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Here's another interesting read from the past. This was back in 1997, when there was panic about the Dow going down 554 points.

The Plunging Dow
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E1D91431F93BA15753C1A961958260

The economy can absorb shocks better today than 10 years ago, because inflation is lower, employment is higher and, most important, banks are financially sturdier.

If that was all we had to reassure us back then, it looks like we have nothing reassuring us today.
 
Here's a quick news clip of near rioting in Iceland following the financial mess. I wonder what will happen when assets need to be frozen to protect the banks from people rushing to withdraw their money. If this financial mess keeps hitting Americans, we'll be the ones trying to get our money only to have our assets frozen.

 
Here's a quick news clip of near rioting in Iceland following the financial mess. I wonder what will happen when assets need to be frozen to protect the banks from people rushing to withdraw their money. If this financial mess keeps hitting Americans, we'll be the ones trying to get our money only to have our assets frozen.

We need to that here at the Federal Reserve and demand the prosecution of Ben Bernanke and the rest of his gang.
 
If you've been keeping up on Zimbabwe, you must have heard that the death toll from cholera reached about 575 out of 12,000 or so infected. The disease has spread into neighboring countries as people flee Zimbabwe. The health crisis is partially due to the country basically falling apart. One area the country has suffered greatly in is inflation.

The inflation rate in July was officially 231 MILLION percent!!! :eek: What the heck? How is that even possible? If economic collapse spreads, I wonder if health problems may also spread. Here's an article on the crazy situation in Zimbabwe (from two days ago):

Riot police break up Zimbabwe protests as cholera deaths mount
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jFfsGFR-ZMvrT1O9R_SXJ307hubA

Baton-wielding riot police broke up protests in Harare and detained dozens Wednesday, as the death toll of a cholera epidemic neared 600 in Zimbabwe's worsening health and economic crises.

Trade unionists protesting against limits on cash withdrawals were beaten by security forces in Harare, while police also dispersed doctors and nurses who tried to hand in a petition against the collapse of the health system.

Taps in Harare ran dry on Saturday after the state-run water company ran short of aluminium sulphate, a chemical used to purify water, forcing people to dig shallow wells and sparking trade in water selling.
 
Pundits laughing at a guy who suggest the Plunge Protection Team made the markets go up:



Whenever they laugh, it's time to pay attention to whom they're laughing at.
 
On the same subject, an article from 2003 from a more realiable sourse:
[FONT=times new roman, times]CORNERED RATS AND THE PPT
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[FONT=times new roman, times]by Nelson Hultberg
April 30, 2003
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Verdana]There is a new wrinkle to consider regarding the government's Plunge Protection Team (PPT), which the investing public needs to be made aware of. First, however, some groundwork on the PPT, its origins, and its assumed purposes. Then I will present a theory about the PPT that should further validate its existence and clue us in to what it has planned for the future.[much more][/FONT]

http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/hultberg/2003/0430.html
 
It's Everywhere, It's everywhere!!:eek:

Juicing the Stock Market: The secret maneuverings of the Plunge Protection Team

The Working Group on Financial Markets, also know as the Plunge Protection Team, was created by Ronald Reagan to prevent a repeat of the Wall Street meltdown of October 1987. Its members include the Secretary of the Treasury, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, the Chairman of the SEC and the Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Recently, the team has been on high-alert given the increased volatility of the markets and, what Hank Paulson calls, "the systemic risk posed by hedge funds and derivatives.” --Mike Whitney
By Mike Whitney
03/07/07 "ICH " -- -- Last Tuesday’s 416 point drop in the stock market has sent tremors through global system. An 8% freefall on the Chinese stock exchange triggered a massive equities sell-off which continued sporadically throughout the week. The sudden shift in sentiment, from Bull to Bear, has drawn more attention to deeply rooted “systemic” problems in the US economy. US manufacturing is already in recession, the dollar continues to weaken, consumer spending is flat, and the sub-prime market in real estate has begun to nosedive. These have all contributed to the markets’ erratic behavior and created the likelihood that the Plunge Protection Team may be stealthily intervening behind the scenes.
According to John Crudele of the New York Post, the Plunge Protection Team’s (PPT) modus operandi was revealed by a former member of the Federal Reserve Board, Robert Heller. Heller said that disasters could be mitigated by “buying market averages in the futures market, thus stabilizing the market as a whole.” This appears to be the strategy that has been used.
Former-Clinton advisor, George Stephanopoulos, verified the existence of The Plunge Protection Team (as well as its methods) in an appearance on Good Morning America on Sept 17, 2000. Stephanopoulos said:
“Well, what I wanted to talk about for a few minutes is the various efforts that are going on in public and behind the scenes by the Fed and other government officials to guard against a free-fall in the markets….perhaps the most important the Fed in 1989 created what is called the Plunge Protection Team, which is the Federal Reserve, big major banks, representatives of the New York Stock Exchange and the other exchanges and they have been meeting informally so far, and they have a kind of an informal agreement among major banks to come in and start to buy stock if there appears to be a problem. They have in the past acted more formally… I don’t know if you remember but in 1998, there was a crisis called the Long term Capital Crisis. It was a major currency trader and there was a global currency crisis. And they, with the guidance of the Fed, all of the banks got together when it started to collapse and propped up the currency markets. And, they have plans in place to consider that if the markets start to fall.”
Stephanopoulos’ comments have never been officially denied. In fact, as Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of the U.K. Telegraph notes, Secretary of the Treasury, Hank Paulson has called for the PPT to meet with greater frequency and set up “a command centre at the US Treasury that will track global markets and serve as an operations base in the next crisis. The top brass will meet every six weeks, combining the heads of Treasury, Federal Reserve, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), and key exchanges”.
This suggests that the PPT may have been deeply involved in last Wednesday’s “miraculous” stock market rebound from Tuesday’s losses. There was no apparent reason for the market to suddenly “go positive” following a ruinous day that shook investor confidence around the world. The editors of the New York Times summarized the feelings of many market-watchers who were baffled by this odd recovery:
“The torrent of bad news on housing is only worsening, with a report yesterday that new home sales for January had their steepest slide in 13 years...Manufacturing has already slipped into a recession, with activity contracting in two of the last three months. How is it then that investors took Mr. Bernanke’s words as a “buy” signal?”
How indeed; unless other forces were operating secretly behind the scenes?
Market Rigging [more]
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2007/03/juicing_the_sto.html
 
