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Spaf
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What should of, could of, will take time to sort out. What is, is important.
Spin will come from both extremes, the truth may remain cloudy for a long time.
Guard members in our office left immediately. I hope they are Ok!
Rgds, and be careful :? Spaf
What should of, could of, will take time to sort out. What is, is important.
Spin will come from both extremes, the truth may remain cloudy for a long time.
Guard members in our office left immediately. I hope they are Ok!
Rgds, and be careful :? Spaf
teknobucks
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rokid wrote:
Bush declared NOa disaster area prior 2 landfall.He called blanco and urged her to evac the city...offered all the federal aid she needed. The feds can not move in on a city and take over operations w/o the mayor and gov. giving them a green light.
do agree mikebrown is a little thin on experience......but that is the only thing in your post i can hang my hat on. this storm's dire outcome has nothing 2 do with ms. plame, iraq, or republicans v. democrats.
granted once the leeves failed the rate and quality at which govt. overall functioned was very poor and has no doubt added to the fatalities.
jmo
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rokid wrote:
Rokid!! u r kidding right???:shock:
Bush declared NOa disaster area prior 2 landfall.He called blanco and urged her to evac the city...offered all the federal aid she needed. The feds can not move in on a city and take over operations w/o the mayor and gov. giving them a green light.
do agree mikebrown is a little thin on experience......but that is the only thing in your post i can hang my hat on. this storm's dire outcome has nothing 2 do with ms. plame, iraq, or republicans v. democrats.
granted once the leeves failed the rate and quality at which govt. overall functioned was very poor and has no doubt added to the fatalities.
jmo
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And the spin begins..... If the Republicans and Karl Rove can spin their way out of this, they deserve the Nobel Prize for Spin.
Let's see, weight of welfare state causes New Orleans to sink below sea level. Levees, straightening of Mississippi, slashing of FEMA's budget and mission,withholding of funds from Army Corps of Engineers, and global warming found not to be at fault by intelligent design scientists.
Ockham's Razor would suggest that the simplest solution, i.e. criminal incompetence by FEMA’s Mike Brown,the Department of Homeland Security’s Mike Chertoff, and President Bush, is probably correct.
You also might want to consider that the FEMA director’s previous job (prior to FEMA) was Director of International Arabian Horse Association – and they asked him to resign. Brown’s previous FEMA boss and mentor, Joe M. Allbaugh, is now a contractor competing for FEMA contracts.Hmmmm.
Finally, the Washington Post retracted their statement that Louisiana’s Governor Blanco didn't ask for federal assistance. Apparently, the Post accepted the lie, delivered by senior administration officials on behalf of the Rove damage control operation, as the truth, without checking it with Governor Blanco.
This is going to be very interesting - "high crimes and misdemeanors?" The independant investigation into this failure should start just as Iraq heats up and Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald’s report on who in the administration outed CIA agent Valerie Plame is released.
As Yogi Berra says, “you can look it up!”
And the spin begins..... If the Republicans and Karl Rove can spin their way out of this, they deserve the Nobel Prize for Spin.
Let's see, weight of welfare state causes New Orleans to sink below sea level. Levees, straightening of Mississippi, slashing of FEMA's budget and mission,withholding of funds from Army Corps of Engineers, and global warming found not to be at fault by intelligent design scientists.
Ockham's Razor would suggest that the simplest solution, i.e. criminal incompetence by FEMA’s Mike Brown,the Department of Homeland Security’s Mike Chertoff, and President Bush, is probably correct.
You also might want to consider that the FEMA director’s previous job (prior to FEMA) was Director of International Arabian Horse Association – and they asked him to resign. Brown’s previous FEMA boss and mentor, Joe M. Allbaugh, is now a contractor competing for FEMA contracts.Hmmmm.
Finally, the Washington Post retracted their statement that Louisiana’s Governor Blanco didn't ask for federal assistance. Apparently, the Post accepted the lie, delivered by senior administration officials on behalf of the Rove damage control operation, as the truth, without checking it with Governor Blanco.
