a roughly 90% correlation between the monthly percent change in the ADP National Employment Report and the monthly percent change in nonfarm payrolls from January 2001 to December 2005, according to ADP.
Another Lagging Indicator
But given the Fed's stated "data dependency," it's important to recall the employment data are a lagging indicator. It's more important to recall given the recent trends in other measures of employments.

For the first time in four months, April's initial state unemployment claims rose 3.1%, noted John Lonski, chief economist at Moody's Investors Service. Initial jobless claims for the week ended April 29 were the highest this year at 322,000, as well. And key inflationary measure, unit labor costs, rose 2.5%, higher than the 1.2% expected increase.

"These disappointing jobs gains [including Friday's report] indicate that strong first-quarter growth is not carrying over into the second quarter," says Peter Morici, professor at Robert H. Smith School of Business at University of Maryland.

Speaking of lagging indicators, neither stagnating wages, rising rates, high gas prices, or a modestly slowing housing market kept consumers from shopping in April. Retail sales made a strong showing Thursday. Wal-Mart (WMT:NYSE - commentary - research - Cramer's Take) announced its same-store sales were up 6.8% for the month; Target's (TGT:NYSE - commentary - research - Cramer's Take) were up 10.4%, while Federated Department Stores (FD:NYSE - commentary - research - Cramer's Take) reported sales down 0.8%.
 
To those in the military that do not get matching and those that put in more then 5% into their TSP accounts. You may want to look at putting into a ROTH. Get the matching if you can. Anything above that you should look at the private sector. That ROTH is a great deal. You have more options and can do more things. I believe that taxes will go up in the future. Get the money and interest later tax-free what a deal. Pay the taxes now on your principal? Yea, especially if you get a lot of tax breaks. Lets, see I seem to recall the military does when stationed over seas. Things that people may want to look at. I am not telling anyone what to do. Just giving them some ideas at things they may want to look into.
 
05/03/2006 $8,359,417,405,652.46

12/30/2005 $8,170,424,541,313.62


What no one is paying taxes this year?

Not a good sign when the current account is going up at the start of the year.

It should be dropping due to incoming tax receipts.

:confused:

Another 120B "emergency funding" bill for Iraq and Katrina will be signed in the next couple days. :sick:

Hurricane season starts 1 June and we are still doing "emergency funding" for the last season. With the warm winter and Atlanic and Gulf not cooling as they normally do we could be in for some more CAT 5s. Lets hope not.
 
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I read somewhere that the National Deficit for 2005 grew exactly the same amount as was projected that Americans cheated on their taxes.

Funny, we are scr3wing ourselves :worried:
 
Don't worry the IRS is outsourcing tax collections.

Will be hoot to get a phone call from a call center in India telling you that you need to come up with some sort of payment agreement on your back U.S. federal taxes.
 
Looks like the bond market has finally read the data on the wage growth on the April job report.

If you know how to short the indexes. This may be a great time to do it. ;)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizard
Price of gold is a good indicator of inflation. Please take a peek at the chart I just posted above. Inflating your wealth away (by printing new USDs - at a rate of 9% year on year) is a lot easier to swallow then just transferring your wealth out of your bank account.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizard
You pulled a Kudlow.

The historic rate is more like 10%.

The USD has lost 50% of it value in the last 30 years so it is all relative.

You "think you have more" but really you have less but you feel good about it.


(I manually transferred the second quote. Sorry )

Wow. Looks bad. Tell you start taking it apart. I would like to say that I do believe the I fund is a good place with the USD going down. It is going down to be sure. The market for the most part is our friend. Now, lets take what you had to say apart and see what we have.

Given-We will say that the market on average only returns 10%.

Given- In ten years the USD will only be worth half as much as it is today. (You said in 30 years the value is halved.) So we will use the number 10 years to play it safe.

We will start at zero year.

0. $1.00
1. $1.10
2. $1.21
3. $1.33
4. $1.46
5. $1.60
6. $1.76
7. $1.93
8. $2.12
9. $2.33 Half of this is $1.14. That would be fourteen cents more then we started with.

