Direction of F Fund ?

[Pilgrim]

From Marketwatch.com today:

Earlier the Treasury Department said it plans to offer $34 billion in securities next week to refund federal debt and pay down about $25.9 billion... Recent Treasury auctions have met with a lackluster response, and there are concerns about excess supply.
New data this week from J.P. Morgan showed that rising numbers of U.S. investors are shorting Treasurys, betting that their prices will fall.
In addition, last week's Treasury auctions attracted weak levels of indirect bids, the carefully watched category that includes foreign central banks.

How low can it go??

 

[Brett]

Some of you guys are sold on the F fund rising up from the dead. I can't help but be curious and give it a look, but come to the conclusion with its continued decline, to wait until it starts on an upturn. With the summer doldrums ahead, it may be the fund to be in, but until it proves itself, I'm going to just watch instead.

 

[ayla]

I agree with you Brett, F fund doesn't look that great. Everytime I try the F fund, I lose. Don't understand the interest others have in this fund. I'm new and don't have any knowledge about the history of the F fund. Plan to wait until it has some better positive indications that it is likely to give some decent returns though that will probably be when it is too late.

 

[Timmie-O]

"I agree with you Brett, F fund doesn't look that great. Everytime I try the F fund, I lose. Don't understand the interest others have in this fund. I'm new and don't have any knowledge about the history of the F fund. Plan to wait until it has some better positive indications that it is likely to give some decent returns though that will probably be when it is too late.

The last three years the G fund has beat the F fund. Before then, the F fund had some good years. I lowered my F fund account from 5% to 2% effective Friday, tomorrow. Judging when to increase holdings in this fund will be hard. If anyone has clues, please post them here.

 

[Spaf]

Bonds vs Interest Rates​

http://stocks.about.com/od/understandingstocks/a/Bondint111004.htm

 

[nnuut]

How about that "F" fund! Up .38% so far this morning.:nuts:

 

[Spartan]

Posted an article in "Playing the I fund" about rate hikes.

The F fund looks to be turning around as of today. There is rising inflation pressures coupled with a slowing economy. The F fund will thrive, most likely outperform the S fund due to a "stagflation" setting in.

 

[jwlane]

I'm new and don't have any knowledge about the history of the F fund.

One only needs to understand the differences between the bond market vs. the stock market to know the history of the F fund. As long as interest rates remain low, the F fund will suck.

The F fund will thrive, most likely outperform the S fund due to a "stagflation" setting in.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[FUTURESTRADER]

"I agree with you Brett, F fund doesn't look that great. Everytime I try the F fund, I lose. Don't understand the interest others have in this fund. I'm new and don't have any knowledge about the history of the F fund. Plan to wait until it has some better positive indications that it is likely to give some decent returns though that will probably be when it is too late.

The last three years the G fund has beat the F fund. Before then, the F fund had some good years. I lowered my F fund account from 5% to 2% effective Friday, tomorrow. Judging when to increase holdings in this fund will be hard. If anyone has clues, please post them here.

Timmie,

I said before, the F fund, based on (AGG) must show 2 higher/lower closes above/below the 20 day ema (exponential moving average) before I get interested. Short F fund since 1/26/06. Even when it trends up above 20 ema, the C, S and the I have to be trending down. I like 2 closes above/below 50 ema for the equities. Backtest ema's for your own risk tolerance, and throw in some consideration of fundamentals, sentiment, geopolitical, news, and other 'noise' if u like, or have the time.

 

[SkyPilot]

Unless we go into another recession, the F fund holds little promise. And even then, is it worth the risk over the safe harbor of the G in those circumstances? Maybe... :blink:

 

[FUTURESTRADER]

Unless we go into another recession, the F fund holds little promise. And even then, is it worth the risk over the safe harbor of the G in those circumstances? Maybe... :blink:

20 day ema on agg vs. 4-5 day guarantee of the G fund?

 

[Brett]

I jumped into the 50% position of the F-fund effective today, but made on Tuesday afternoon. I would have thought that with the I/C/S funds sinking, F would have shown a rally--but it hasn't, but for the G-fund, all funds have gone down. I may decide this morning to put F-funds with my G for 100% to see what the markets decide to do. I think the coming weeks may be VERY volatile, too volatile for us to quickly respond with trading.

 

[davtrader]

Just my take..Completed 5 waves down
with extended 5th(wave 1+wave 3=wave 5),
I will watch the form of waves as I think they will travel towards AGG 99.60.

 

[The_Technician]

The F fund looks to have taken that drop I mentioned last month.....looking for it to correct a little over the next several days and then take it up from there.....

 

[sugarandspice]

The F fund looks to have taken that drop I mentioned last month.....looking for it to correct a little over the next several days and then take it up from there.....

It's at its highest point since April 6th! You mentioned both ways last month for the F fund. So what do you mean by the above?

 

[The_Technician]

It's at its highest point since April 6th! You mentioned both ways last month for the F fund. So what do you mean by the above?

Well I mentioned it would drop somemore on the 26th of April....we went through that and now we should be on the road up to better returns....

Who am I talking with this morning by the way.....Sugar or Spice.....???

 

[Pilgrim]

Bond prices rallied in the last half hour yesterday but AGG dropped sharply at the end, F-fund ending up negative. Anyone know why they moved in opposite directions??

Does F "owe" us today?

 

[mlk_man]

Bond prices rallied in the last half hour yesterday but AGG dropped sharply at the end, F-fund ending up negative. Anyone know why they moved in opposite directions??

Does F "owe" us today?

Pilgrim, I don't see a rally late yesterday?

http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/w?s=AGG

 

[Pilgrim]

Pilgrim, I don't see a rally late yesterday?

http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/w?s=AGG

Bond prices rallied, AGG dropped. Ten year bond just opened up another 6/32.

 

[mlk_man]

Ahh, sorry, misread your post. Let's hope they do "owe" us then.