This is going to be very interesting - "high crimes and misdemeanors?" The independant investigation into this failure should start just as Iraq heats up and Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald’s report on who in the administration outed CIA agent Valerie Plame is released.
As Yogi Berra says, “you can look it up!”
teknobucks
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Another view: An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State
by Robert Tracinski
Sep 02, 2005
by Robert Tracinski
It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.
If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.
Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.
But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.
The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.
The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.
The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.
When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).
So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?
To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from aWashington Times story:
"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.
"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....
"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.
" 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "
The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.
What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?
Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?
My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)
What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.
There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.
All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.
No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.
What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.
But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.
The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.
Another view: An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State
by Robert Tracinski
Sep 02, 2005
by Robert Tracinski
It has taken four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has also taken me four long days to figure out what is going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.
If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.
Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself included--did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.
But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.
The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.
The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over the past four days. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.
The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.
When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).
So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?
To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from aWashington Times story:
"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.
"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....
"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.
" 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "
The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows National Guard troops, with rifles and armored vests, riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.
What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Super Dome?
Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?
My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage last night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)
What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or so who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just let many of them loose. There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.
There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.
All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters--not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.
No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.
What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.
But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.
The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages--is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.
Show-me
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The DHS Transition
Department Six-point Agenda
A six-point agenda for the Department of Homeland Security is planned to ensure that the Department’s policies, operations, and structures are aligned in the best way to address the potential threats – both present and future – that face our nation.
The six-point agenda will guide the department in the near term and result in changes that will:
1. Increase overall preparedness, particularly for catastrophic events
2. Create better transportation security systems to move people and cargo more securely and efficiently
3. Strengthen border security and interior enforcement and reform immigration processes;
4. Enhance information sharing with our partners
5. Improve DHS financial management, human resource development, procurement and information technology
6. Realign the DHS organization to maximize mission performance.
Mission
We will lead the unified national effort to secure America. We will prevent and deter terrorist attacks and protect against and respond to threats and hazards to the nation. We will ensure safe and secure borders, welcome lawful immigrants and visitors, and promote the free-flow of commerce.
Strategic Goals
Awareness -- Identify and understand threats, assess vulnerabilities, determine potential impacts and disseminate timely information to our homeland security partners and the American public.
Prevention -- Detect, deter and mitigate threats to our homeland.
Protection -- Safeguard our people and their freedoms, critical infrastructure, property and the economy of our Nation from acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies.
Response -- Lead, manage and coordinate the national response to acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies.
Recovery -- Lead national, state, local and private sector efforts to restore services and rebuild communities after acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies.
Service -- Serve the public effectively by facilitating lawful trade, travel and immigration.
Organizational Excellence -- Value our most important resource, our people. Create a culture that promotes a common identity, innovation, mutual respect, accountability and teamwork to achieve efficiencies, effectiveness, and operational synergies.
This is most disappointing. Point 1 and 2 failed of the six point agenda. I would say the Protection, Response, and Recovery parts of the “Strategic Goals” fell short. Someone need to get fired over this but I sure they get to stick around like George Tenent did. FEMA failed, Homeland Security failed, the Governor of Louisiana failed, the Mayor of New Orleans failed, the Guard failed, the cops failed and on and on and on. What if this were a dirty bomb or a nuke power plant? What’s going to happen if there is a bio-hazard, SARs, bird flu, ect. They saw this coming. Isn’t there catch phrase “Be Prepared”. A lot of tax payer money obviously got poured down a big black private industry hole and the tax payer got the shaft. SNAFU!!!!! It sickens me to no end and I sure it will continue. I am now going to get very drunk and watch Deer Hunter because I have never seen it. End of rant.
The DHS Transition
Department Six-point Agenda
A six-point agenda for the Department of Homeland Security is planned to ensure that the Department’s policies, operations, and structures are aligned in the best way to address the potential threats – both present and future – that face our nation.