Now for fun I worked it out to 30 years like you said would be when my money is worth half as much as it is today.

14. $3.72
19. $5.96
24. $9.58
29. $27.58 Half of this is $12.89 USD at todays value if all things hold equal. So that would be how much if you put only one dollar in the market after 30 years at todays value. True- life does not work that way. However, this is how history has been playing out. Ohh yes, I believe that the return is on average .18 a year over-all, not .1. The market is our friend.

Ok. Now, lets look at gold. Have we ever seen it double in value and fall? I can recall that happening. What in the 70's was it? From around $200.00 to above $400.00. Gold and precious metals is only one indicator.

I see it better to be in foreign currencies and markets to be sure. Latin funds looking good, CAFTA and all. (CAFTA has not even been implemented, Yet.) Now, with TSP we only have so many funds to work with. Anyone that has the ability to get matching amounts and does not take it is missing out. Those that take it need to put it where it will do the most for them. You only have so many options. Don't cry about what the dollar is doing. Figure out what you can do to make your retirement better.

Ohh, I would like the dollar to be stronger. It does help us to have a weaker dollar. We will import less and export more. That's a good thing.
 
Learning, one of the things you will learn is where not to direct your attention here at TSPtalk.

Dave
 
There was a double top on the SPX at 1318 and close to a bearish MACD crossunder - but we just blew the hell out of that one. Good show of character finally from the BULLS. Many new all-time highs again today. All breadth MCOs of various indexes are back above their zero lines...yeh!
 
learning said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizard
Price of gold is a good indicator of inflation. Please take a peek at the chart I just posted above. Inflating your wealth away (by printing new USDs - at a rate of 9% year on year) is a lot easier to swallow then just transferring your wealth out of your bank account.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizard
You pulled a Kudlow.

The historic rate is more like 10%.

The USD has lost 50% of it value in the last 30 years so it is all relative.

You "think you have more" but really you have less but you feel good about it.


(I manually transferred the second quote. Sorry )

Wow. Looks bad. Tell you start taking it apart. I would like to say that I do believe the I fund is a good place with the USD going down. It is going down to be sure. The market for the most part is our friend. Now, lets take what you had to say apart and see what we have.

Given-We will say that the market on average only returns 10%.

Given- In ten years the USD will only be worth half as much as it is today. (You said in 30 years the value is halved.) So we will use the number 10 years to play it safe.

We will start at zero year.

0. $1.00
1. $1.10
2. $1.21
3. $1.33
4. $1.46
5. $1.60
6. $1.76
7. $1.93
8. $2.12
9. $2.33 Half of this is $1.14. That would be fourteen cents more then we started with.

Now for fun I worked it out to 30 years like you said would be when my money is worth half as much as it is today.

14. $3.72
19. $5.96
24. $9.58
29. $27.58 Half of this is $12.89 USD at todays value if all things hold equal. So that would be how much if you put only one dollar in the market after 30 years at todays value. True- life does not work that way. However, this is how history has been playing out. Ohh yes, I believe that the return is on average .18 a year over-all, not .1. The market is our friend.

Ok. Now, lets look at gold. Have we ever seen it double in value and fall? I can recall that happening. What in the 70's was it? From around $200.00 to above $400.00. Gold and precious metals is only one indicator.

I see it better to be in foreign currencies and markets to be sure. Latin funds looking good, CAFTA and all. (CAFTA has not even been implemented, Yet.) Now, with TSP we only have so many funds to work with. Anyone that has the ability to get matching amounts and does not take it is missing out. Those that take it need to put it where it will do the most for them. You only have so many options. Don't cry about what the dollar is doing. Figure out what you can do to make your retirement better.

Ohh, I would like the dollar to be stronger. It does help us to have a weaker dollar. We will import less and export more. That's a good thing.
So... does this mean... as the value of the US dollar drops world wide... so does the value of our US TSP investment; no matter what fund we're tied to? Man, not good. :confused:
 
Tom had this in his comments from April 18th.

