Gumby's Account Talk

Maybe this will shed some light on why AIG had a big loss.
I have personally seen many of these tactics used by Insurance companies.
This link is a long read, but will shed some light on this crooked business.

Worst Insurance Companies

Will these bad boys be in line for a FED bailout also? :mad:

There have been insurance companies in the past that were buy out targets by other companies so they could use their tax loss carry forwards. I will be buying more AIG today.

Um....and banks....need I name it...and nature didn't take its course...the fed came to the rescue first.
 
Allah Akbar - I cherish all this negativity - you are doing me a great service.
Birch, could you please apply the "Allah Akbar" cane to the financial wrongdoers and the commodity market players?The beatings will commence until morale improves. I like the negativity, cause that means things are coming to the light. I think that's what's fixing the market. Summer cleaning time!
 
Paulsen set to quit..
How much money is going to be given to Fannie and Freddie prior to his departure?


"Paulson repeated his view that the "biggest part" of the housing crisis has passed, but that "it's going to take us well beyond the end of the year to work through all the housing problems."

Sounds like talking out of both sides of the mouth to me.



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Fannie's a loser!!!!
 
Paulsen set to quit..
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Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Sunday he has ruled out serving in the next U.S. administration, regardless of who wins the election.

This reminds me of the most outstanding feature of the present Administration.

Look at the number of "Big Names" - "Key Positions" that have resigned under this President.

Luv2read - you have a knack for digging out the facts. I believe you would be amazed to find: not only the number of high names that resigned, but all the more what the records revealed about them.

Paulson knows that the overwhelming bulk of financial difficulties the present administration has mounted on this country will have to be addressed by future administrations. If I were Paulson I would get out before the S hit the Fan. (Smart move)
 
I will concede the point that a lot of key people resigned during the last 8 years. However, as for Paulsen, it's actually highly unusual for a Secretary of any Agency staying on under a new president. Usually the appointees start to disappear from July onward in an Election year as they find new jobs. The people appointed by the new President will be his choices.
 
ECONOMIC REPORT
Trend in jobless claims rises to six-year high

Initial claims drop to 450,000, down 10,000 in latest week


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"Initial claims have been boosted in recent weeks by publicity about a new federal program of extended benefits that has encouraged more unemployed workers to file for claims under regular state programs. A Labor Department spokesman could not quantify how many people have been encouraged to apply.
The new program has masked the number of new layoffs, a key gauge of labor market strength as the nation's economy continues to shed jobs.
The four-week average of new claims rose by 19,500. At 440,500, this gauge stands at the highest since April 2002."

And we still haven't hit the technical parameters that say our economy is in recession. At least the government knows how to massage numbers to make things appear more rosey.

I wonder how many unemployed people are buying $4.00 gas? :suspicious:
 
GSE shares drop after report says bailout likely:mad:

Image that...... How much is this going to cost us taxpayers?? Want to buy any of Fannie or Freedie?

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GSE shares drop after report says bailout likely:mad:

Image that...... How much is this going to cost us taxpayers?? Want to buy any of Fannie or Freedie?

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It's already cost us. Nothing but new taxes on middle class next 8 years and hikes in capital gains taxes to pay for it...just as boomers retire...oops...wish they could retire.:mad:
 
It's already cost us. Nothing but new taxes on middle class next 8 years and hikes in capital gains taxes to pay for it...just as boomers retire...oops...wish they could retire.:mad:

I think our childrens - children will be paying for this for years and years to come.:nuts:
 
I FUND PERFORMANCE

Share Price
Aug 19, 2008 $19.8863



Oct 31, 2007 $26.31

DOWN 24.415% since end of last October


I believe the I fund is due for a bounce before the end of next week.
I am going 50% I, 25% C, 25% S COB today
 
I FUND PERFORMANCE

Share Price
Aug 19, 2008 $19.8863



Oct 31, 2007 $26.31

DOWN 24.415% since end of last October


I believe the I fund is due for a bounce before the end of next week.
I am going 50% I, 25% C, 25% S COB today

Good luck!! I don't think I have the equipment to make that decision with the current conditions. :embarrest: I also don't have any IFTs remaining this month. Hope you make a killing.
 
I'll elaborate on some views I was hesitant to acknowledge.

1. Most importantly - I believe the FED is most responsible for the Financial/Housing Sector situation and to the largest degree the overwhelming bulk could have been avoided if they had intervened when the action was taking place.

2. I believe all of the actions were mainly to "save face" and avoid a huge embarassment - as THE WORST DEPRESSION in history would have undoubted exposed the parties most at fault.

At this point I'd rather deal with a little more suffering and pain compared to what I believe would have happened otherwise.

3. Fannie and Freddie - will undoubtedly be broken up into smaller pieces "fully under the government's control". You can be certain the ones that have been in control of Fannie/Freddie are the ones most disappointed with their loss of control.

As the various strokes (Bail Outs, Rate Cuts...) were placed on the canvas it was hard to see the "Big Picture". But now standing back and looking at the finished product, the "Big Picture" is a lot clearer.

When (3) largely came to light with Barron's Report - at 90% shareholder's loss - government control was seen as "doom and gloom". But now -as the pieces are falling into place "government control" brings the appearance of strength and stability.

(1) did not result from "a lack of intervention" - but was well planned - purposeful - and calculated with amazing precision. Our view was largely distorted with the media's projection along the course. Now it appears (2) was wrong - and that the "Real Players" knew all along exactly what was happening and saw the victory at hand.

Many see the "Real Players" as anxiously holding their breath, wondering what's going to happen next. I see it totally the opposite. The "Real Players" are toasting in celebration of their incredible victory (3) - and of the underpinnings of the "projected victory" to come. Now, more than ever, I see the whole picture bringing Markets that will have everyone celebrating and with perfect timing.

