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rokid wrote:
What happened to Wonder Woman?
Pursueing an opportunity. She promised to lurk! but, knowing her, she might fly in anytime!
 
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Greg wrote:
teknobucks wrote:
for the record whatare your top teninternet bbs handles??? LOL
Hi Tek, The 10 that I probably use the most are:


greg
El Vis
marley
Susan_in_45390
texas*charlie
Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
hillary2008
Big Donnie
biker chick
chunky_lover_1959

If you see me on an other bbs using one of these, PM me to say hi.
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http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6704/not_as_hot.wav
 
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teknobucks wrote:
for the record whatare your top teninternet bbs handles??? LOL
Hi Tek, The 10 that I probably use the most are:


greg
El Vis
marley
Susan_in_45390
texas*charlie
Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
hillary2008
Big Donnie
biker chick
chunky_lover_1959

If you see me on an other bbs using one of these, PM me to say hi.
 
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Greg wrote:
The Nation's Top 10 Natural Disasters
Sep 14 5:13 PM US/Eastern

By The Associated Press
Prior to Hurricane Katrina, the nation's 10 deadliest natural disasters.

1. Galveston (Texas) Hurricane, 1900, estimated 8,000 deaths

2. Great Okeechobee Hurricane in Florida, 1928, estimated 2,500-plus

3. Johnstown, Pa., Flood, 1889, estimated 2,200-plus

4. Louisiana Hurricane, 1893, 2,000-plus

5. South Carolina-Georgia Hurricane, 1893, 1,000-2,000

6. Great New England Hurricane, 1938, 720

7. San Francisco Earthquake, 1906, 700

8. Georgia-South Carolina Hurricane, 1881, 700

9. Tri-State Tornado in Missouri, Illinois and Indiana, 1925, 695

10. Labor Day Hurricane that hit the Florida Keys, 1935, 405
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Source: Rusty Pfost, meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
ok greg....now that u r back..... as greg anyway.:P

for the record whatare your top teninternet bbs handles??? LOL

kinda expect the 5th here:x
 
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rokid wrote:
Technobucks,

Sorry, if I beenshrill lately. I believe in good government - local, state, and federal. I've been military/federal civil servant for over 35 years and HATE to see the fedsscrew up because of poor leadership. There are too many good people in both the military and the federal government putting their lives on the line and giving 110%.

I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around. In addition,I don't expect too much from New Orleans or Louisiana - too poor, too racist, and too corrupt. However, I do expect a lot of the federal government - they've got the money and the expertise. When I don't get the appropriate federal response, I'm mad as hell!

Rokid
just noticed this post...... completely understand where u r coming from.

suppose the lesson 4 us all is not to count on any help from any govt. source...if it comes great....just do not expect it.

no worries rokid
 
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The Nation's Top 10 Natural Disasters
Sep 14 5:13 PM US/Eastern

By The Associated Press
Prior to Hurricane Katrina, the nation's 10 deadliest natural disasters.

1. Galveston (Texas) Hurricane, 1900, estimated 8,000 deaths

2. Great Okeechobee Hurricane in Florida, 1928, estimated 2,500-plus

3. Johnstown, Pa., Flood, 1889, estimated 2,200-plus

4. Louisiana Hurricane, 1893, 2,000-plus

5. South Carolina-Georgia Hurricane, 1893, 1,000-2,000

6. Great New England Hurricane, 1938, 720

7. San Francisco Earthquake, 1906, 700

8. Georgia-South Carolina Hurricane, 1881, 700

9. Tri-State Tornado in Missouri, Illinois and Indiana, 1925, 695

10. Labor Day Hurricane that hit the Florida Keys, 1935, 405
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Source: Rusty Pfost, meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
 
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I think he just likes to turn over rocks. There's all kinds of crawly things under there. :P
 
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Quips wrote:
About the Author
Paul D. Collins has studied suppressed history and the shadowy undercurrents of world political dynamics for roughly eleven years. In 1999, he completed his Associate of Arts and Science degree. He is working to complete his Bachelor's degree, with a major in Communications and a minor in Political Science.
Suppressed history? Yeah, this guy looks like a real scholar.