The six-point agenda will guide the department in the near term and result in changes that will:
1. Increase overall preparedness, particularly for catastrophic events
2. Create better transportation security systems to move people and cargo more securely and efficiently
3. Strengthen border security and interior enforcement and reform immigration processes;
4. Enhance information sharing with our partners
5. Improve DHS financial management, human resource development, procurement and information technology
6. Realign the DHS organization to maximize mission performance.
Mission
We will lead the unified national effort to secure America. We will prevent and deter terrorist attacks and protect against and respond to threats and hazards to the nation. We will ensure safe and secure borders, welcome lawful immigrants and visitors, and promote the free-flow of commerce.
Strategic Goals
Awareness -- Identify and understand threats, assess vulnerabilities, determine potential impacts and disseminate timely information to our homeland security partners and the American public.
Prevention -- Detect, deter and mitigate threats to our homeland.
Protection -- Safeguard our people and their freedoms, critical infrastructure, property and the economy of our Nation from acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies.
Response -- Lead, manage and coordinate the national response to acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies.
Recovery -- Lead national, state, local and private sector efforts to restore services and rebuild communities after acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies.
Service -- Serve the public effectively by facilitating lawful trade, travel and immigration.
Organizational Excellence -- Value our most important resource, our people. Create a culture that promotes a common identity, innovation, mutual respect, accountability and teamwork to achieve efficiencies, effectiveness, and operational synergies.
This is most disappointing. Point 1 and 2 failed of the six point agenda. I would say the Protection, Response, and Recovery parts of the “Strategic Goals” fell short. Someone need to get fired over this but I sure they get to stick around like George Tenent did. FEMA failed, Homeland Security failed, the Governor of Louisiana failed, the Mayor of New Orleans failed, the Guard failed, the cops failed and on and on and on. What if this were a dirty bomb or a nuke power plant? What’s going to happen if there is a bio-hazard, SARs, bird flu, ect. They saw this coming. Isn’t there catch phrase “Be Prepared”. A lot of tax payer money obviously got poured down a big black private industry hole and the tax payer got the shaft. SNAFU!!!!! It sickens me to no end and I sure it will continue. I am now going to get very drunk and watch Deer Hunter because I have never seen it. End of rant.
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teknobucks wrote:
teknobucks wrote:
I'm not so sure about that (depends on context), BUT, they DID save the bus, didn't they? Besides, they borrowed it for a very compelling reason...I doubt anyone was going to KEEP it.
teknobucks wrote:
Very. The Media are heartless, callous. Which is worse, free press or a state-controlled one? hmmmmm....
teknobucks wrote:
Yes, morality is not inversely proportional to income. It is unfortunate that we glorify immorality and shun good behaviour. It really makes the case for fascism.
teknobucks wrote:
I'm not so sure about that (depends on context), BUT, they DID save the bus, didn't they? Besides, they borrowed it for a very compelling reason...I doubt anyone was going to KEEP it.
teknobucks wrote:
Very. The Media are heartless, callous. Which is worse, free press or a state-controlled one? hmmmmm....
teknobucks
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/orleans.levees/index.html
and ....... http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16494464%5E1702,00.html
aol keyword 4 penn=looooooser!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/orleans.levees/index.html
and ....... http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16494464%5E1702,00.html
aol keyword 4 penn=looooooser!
teknobucks
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few posts from other boards about no and looting>>>>
Imagine... you are in a flooded city. It's 90+degrees and humid, garbage and dead bodies in the streets. You haven't eaten for days. There is a store with food, medicine, toilet paper, maybe guns and ammo you might be able to use to protect yourself since the cops have turned in their badges. You have no money, and even if you did there is no cashier to take it. What would you do?
This is the kind of crime I support.
This guy will probably go to prison because he out-thought the Mayor and Govenor!
News report: "Stolen" Bus to Astrodome
"In an extreme act of looting, one group actually stole a bus to escape ravaged areas in Louisiana.
About 100 people packed into the stolen bus. They were the first to enter the Houston Astrodome, but they weren't exactly welcomed."
WHY DIDN'T THEY DEPLOY THE BUSES DURING THE MANDATORY EVACUATION?
Hindsight is always better than foresight.
Humble
You'll find that EVEN!!! the majority of the poor folk(including black folk) in ANY area are just as law-abiding as any white folks in good areas......But these folks just don't get a look in on the media anytime(criminality sells,especially black criminality)...good law-abiding behaviour doesn't.