Thanks for the links, nnut. Now I realize why we've got the huge bailouts for the banks and the other companies. If the agreement between the government and the banks is that the banks will buy large amounts of stocks when the market is tumbling, then the government needs to reimburse the banks for their "service to the country."

Then, if the banks are losing more money when those stocks start to go down, the government needs to bail out the companies whose shares are owned by those banks.

This also helps explain why the Federal Reserve no longer publishes how much currency is out there. If there was a clear number that showed how inflated we really are, those stock price increases would pale in comparison to how many more dollars are "printed."
 
Thanks for the links, nnut. Now I realize why we've got the huge bailouts for the banks and the other companies. If the agreement between the government and the banks is that the banks will buy large amounts of stocks when the market is tumbling, then the government needs to reimburse the banks for their "service to the country."

Then, if the banks are losing more money when those stocks start to go down, the government needs to bail out the companies whose shares are owned by those banks.

This also helps explain why the Federal Reserve no longer publishes how much currency is out there. If there was a clear number that showed how inflated we really are, those stock price increases would pale in comparison to how many more dollars are "printed."
The SLOSH REPORT might reflect some of it?
http://www.gmtfo.com/reporeader/OMOps.aspx
 
Let's see how well government assistance does with helping stop foreclosures:

Homeowners redefaulting after getting aid
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0847256620081208

More than half of mortgages modified in a bid to avoid foreclosure fell delinquent within six months, a top U.S. banking regulator said on Monday, casting doubt on a proposal to rewrite home loans en masse.

However, Dugan's figures suggested that the cost to taxpayers may be high. He said his data showed that of mortgages that were modified in the first three months of 2008, nearly 36 percent had re-defaulted after three months, and almost 53 percent were behind on payments by six months.
 
Here's a link to a blog post from the Realtor I had when purchasing a house this past summer. She's been playing around with some software her office has and found some "grim news" on the homes inventory for Bucks County, PA. And this county is supposedly not hit that hard.

http://soldbyheather.blogspot.com/2008/11/bucks-county-real-estate-inventory.html

Below is the "Months Supply of Inventory" of single family residential homes currently on the market, as of the last day of October 2008. I warn you, it's grim news. We currently have 15.7 months of inventory on the market, up from 11.6 months in September. Over a two year period, the "Month Supply of Inventory" has increased 108%.
 
Thanks to James for posting an article that led me to this one:

CDS Market: Don't Believe What You See
http://seekingalpha.com/article/107427-cds-market-don-t-believe-what-you-see

If you believed that the CDS market was correctly pricing the risk of the United States government’s creditworthiness, you would conclude that the United States government is now 27 times likelier to default on its loans than it was a year ago.

Listen, the creditworthiness of nearly all debtors on the planet isn’t dropping 270% a year, the price of bearish trades (including credit default swaps) is spiraling up. In a sense, the explosion in the price of CDS (and VIX options, puts, borrowing equities short) is getting to a point where you could call it a “bubble” in bearish trades. As with any bubble, there is rampant speculation that “its different this time”, “we are in a new era of wealth destruction that will not end” and “value does not matter”. And bears are trading with such conviction, they’ll pay whatever it takes to go short on anything. My neighbor, a dentist, recently bought a bunch of short ETFs – and was telling me with ebullient satisfaction about how much he’s made off them already. Well, eventually, capital markets sniff out all bubbles, once people figure out what trading mechanics are driving it. Like all others before it, this “bearish trading” bubble will pop violently. And when it does, the ensuing bull market will be stunning.
sounds like Birchtree talking right there!
 
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