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We really need a market rally.
Beware the 'Ides of F'.
Bonds are priced mostly by math. When the FED jacks the FED Rate by a point the price of the existing bonds in the F-Fund will dump. If that happens (pure math) then there will be some panic selling. However, in bonds, that panic doesn't last.
Like you say, there is nothing out there to revive stock prices. What business is going to risk major investment in this environment. Unlike your belief, I don't know if things will 'immediately' recover because of a political turnover. There may have to be a long period of business friendly policies before capital investment revives. I think we will actually see capital investment pullback in a major way soon.
Keep your powder dry. The 'F' gets an 'F' in periods of inflation. Our problem is the equities (C/S/I) get an 'F' in periods of recession - and I think we have both!!!
DB here is the link to Tom's post for those MF's: https://www.tsptalk.com/mb/tsp-talk...-tsp-mutual-funds-autotracker.html#post673251
I think someone was talking about getting into an energy MF back when TSP opened back up. I'd be curious if they made a little money since energy seemed to be doing pretty well through June. I'm not dabbling yet. I'm not educated enough to start so until then it's the basic funds for me.
Good discussion in the thread by the way. I think the markets yesterday sold off with that initial data from CPI but sellers got exhausted but then again after getting some buyers stepping in they faded as well. Maybe it was more of a digestion day, plus toss in PPI today I believe, more earning reports, and still markets on edge with what FOMC decision will be later this month. Maybe the markets were saying let's hold our horses and wait for more data before breaking one way or another.
Today looks to be different. Follow through to the downside this morning so far, markets haven't even opened. So who knows where we may end up by COB. I'm getting the itch to dip my toes but the markets could be moving pretty violently the rest of this month. Don't want to be on the wrong side. I've got my popcorn ready and looking for the opportunities. G for now as well for me, unless of course we get some crazy selloffs that would make me raise my eyebrows.
DB has it right in my opinion. While the bear rally’s will come and go…the downtrend will likely continue into 2023 as recession, inflation, and even slowing and then negative job growth begins to enter the picture.
If we pattern the similarities between 1972-1975 where rising inflation and FED intervention began to put a brake on the economy…well…that really made a mess of things even after the first year of big losses. Russia/pandemic influences brings us to even closer parity to the 1972-1974 beating or the 2007-2008 severe beating. I believe it is safe to assume that the damage to the stock market is far from over and the economy is going to be slowing in the first half of 2023. I’m going to factor in the baby boomer pulling out of the stock market because they are retiring in bigger numbers. I’m also going to factor in Gen X which are more likely to stay into the market no matter what since they have lived by the mentality that time is on their side. Therefore…a slow stepdown for the year will become more erratic into 2023 as the recession worsens. So that shoe to drop is coming but the grind down we are seeing will painfully continue until the whammo late this year or in first half of 2023. If an exterior event occurs like Russia backs off Eukraine …that couId change the timeline. I estimate the markets will begin rebounding in earnest before June of next year. Maybe May at the earliest. It is also possible that 2023 continues to be ugly all year if the Russia/covid situation does not back off. We are certainly in a bad pickle right now and the FED will have a very hard time saving the stock market from more pain to come. This is going to be a long road to recovery. Perhaps recovering recent highs by 2025 at the earliest. There is evidence right now we are in a recession (We officially will verify this by the end of July). Retail stores are already in recession mode to increase sales to bring down increasing inventories. I don’t see us escaping this time so easy.
Charts. Indicators getting close to full exit for S and C funds, if still in. Will see if Slow Sto crosses below its signal line by COB or on Monday. RSI already crossing down below 70, which is a sign to exit per my criteria. I probably should have marked charts with 2nd vertical red line to indicate this but must admit I would like to see Slow Sto cross below its own signal before a full exit.
Revised. I am putting in 2nd red line or full exit. Drop below RSI 70 is too pronounced to ignore on S and C fund charts.
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