What you've been watching on tv media is/was not "Looting" but out and out 'SURVIVAL' ........Me and EVERYONE! else on this board would do EXACTLY THE SAME! in the same situation......Anyone on here who says different is LYING!
Who knows,these well-manicured/lip-glossed reporters might go out to film and talk to the REAL criminals.....But then again nooooo! they won't, tis far too dangerous for the media-luvvies(the real criminals/looters have guns).....Much easier to give the tag of 'looter' to husbands/wives/sons/daughters/grandads & grandmas(not forgetting they have to be black) who have been left with NO! option/choice,but to HELP themselves.........Again tis called "SURVIVAL" matey.
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Hows the major catastrophy playing over here?.....It isn't......Sure we're getting all the pictures......But the commentary isn't about how we folks over here can help(i.e...Info/phone numbers etc so people can donate to help USA out).....Honest tis all about.. "How can we the media pin all this on 'Bad ol' George' again.
SHAMEFUL nothing less!.........IMVHO!!!!
Over & out!.........V
few posts from other boards about no and looting>>>>
Imagine... you are in a flooded city. It's 90+degrees and humid, garbage and dead bodies in the streets. You haven't eaten for days. There is a store with food, medicine, toilet paper, maybe guns and ammo you might be able to use to protect yourself since the cops have turned in their badges. You have no money, and even if you did there is no cashier to take it. What would you do?
This is the kind of crime I support.
This guy will probably go to prison because he out-thought the Mayor and Govenor!
News report: "Stolen" Bus to Astrodome
"In an extreme act of looting, one group actually stole a bus to escape ravaged areas in Louisiana.
About 100 people packed into the stolen bus. They were the first to enter the Houston Astrodome, but they weren't exactly welcomed."
WHY DIDN'T THEY DEPLOY THE BUSES DURING THE MANDATORY EVACUATION?
Hindsight is always better than foresight.
Humble
You'll find that EVEN!!! the majority of the poor folk(including black folk) in ANY area are just as law-abiding as any white folks in good areas......But these folks just don't get a look in on the media anytime(criminality sells,especially black criminality)...good law-abiding behaviour doesn't.
What you've been watching on tv media is/was not "Looting" but out and out 'SURVIVAL' ........Me and EVERYONE! else on this board would do EXACTLY THE SAME! in the same situation......Anyone on here who says different is LYING!
Who knows,these well-manicured/lip-glossed reporters might go out to film and talk to the REAL criminals.....But then again nooooo! they won't, tis far too dangerous for the media-luvvies(the real criminals/looters have guns).....Much easier to give the tag of 'looter' to husbands/wives/sons/daughters/grandads & grandmas(not forgetting they have to be black) who have been left with NO! option/choice,but to HELP themselves.........Again tis called "SURVIVAL" matey.
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Hows the major catastrophy playing over here?.....It isn't......Sure we're getting all the pictures......But the commentary isn't about how we folks over here can help(i.e...Info/phone numbers etc so people can donate to help USA out).....Honest tis all about.. "How can we the media pin all this on 'Bad ol' George' again.
SHAMEFUL nothing less!.........IMVHO!!!!
Over & out!.........V
Show-me
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One thing that we need to realize is that you need to have a plan. Where to meet in an emergency. You also need to the basic provisions for you and your families. Have them packed and ready to go in case you have to leave the area quickly. I live in a rural and I am the last one to get service when the power goes out because the main line and the small towns have precedence. “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.” We all need to learn from this horrible disaster. Organizing a tremendous rescue and relief effort is a time critical task.
As a former Marine I am not at all impressed with the rescue and relief effort. The local guard unit was put on notice on Tuesday evening. That tells me they knew that it was bad. Left for Springfield, IL on Wednesday after some briefings and training. Left for N.O. on Thursday and spent the night in Memphis, TN on Thursday night. That the last update I received. They should have been already trained and on the way by Wednesday. Any briefings could be done on the way or upon arrival. I am just saddened by the response of the greatest county in the world. If you watch Meet the Press today you would be too.