I think incompetence is the best explanation for this event. Keep it simple!
 
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For those conspiracy theorists and those who believe them, the following may be of some interest:

Katrina and the Politics of Disaster | Paul Collins
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Katrina_Politics_Disaster.htm



In the wake of hurricane Katrina, many within the government are ducking for cover as the blame game begins. One individual who has been targeted is Michael Brown, the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The Associated Press reported the following:



The top U.S. disaster official waited hours after Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast before he proposed to his boss sending at least 1,000 Homeland Security workers into the region to support rescuers, internal documents show.

Part of the mission, according to the documents obtained by The Associated Press, was to ``convey a positive image'' about the government's response for victims.

Acknowledging that such a move would take two days, Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29.

Before then, FEMA had positioned smaller rescue and communications teams across the Gulf Coast. But officials acknowledged the first department-wide appeal for help came only as the storm raged.

Brown's memo to Chertoff described Katrina as ``this near catastrophic event'' but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, ``Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities.'' (No pagination)
Michael Brown is not the only one with a bull's eye on his chest. Former Clinton advisor Sydney Blumenthal also got in on the fun, placing blame squarely on the President's shoulders:


In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war. (No pagination)
Many in the mainstream media have interpreted these revelations the same way: gross incompetence on the part of the government. Apparently, Uncle Sam cannot get a thing right these days. What the media has completely missed (or ignored) is how certain factions within government could use the Katrina catastrophe to introduce social changes previously unthinkable. There is a discomforting possibility that Americans must consider in light of the fact that there is no one else looking out for their best interest. It is the possibility that warnings were ignored and assistance was intentionally delayed to create a pretext for unprecedented government growth.

One supporter of this contention is Paul Craig Roberts, the former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury. On the 5th September 2005 Alex Jones show, Roberts: "agreed that FEMA has deliberately withheld aid, and cut emergency communication lines, and automatically made the crisis look worse in order to empower the image of a police state emerging to 'save the day'" (Watson and Jones, no pagination). Steve Watson and Alex Jones also report:


Roberts further commented "There is no excuse for this, we have never had in our history the federal government take a week to respond to a disaster...this is the first time ever that the help was not mobilized in advance. The proper procedure is that everything is mobilized and ready to go." (No pagination)
Roberts can hardly be called a conspiracy theorist. The former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury has recognized a certain game plan at work in the Katrina situation. This game plan has been used for centuries. Researcher Ralph Epperson elaborates:


The first step consisted of having the conspiracy's own people infiltrate the government (the "pressure from above.")

The second step was to create a real or alleged grievance, usually through either an action of government or through some situation where the government should have acted and didn't.

The third step consisted in having a mob created by the real or alleged grievance that the government or the conspiracy caused demand that the problem be solved by a governmental action (the "pressure from below.")

The fourth step consisted in having the conspirators in the government remedy the real or alleged situation with some oppressive legislation.

The fifth step is a repeat of the last three. The government does not solve the problem and the mob demand more and more legislation until the government becomes totalitarian in nature by possessing all of the power. (37)
If this method were fully implemented, it would be no exaggeration to describe the end result as being a Soviet-style America. One of the government agencies that have much to gain from the execution of this technique is FEMA.

Michael Brown may become a sacrificial lamb. However, the Agency he heads, FEMA, has much to gain from the Katrina catastrophe. The hurricane disaster may lead to calls for increasing FEMA's budget and power. In a hopes of silencing his critics, the President may favor such a move. America would then fall back to sleep, believing FEMA had its back covered in the event of another disaster. However, several researchers have recognized that FEMA has little to do with emergency relief. One such individual was deceased researcher Jim Keith. In his book, Black Helicopters Over America, Keith noted the following concerning FEMA:


FEMA is intended to assume the powers of government during "emergencies," even to the extent of taking over the powers of the President, if the situation is believed to warrant it. The organization is located in the top secret National Security Agency facility in Fort Meade, Maryland. In its more benign aspects, FEMA is seen as an "umbrella" agency that, during times of disaster or natural cataclysm, will step into to throw the stricken populace life preservers. But there are aspects of FEMA which have some worried, one being that only a small percentage, less than 10% of FEMA employees according to a Congressional investigation, is engaged in anything having to do with disaster relief. So what the hell is FEMA doing behind those closed doors at Fort Meade? Among other things, the agency is engaged in compiling computer records on millions of Americans, to provide a database for CAPS, Crisis Action Programs, to be deployed whenever the non-elected bureaucrats of FEMA anticipate something which might compromise almighty COG, what they term the "Continuity of Government." (108)
Was Keith merely being an alarmist when he penned these words? In his book The Triangle of Death, former DEA agent Michael Levine records a conversation he had with a CIA agent that reinforces Jim Keith's contention:


"How can you be so good at what you do and have so little understanding of what really pulls your strings? Don't you realize that there are factions in your government that want this to happen - an emergency situation too hot for a constitutional government to handle."

"To what end?" I asked.

"A suspension of the Constitution, of course. The legislation is already in place. All perfectly legal. Check it out yourself. It's called FEMA. Federal Emergency Management Agency. 'Turn in your guns, you antigovernment rabble rousers. And who would be king, Michael?" (353)
In an interview with William Norman Grigg, Levine made it clear that this account was not fictitious:


According to Levine, this shocking exchange is not the product of an imagination fed by alarmist myths. "That scenario…came from a specific conversation I had with a CIA officer in Argentina in 1979," Levine informed The New American. "There was a small group of us gathered for a drinking at the CIA guy's apartment. There were several Argentine police officers there as well; at the time, Argentina was a police state in which people could be taken into custody without warning, tortured, and then 'disappeared.'"

"At one point my associate in the CIA said that he preferred Argentina's approach to social order, and that America should be more like that country," Levine continues. "Somebody asked, 'Well, how does a change of that sort happen?' The spook replied that it was necessary to create a situation of public fear - a sense of impending anarchy and social upheaval…"(11)
The lack of response on the part of the government to hurricane Katrina created a situation just like that described by Levine's CIA acquaintance. An August 31, 2005 WWLTV news report seems to suggest that the situation had the desired effect:


Disgusted and furious with the lawlessness of looters who have put fear into citizens, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared Martial Law in the city and directed the city's 1,500 person police force to do "whatever it takes" to regain control of the city.

Nagin said that Martial Law means that officers don't have to worry about civil rights and Miranda rights in stopping the looters. (No pagination)
With the proper pretext now in place, FEMA could enter the scene. Lieutenant-general Carl A. Strock of the Army Corps of Engineers informed the press that FEMA was heading up the federal response: "Ultimately, the corps is directed, along with 15 other agencies, by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. 'It is FEMA who is really calling the shots and setting priorities here,' General Strock said" (Revkin, no pagination).

Indeed, FEMA is calling all the shots in New Orleans. In the event of a larger crisis, the agency's powers could be further augmented by Executive Order 11051. This Executive Order would allow FEMA to enact other Executive Orders, extending the organization's control over numerous state and federal functions. This control would overarch education, welfare, and health services (Executive Order 11051, no pagination). In addition, FEMA would wield substantial authority over America's financial institutions. The agency would regulate wages, credit, salaries, and the flow of capital (Executive Order 11051, no pagination). The nation's means of production and distribution would also be commandeered (no pagination). In short, the infrastructure of the United States would be effectively controlled by one omnipotent governmental entity. FEMA is a dictator's wet dream, and with Katrina it is starting to be given teeth.

The lesson to be learned from Katrina is fairly obvious. In the event of a catastrophe, we cannot depend on the government to be our savior. The politics of disaster are not about relief for the victims. They are about the acquisition of power.

