Corn and Ethanol.

Subsidized since 1979 as a homegrown fuel cleaner than gasoline, corn ethanol had plenty of opponents, environmentalists among them.

Environmentalists question the cleaner energy premise -- adding factors like tractor diesel emissions and fertilizer runoff make it dirtier, they say.

"Corn ethanol is extremely dirty," Michal Rosenoer, biofuels manager for Friends of the Earth, said in heralding the tax credit's demise. "It leads to more climate pollution than conventional gasoline, and it causes deforestation as well as agricultural runoff that pollutes our water."

Opponents also see corn ethanol, which now takes a larger share of the U.S. corn crop than cattle, hogs and poultry, as a factor in driving food prices higher.

"The end of this giant subsidy for dirty corn ethanol is a win for taxpayers, the environment and people struggling to put food on their tables," Rosenoer added.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ear-ethanol-subsidy-dies-but-wait-theres-more

ROFLMAO......................:laugh:
 
The flip side of that is that we are no longer paying corn farmers subsidies to keep prices propped up. The market is doing just fine, thank you. Of course, the huge poultry corporations aren't happy that there isn't a glut of cheap corn, but hey, that's the market in action.

No longer paying corn farmers subsidies? Hmmm... go check the USDA site.. better yet, let me quote the 2010 figures since 2011 isn't finished.

$3,519,507,154

yep that's over 3 and a half Billion dollars in corn subsidies in 2010.

Care to retract that statement?
 
Corn prices have ranged from low $6's to around $7.75 this year-

corn-11-11-2011.JPG

Yes, that's significantly higher than the $2.50- $3.00 a bushel range of the year 2005 and 2006.

The flip side of that is that we are no longer paying corn farmers subsidies to keep prices propped up. The market is doing just fine, thank you. Of course, the huge poultry corporations aren't happy that there isn't a glut of cheap corn, but hey, that's the market in action.
 
U.S. Corn Crop Pressuring Global Food Supply: Commodities

So I'm a little cornfused, why would they publish this in their energy section?

Corn prices up is good, if you're selling corn. If you're a buyer for food, not so good.

Thankfully market forces will look to wheat to pick up the demand. Again, seller good - buyer bad.

Anybody hungry, want to go get a sandwich? You buy.
 
No Fossels that deep!:)
A Misleading Zionist Scam
[SIZE=+2]While Moscow invests heavily in unlimited oil production for the
future, New York squanders America's dwindling oil
profits on fast cars and fast women
[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]
Copyright Joe Vialls, 25 August 2004
2-16-7[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]
In 1970, the Russians started drilling Kola SG-3, an exploration well which finally reached a staggering world record depth of 40,230 feet. Since then, Russian oil majors including Yukos have quietly drilled more than 310 successful super-deep oil wells, and put them into production. Last Year Russia overtook Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest single oil producer, and is now set to completely dominate global oil production and sales for the next century.[/SIZE] I[SIZE=+1]f the opening paragraph of this report started by claiming that completely unlimited crude oil reserves exist inside planet earth, readers might be tempted to regard the entire text as preposterous ghostwriting for a novelist like Frederick Forsyth. If the report then went on to claim that the Russians have exploited this stunning reality for nearly thirty years, right under the largely unwitting noses of western intelligence, readers could be excused for mistaking the author for a lunatic, or perhaps as a front for spy novelist John le Carré. The problem here is that unlimited oil reserves do exist inside planet earth, and the Russians long ago developed the advanced technology necessary to recover these unlimited oil reserves in an efficient and timely manner.[/SIZE]
http://www.rense.com/general75/zoil.htm
 
You people are all WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

The "oil" as we call it is residue from long ago alien craft maintenance. They put most of it real deep in to the disposal planet (we call it "earth") but corrupt contractors started dumping it in more shallow areas later. It was discovered by earthlings when they evolved and named petroleum by said indigenous species. As the more shallow dumps were depleted the waste began to migrate through cracks in the defective planet. So there is a lot more. Be patient.

You also never responded to the Pessoptimist's Carbon Credit Company plea for cash to save the planet and clear your conscience. I had to let the PO box go because of lack of funds. I will get another one if you will only pledge. Maybe no PO box, only secret drop locations TBD. Keep the post office out if it that way. Cash only accepted. Denomination not important, just no sequential serial numbers on the bills. Any country's CURRENT currency is OK. No more of those old Francs and please, no Drachmas.

Another place you have let me down is Pessoptimist's Thinking About Solar Panel Technology Company. Same deal applies to buying in. Cash only.