One thing that we need to realize is that you need to have a plan. Where to meet in an emergency. You also need to the basic provisions for you and your families. Have them packed and ready to go in case you have to leave the area quickly. I live in a rural and I am the last one to get service when the power goes out because the main line and the small towns have precedence. “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.” We all need to learn from this horrible disaster. Organizing a tremendous rescue and relief effort is a time critical task.
As a former Marine I am not at all impressed with the rescue and relief effort. The local guard unit was put on notice on Tuesday evening. That tells me they knew that it was bad. Left for Springfield, IL on Wednesday after some briefings and training. Left for N.O. on Thursday and spent the night in Memphis, TN on Thursday night. That the last update I received. They should have been already trained and on the way by Wednesday. Any briefings could be done on the way or upon arrival. I am just saddened by the response of the greatest county in the world. If you watch Meet the Press today you would be too.
teknobucks
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true it was a BFS and de-wateringnew orleans is no small task.
here are a few more Hurricane Katrina links:
Local newspapers, good articles/photos:
New Orleans Times-Picayune: http://www.nola.com
Jackson Clarion-Ledger: http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage
Biloxi Sun Herald: http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald
How to help
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9115520[/url]
[url]http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=7560966[/url]
[url]http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html[/url]
[url]http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/animal_environ/hurricanes[/url]
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=7573960
This place matches your donation with another 50%
http://www.mccormicktribune.org/mtf/hurricanerelief.htm
Donate stock!
http://www.redcross.org/donate/donatestock.html
Animal Rescue
[url]http://www.americanhumane.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pa_disaster_relief[/url]
[url]http://www.nsalamerica.org/feature/katrina[/url]
http://www.hsus.org
Charitable Organizations:
[*]Donate Blood
[*]Drinking Water Purification
[*]Washing Your Hands in a Emergency Situations
[*]Power Outage Safety
[*]Keeping Food & Water Safe
[*]Avoid Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
[*]Keeping Pets Safe
[*]Simple Safety Checklist
[*]Emergency Wound Care
Local Resources & Information:
[*]Shelter information: 1 (866)-GET-INFO (438-4636)
[*]Disaster Assistance: 1-800-621-FEMA (3362) | (TTY) 1-800-462-7585 (Hearing impaired)
[*]Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness
[*]Mississippi Emergency Management Agency (Site intermittently down)
[*]Louisiana Governor's Office
[*]City of New Orleans
[*]File an Insurance Claim
[*]Find a Missing Person
[*]Helpful Phone Numbers
Watch for the next storm
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov
true it was a BFS and de-wateringnew orleans is no small task.
here are a few more Hurricane Katrina links:
Local newspapers, good articles/photos:
New Orleans Times-Picayune: http://www.nola.com
Jackson Clarion-Ledger: http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage
Biloxi Sun Herald: http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald
How to help
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9115520[/url]
[url]http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=7560966[/url]
[url]http://www.redcross.org/donate/donate.html[/url]
[url]http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/animal_environ/hurricanes[/url]
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=7573960
This place matches your donation with another 50%
http://www.mccormicktribune.org/mtf/hurricanerelief.htm
Donate stock!
http://www.redcross.org/donate/donatestock.html
Animal Rescue
[url]http://www.americanhumane.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pa_disaster_relief[/url]
[url]http://www.nsalamerica.org/feature/katrina[/url]
http://www.hsus.org
Charitable Organizations:
- American Red Cross
- Salvation Army
- Charitable Resources from FEMA
- The Humane Society of the United States
- United Way
- See More Charities
[*]Donate Blood
[*]Drinking Water Purification
[*]Washing Your Hands in a Emergency Situations
[*]Power Outage Safety
[*]Keeping Food & Water Safe
[*]Avoid Carbon Monoxide Poisoning
[*]Keeping Pets Safe
[*]Simple Safety Checklist
[*]Emergency Wound Care
Local Resources & Information:
[*]Shelter information: 1 (866)-GET-INFO (438-4636)
[*]Disaster Assistance: 1-800-621-FEMA (3362) | (TTY) 1-800-462-7585 (Hearing impaired)
[*]Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness
[*]Mississippi Emergency Management Agency (Site intermittently down)
[*]Louisiana Governor's Office
[*]City of New Orleans
[*]File an Insurance Claim
[*]Find a Missing Person
[*]Helpful Phone Numbers
Watch for the next storm
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov
D
Dave M
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Yes, the new century has brought a new wave of misery to us all. I have played Koko Taylor's "(Don't Mess With) Mother Nature" quite a few times today. I think Chicago should accept refugees,itmight have aninteresting musical result.