Will get back rarely - ( things are getting better ) - but sensed this needed a follow up. It may appear these are "uncertain times" but that's not what the "big picture" is conveying.

Take care ya'll - my love to all.
 
Here you go Steady, vindication.
Former FDIC chief urges breakup of Fannie, Freddie
Government should bail out GSEs, then sell them to private investors: Seidman
By John Spence, MarketWatch
Last update: 1:51 p.m. EDT Aug. 21, 2008
BOSTON (MarketWatch) -- The former chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. who played a key role in healing the U.S. banking system after the savings and loan crisis said Thursday he advocates a breakup of struggling mortgage buyers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
"We need a plan for breaking up Fannie and Freddie and selling them to private investors, so that the government isn't the biggest backer of the housing market," said Bill Seidman in an interview with MarketWatch in Boston's financial district on Thursday.
The former FDIC head who helped revive banking confidence after the S&L debacle in the late 1980s said "the only real productive alternative" is to nationalize Fannie and Freddy as a first step.
Shares of the government-sponsored mortgage entities have been in a death spiral this week on mounting fears they will require a bailout that could essentially wipe out shareholders. However, Fannie shares bounced back somewhat Thursday, gaining nearly 9% at last check.
Seidman said a government bailout of Fannie and Freddie would dwarf the tab from the S&L crisis, estimating it would involve assets between $5 trillion and $6 trillion.
The government should put in new management and run the companies for the sole benefit of borrowers, while balancing obligations to the housing market with financial costs, he said.
"The government better get a heck of a good guy to run Fannie and Freddie," Seidman said. "That's the biggest financial challenge of the century."
One name he floated was Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, saying it would be an even bigger job than running the Treasury.
Paulson earlier this summer promoted a plan signed into law that extended a temporary and unlimited line of credit for the two mortgage-finance giants.
Yet Seidman said part of the problem is that the government is "half in, half out" of Fannie and Freddie, which is contributing to market uncertainty.
"For all practical purposes, Fannie and Freddie are nationalized, but the government doesn't have enough control given its interest in the housing market," he said.
The plan
The banking expert said the government should buy 95% of the GSEs, leaving shareholders with "a token amount," a move he acknowledged would lead to "huge losses" for investors. After the companies and the housing market get back on their feet, Fannie and Freddie should be broken up and sold to private investors.
"This process needs to be done in an overt, rather than covert, fashion so that market participants know what the rules are," Seidman said.
Meanwhile, he said any plan would require making Fannie and Freddie creditors whole. Because the debt is held in such large amounts by governments and banks around the world, "it would endanger the global financial system."
With the relatively recent advent of securitization markets in which mortgage loans are packaged up and sold to large investors, the private sector is more equipped to deal with a market without the GSEs, Seidman argued.
The costs of borrowing to purchase a home would likely rise, but the current system is broken, he said.
"If the government wants to provide a subsidy, why not just give it directly to borrowers and get dollar-for-dollar on its money?" Seidman said. "Of course, the problem is that this would be a government program, but it's more efficient than the system we have now."
Privatizing the GSEs "can't be done overnight" and could take years due to the problems already shaking the mortgage and housing markets, and there would be losses borne by the government.
'Catastrophic losses'
Conversely, there is a real danger that Fannie and Freddie could go under if they are unable to refinance their debt. As reported by The Wall Street Journal earlier this week, Fannie and Freddie have $225 billion of debt they need to roll over by the end of September. "This is when the market could effectively shut them down," Seidman warned.
Yet if the GSEs go down, it would be "catastrophic" because the mortgage securities are in most banking systems around the world.
"It could cause total panic in the global financial system, which is based on credit," he said.
"Some people say let them fail and let the market sort it out, and the market will sort it out," Seidman added. "But in the meantime that could mean the end of the market and the financial institutions and banks. They tried that during the Great Depression. The market will work, but it's a question of cost, and the cost would be the collapse of the banking system."
Since the U.S. financial system is based on credit, the government almost has no choice but to help any big financial institution in danger of failing, he said.
He predicted the private sector could eventually take the place of the GSEs and help provide liquidity to the mortgage market. "Fannie and Freddie are private institutions that had special privileges in the marketplace, which forced competitors out of business."
However, until the privatization shift is able to happen, the respected market observer said the government has to step in to prop up Fannie and Freddie.
"My experience in government says whenever possible, the government shouldn't run it," Seidman said. "But this is one of those times when the government has to run it."
 
BUSH SIGNS BAILOUT

See post 84


The Congressional Budget Office last week estimated the potential cost of a rescue could be $25 billion. CBO said there is probably a better than 50% chance that Treasury would not need to step in. It also said there is a 5% chance that Freddie's and Fannie's losses could cost the government $100 billion.

Full story on CNN
http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/30/news/economy/housing_bill_Bush/index.htm?postversion=2008073007




Any bets on the amount this bailout is going to cost us taxpayers?
I am thinking of a figure with close to 12 digits behind it.:mad:
 
It is time for a reminder.

On, March 12, 2008, David M. Walker, resigned as Comptroller General of the United States and head of the GAO and accepted position of President and Chief Executive Officer of the newly established Peter G. Peterson Foundation.
Go to the Peter Peterson Foundation site.

He was a partner and global managing director of the Arthur Anderson LLP firm.....Wasn't that the cooked book firm that had ties to Enron?:mad:

Lets see....March 12, 2008 was the week before the Bear Sterns collapse.....coincidence????
 
He was with the firm and on the board, but all the articles I found were speculation and no evidence. He denies knowledge or participation in Enron's bookkeeping and left before the implosion.
 
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