I wish I could get a government grant like other companies. Solyndra for example. I need the startup cash to get the grant. Gotta pay to get paid.

I promise I will use the money to trade in the gas guzzler for a hybrid. Why not an all electric? Reduce my carbon footprint to zero that way since alll the electricity comes from magic Unicorns? Because I hear daily that the national electric grid comes close to being at 100+% capacity. My employers would not be happy if I could not get to work to support the national grid because the national grid was not supplying fuel for my transportation. Such a dilemma. Rumor is the unicorns are exhausted. I promise said hybrid will only use zero emission fuel.

We must all work together to support such zero emission pogroms as ethanol fuel and electric cars.

I beg of you, for the children, send money.

Hope I didn't forget to push any of the guilt buttons!

PO

I'm ok with the secret drop location thing, but I can't send any money, because of the children, dam things are expensive.

I'll trade you some moon rocks for unmetered access to the grid though, or at least unmetered access to the unicorns, I know this great genetic scientist.

If you think they're exhausted now, you got another think coming.
 
You people are all WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

The "oil" as we call it is residue from long ago alien craft maintenance. They put most of it real deep in to the disposal planet (we call it "earth") but corrupt contractors started dumping it in more shallow areas later. It was discovered by earthlings when they evolved and named petroleum by said indigenous species. As the more shallow dumps were depleted the waste began to migrate through cracks in the defective planet. So there is a lot more. Be patient.

You also never responded to the Pessoptimist's Carbon Credit Company plea for cash to save the planet and clear your conscience. I had to let the PO box go because of lack of funds. I will get another one if you will only pledge. Maybe no PO box, only secret drop locations TBD. Keep the post office out if it that way. Cash only accepted. Denomination not important, just no sequential serial numbers on the bills. Any country's CURRENT currency is OK. No more of those old Francs and please, no Drachmas.

Another place you have let me down is Pessoptimist's Thinking About Solar Panel Technology Company. Same deal applies to buying in. Cash only.

I wish I could get a government grant like other companies. Solyndra for example. I need the startup cash to get the grant. Gotta pay to get paid.

I promise I will use the money to trade in the gas guzzler for a hybrid. Why not an all electric? Reduce my carbon footprint to zero that way since alll the electricity comes from magic Unicorns? Because I hear daily that the national electric grid comes close to being at 100+% capacity. My employers would not be happy if I could not get to work to support the national grid because the national grid was not supplying fuel for my transportation. Such a dilemma. Rumor is the unicorns are exhausted. I promise said hybrid will only use zero emission fuel.

We must all work together to support such zero emission pogroms as ethanol fuel and electric cars.

I beg of you, for the children, send money.

Hope I didn't forget to push any of the guilt buttons!

PO
 
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I believe it happens both ways but the majority is NOT 'fossil fuel' and it is a continuing process!
Drill Drill Drill!:D
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091214101408.htm

[h=1]Ethanol-Powered Vehicles Generate More Ozone Than Gas-Powered Ones[/h]
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070418072616.htm

[h=1]Ethanol Vehicles Pose Significant Risk To Health, New Study Finds[/h]

http://www.tccsa.tc/adventure/renewable_oil.pdf

http://www.321energy.com/editorials/bainerman/bainerman083105.html

Unbeknownst to Westerners, there have actually been for quite some time now two competing theories concerning the origins of petroleum. One theory claims that oil is an organic 'fossil fuel' deposited in finite quantities near the planet's surface. The other theory claims that oil is continuously generated by natural processes in the Earth's magma.
One of the world's leading advocates for the theory that hydrocarbons are renewable is Dr. Thomas Gold who contends that oil is not a limited resource, and that oil, natural gas and coal, are not so-called “fossil fuels.”