But seriously the system is working,within its limitations. A day or two to become organizedand mobilized, a day or two in transit,help arrives on day five at the latest. We can'tknow where to send the crewsbefore the storm;we can't be be sending them inwhile the storm is raging; big things take time.
They tell us to be ready to lasta week without assistance. In practice I can go three days. After three days I will run out of fuel for the stand-by generator and it will be time for a barbeque at Dave's Diner. Every year I refresh our emergency supplies but I'll tell, you, I am getting sort of fed up. What I need is rest.
Dave
Yes, the new century has brought a new wave of misery to us all. I have played Koko Taylor's "(Don't Mess With) Mother Nature" quite a few times today. I think Chicago should accept refugees,itmight have aninteresting musical result.
But seriously the system is working,within its limitations. A day or two to become organizedand mobilized, a day or two in transit,help arrives on day five at the latest. We can'tknow where to send the crewsbefore the storm;we can't be be sending them inwhile the storm is raging; big things take time.
They tell us to be ready to lasta week without assistance. In practice I can go three days. After three days I will run out of fuel for the stand-by generator and it will be time for a barbeque at Dave's Diner. Every year I refresh our emergency supplies but I'll tell, you, I am getting sort of fed up. What I need is rest.
Dave
teknobucks
Active member
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OK....this whole thing shows how unprepared we really are.
1) we knew it was coming
2) we knew the town was below sea level
3) we told folks they should leave and put 15,000 street urchins with no meansina confined nightmare.
if we do not use tools and procedures that will function in some sort of orderlymanner then we become stuck in our own hell.
coping with "crisis" and shortages will define the winnersof this century.
OK....this whole thing shows how unprepared we really are.
1) we knew it was coming
2) we knew the town was below sea level
3) we told folks they should leave and put 15,000 street urchins with no meansina confined nightmare.
if we do not use tools and procedures that will function in some sort of orderlymanner then we become stuck in our own hell.
coping with "crisis" and shortages will define the winnersof this century.
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A different perspective.
Julian Borger of the Guardian reporting from the New Orleans Convention Center:
A man walked past the bodies dragging a pallet loaded with big bottles of ginger ale, some plates and a frying pan. To the rest of America watching the tragedy unfold on their televisions, he was one of the looters, denounced by President Bush.
But to the people inside the convention centre, he was one of a band of heroes keeping them alive. "The people who were going into the stores would give us water and food, said Edna Harris, Henry Carr's aunt. "There would be ladies with babies and they had no milk, and these guys would break in and bring them milk."
A different perspective.
Julian Borger of the Guardian reporting from the New Orleans Convention Center:
A man walked past the bodies dragging a pallet loaded with big bottles of ginger ale, some plates and a frying pan. To the rest of America watching the tragedy unfold on their televisions, he was one of the looters, denounced by President Bush.
But to the people inside the convention centre, he was one of a band of heroes keeping them alive. "The people who were going into the stores would give us water and food, said Edna Harris, Henry Carr's aunt. "There would be ladies with babies and they had no milk, and these guys would break in and bring them milk."
biggdog1
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Do you wonder about all those school buses setting in the water? Why wasn't Marshall Law declared 4-5 days before and all could have been evaculated not3 days after the storm and taken to Houston and other outlaying areas. The Fed really dropped the ball on this one. Looks like Galveston, Tx. only 100 years later.
Do you wonder about all those school buses setting in the water? Why wasn't Marshall Law declared 4-5 days before and all could have been evaculated not3 days after the storm and taken to Houston and other outlaying areas. The Fed really dropped the ball on this one. Looks like Galveston, Tx. only 100 years later.