Sources Cited
About the Author
Paul D. Collins has studied suppressed history and the shadowy undercurrents of world political dynamics for roughly eleven years. In 1999, he completed his Associate of Arts and Science degree. He is working to complete his Bachelor's degree, with a major in Communications and a minor in Political Science. Paul has authored another book entitled The Hidden Face of Terrorism: The Dark Side of Social Engineering, From Antiquity to September 11. Published in November 2002, the book is available online from http://www.1stbooks.com, barnesandnoble.com, and also amazon.com. It can be purchased as an e-book (ISBN 1-4033-6798-1) or in paperback format (ISBN 1-4033-6799-X).He also co-authored the book, The Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship: An Examination of Epistemic Autocracy, From the 19th to the 21st Century, which is available online here.
 
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El Vis,

Thanks for the info. Howver, don't go to the trouble of sending a copy. I'll have my son download a version.
 
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rokid wrote:
El Vis,

Very interesting. Were did you get that info? It really captures the feeling of the depression era.
It is a song actually from 1937. Mr. Cox is more famous for his song "NRA Blues" from 1938.

Norman Blake, my favorite musician, recorded "Democratic Donkey" in 1996 on hisalbum "The Hobo's Last Ride" (with Nancy). He must have thought it would be timely since Clinton was in the White House after Republicans being in for 12 years. I could send you a mp3 of the song.

"The New Lost City Ramblers" also rerecorded it back in the early 1960s.
 
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El Vis,

Very interesting. Were did you get that info? It really captures the feeling of the depression era.
 
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Quips wrote:
Democrats'symbol is the donkey.

Republican's symbol isthe elephant.

On January 19, 1870, a political cartoon by Thomas Nast appearing in Harper's Weekly titled "A Live Jackass Kicking a Dead Lion" for the first time symbolized the Democratic Party as a donkey. Since then, the donkey has been widely used as a symbol of the Party, though unlike the Republican elephant, the donkey has never been officially adopted as the Party's logo.

In the early 20th century, the traditional symbol of the Democratic Party in Midwestern states such as Indiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma and Ohio was the rooster, as opposed to the Republican eagle. This symbol still appears on Kentucky and Indiana ballots.
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1937 - Bill Cox - The Democratic Donkey is in His Stall Again

I've been a good old donkey, but they turned me out to die
They had me on the common, where the grass don't grow so high
But now I'm in the clover, and a field of golden grain
I'm back in old Columbie, in the same old stall again
They had me upsalt river, but I kicked the stable down
I knew that mister Roosevelt would ride me into town
He mounted to the saddle, he grabbed the bridle rein
I'm back in old Columbie, in the same old stall again

Chorus: He-haw hallelujah, he-haw hallelujah
I'm back in old Columbie, in the same old stall again

He shouted, on to Washington, cut a track and let us by
You never saw a donkey, in your life that jumped so high
He rode me on to victory, I carried him to fame
I'm back in old Columbie, in the same old stall again
The rooster and the eagle, fought a duel in the skies
While I was throwin gravel, in the big white elephant's eyes
The rooster fought the eagle, he proved that he was game
I'm back in old Columbie, in the same old stall again

Chorus;

They had me on the race track, for another stake this fall
Mister Roosevelt he rode me, to the presidental hall
Then he led me to the manger, to feed my hungry frame
I was back in old Columbie, in the same old stall again
You'll see my handsome profile, in the papers everywhere
And soon you'll hear em singin, about me on the air
The world is goin to miss me, when I'm dead and gone
But when the angels find me, I'll be sleepin in the White House lawn
 
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Technobucks,

Sorry, if I beenshrill lately. I believe in good government - local, state, and federal. I've been military/federal civil servant for over 35 years and HATE to see the fedsscrew up because of poor leadership. There are too many good people in both the military and the federal government putting their lives on the line and giving 110%.

I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around. In addition,I don't expect too much from New Orleans or Louisiana - too poor, too racist, and too corrupt. However, I do expect a lot of the federal government - they've got the money and the expertise. When I don't get the appropriate federal response, I'm mad as hell!

Rokid
 
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