" That is not great news for the interest rate story. This also put pressure on the U.S. dollar which dropped more than modestly yesterday helping out the I fund. The EAFE was actually down .34% in local (international) currency. In U.S. dollars the EAFE was up .92% proving once again just how much of an impact the fluctuations of the dollar have on international indexes and the I fund.
The recent uptrend was again broken. The question is, was that just a test of the recent low, or is the current uptrend in jeopardy? If it is coming to an end, the I fund would be your best bet for stocks for a while."

Since Apr 18th, the I fund has increased 99 cents a share. ( and still climbing??? ) :nuts:


And again Tom's comments from April 20th

" The 10-day moving average of the of the OEX put/call (options) indicator is showing us that the smart money is actually loading up on call options, telling us that the more sophisticated traders and investors are getting more bullish. This is a positive for the market. The indicator isn't quite at a buy signal but the closer it gets to the .90, the more likely the market will give us a week or two of solid gains.
It is not a long term indicator but it quite good at finding short term market bottoms. Which is also true of the AAII Investor Sentiment Survey. This one blew me away. Even after Tuesday's nearly 2% gain in stocks, and Wednesday's follow through, the new survey actually came in at 34% bullish, 41% bearish. That 41% bearish is a key number as it can indicate a short term bottom. At the market bottom in October it hit 46%, and in early January it hit 40%. Both preceded rallies. "

Even though the C and S fund have been going sideways since early last week, this weeks' rally falls within the two week time frame Tom commented about above.:nuts:

Thanks Tom $ :D $

P.S. I also paying an attention to your comment today..." If you've made good money this year, my suggestion is not to get too greedy. Do your account a favor and don't give it all back. If the market jumps up to new highs you are going to have a great opportunity to sell near the top. " :cool:
 
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The point I was trying to make is we are ok. If we invest our money wisely we will be alright. Only if we duck our heads in the sand do we have to worry. We can have a good retirement if we invest our money wisely.
 
I was out for today and missed the rally. Congratulations to those who kicked butt today. At least I kept 25% in the I fund so it wasn’t a total loss . Maybe I will get the G Penny .
I thought the job report would have been higher then was reported.
Oh well must be grateful for what I did make, and not for what I could have had.
I am doing well at poker that’s a change.
Two weeks to bartender’s week in the FL Keys.
Have a good weekend.
 
Wow.

"I" fund up to 20.75. Cool.

"C" pops up to 14.48

"S" up to 18.24

But now I am still concerned about this runup. Thanks Tom for the information posted the last couple days. It's really got me to thinking that soon, very very soon, I need to back off a little of my 80% "I" , 10% each in "C" and "S", and need to take some of the gains and be happy.

Good can kill you.

Remember Black Monday? 25% loss in one day?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_(1987)

I should have learned my lesson then. I really need to think about taking some off the table here and enjoying the gain.

But I just can't help myself......

Greed.

All I can say is..... Wow.
 
Booking your gains may also cost you additional gains... gotta know when to hold, know when to fold'em... Again, it's not what the market has done, but rather, what do you think the market will do. Equity rescuing (gambling) and equity hoarding may cheat you out of more than you save.

Catching the dip vs riding the wave... timings tricky with a two day delay.
 
Spartan said:
Wimpy, all I hear from you are the problems. I dont hear any answers. Your purpose for the bearish dogma? Save us all from the pending economic windfall?

If you had answers, you should share them. Since you don't, save the rhetoric and polemics for the enemy. I hear the Saudi Arabian investors are pitching some of your bill, maybe they'd like your rassle.

Or maybe we need more people like you in office, so you dont smile away and say it will all be ok. I hear Bush is having a hard time even convincing himself of that nowadays.

You must have lost a lot of money in the US funds eh?

You don’t hear any answers because your Crusader cap is pulled down over your ears.:D
 
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