and I have posted many other sites on other threads of this forum maybe even this one about renewable oil.
one should really read this book
http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/greening.shtml
Please read this incredible revelation a second, and maybe even a third, time. For this admission will help you understand Lewin's following comment and 40-plus years of history." ...[It explains, or certainly appears to explain, aspects of American policy otherwise incomprehensible by the ordinary standards of common sense."]
After exploring a whole range of "substitute" possibilities, such as a war on poverty, space research, even "the credibility of an out-of- our-world invasion threat," the Special Study Group reports and Doe recites." It may be, for instance, that gross pollution of the environment can eventually replace the possibility of mass destruction by nuclear weapons as the principal apparent threat to the survival of the species. Poisoning of the air, and of the principal sources of food and water supply, is already well advanced, and at first glance would seem promising in this respect; it constitutes a threat that can be dealt with only through social organization and political power. But from present indications it will be a generation to a generation- and-a-half before environmental pollution, however severe, will be sufficiently menacing, on a global scale, to offer a possible basis for a solution."
I hope you didn't skim over the preceding paragraph. It explains, with almost unbelievable boldness, that environmental concerns were an almost perfect replacement for war, but it would take a generation or a generation-and-a-half (that is, 20 to 30 years) to bring this about. Remember, we are talking about a report circa 1967. The time frame is now complete, as evidenced by an article in the March 20, 1990, Seattle Post-Intelligencer. The front-page headline says, "Pollution a 'ticking time bomb,' conference warned." Datelined Vancouver, B.C., the lead paragraph read, "Environmental destruction is a 'ticking time bomb' that poses a 'more absolute' threat to human survival than nuclear annihilation during the Cold War, former Norwegian Prime Minister Gro Harlem Brundtland told an international environment conference here."
 
Evidence That Oil Fields Renew Themselves

by Barney Murray on Nov. 04, 2010,
http://tucsoncitizen.com/christianarts/2010/11/04/evidence-that-oil-fields-renew-themselves/

[h=3]Evidence That Oil Fields Renew Themselves[/h][h=6]by Mark Harris | November 4, 2010
http://www.goodnewstucson.com/articles/articles/evidence that oil fields renew themselves.html
[/h][h=1]Geochemist Says Oil FieldsMay Be Refilled Naturally[/h]By MALCOLM W. BROWNE
Published: September 26, 1995
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/26/s...refilled-naturally.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Peak oil bullshit - its worth reading

How the oil fields refill themselves.. and how we're being held hostage as a planet.
About 80 miles off of the coast of Louisiana lies a mostly submerged mountain, the top of which is known as Eugene Island. The portion underwater is an eerie-looking, sloping tower jutting up from the depths of the Gulf of Mexico, with deep fissures and perpendicular faults which spontaneously spew natural gas.

A significant reservoir of crude oil was discovered nearby in the late '60s, and by 1970, a platform named Eugene 330 was busily producing about 15,000 barrels a day of high-quality crude oil.
By the late '80s, the platform's production had slipped to less than 4,000 barrels per day, and was considered pumped out. Done. Suddenly, in 1990, production soared back to 15,000 barrels a day, and the reserves which had been estimated at 60 million barrels in the '70s, were recalculated at 400 million barrels. Interestingly, the measured geological age of the new oil was quantifiably different than the oil pumped in the '70s.

Analysis of seismic recordings revealed the presence of a "deep fault" at the base of the Eugene Island reservoir which was gushing up a river of oil from some deeper and previously unknown source.

Similar results were seen at other Gulf of Mexico oil wells. Similar results were found in the Cook Inlet oil fields in Alaska. Similar results were found in oil fields in Uzbekistan. Similarly in the Middle East, where oil exploration and extraction have been underway for at least the last 20 years, known reserves have doubled. Currently there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 680 billion barrels of Middle East reserve oil.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a03_1309093982 :D
 
...there is nothing that is as economical as oil. oil fields are re-newing themselves, read the research and facts.


Bwaaahaaahaaaahaaaaa.,

Good one.

I'd love to see your oil field that "re-news itself".

Can you point me to your data which shows oil fields renewing themselves?
 
no matter how much one's emotional good feeling democrat beliefs are they do not trump basic science.

natural gas and ethanol have less BTU content than gasoline. This equates to lower mpg, always will.

http://hho4free.com/gasoline_vs_ethanol.htm

there is nothing that is as economical as oil. oil fields are re-newing themselves, read the research and facts.
so to use other sources will lower everybodies standard of living causing everyone to work till the day they die, just like in the old world before America came onto the scene with its constitution, this includes liberal democrats, sorry again, science and economics trumps your feelings.

we will not get off oil unless we start mining and using dilithium crystals.
 
Well Kevin- it is targeted investment R&D dollars that make for breakthroughs. Perhaps you would be willing to give them $25 million.


Now that I think of it, perhaps a better way to finance that would be to levy a tax on imported oil of $1 a barrel, so that we use that money to finance research into breaking our foreign oil (and American soldier deaths) addiction. We could use that money to also finance research and build infrastructure to build natural gas pumps for cars. And solar panels for homes. And wind turbines for business. Yep- all kinds of things we could finance to help break our addiction to foreign oil, if we only put our minds to it and made it a priority.
 
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