Corn and Ethanol.

Recent E85 Prices Submissions

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[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.74
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[TD]$3.71
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[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]26%
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[TD]02/24
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[TD]Omaha
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[TD]Super Saver, 5710 S. 144th Street
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[TD]Nebraska
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.99
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[TD]$3.89
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[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]23%
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[TD]02/27
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[TD]Franklin
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[TD]Meijer, 3651 Towne Blvd
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[TD]Ohio
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.85
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[TD]$3.65
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[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]22%
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[TD]02/23
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[TD]Freeport
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[TD]Fast Stop, Sleezer Home Drive
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[TD]Illinois
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.89
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[TD]$3.69
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]22%
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[TD]02/24
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[TD]Papillion
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[TD]Kum & Go, 10764 Virginia Plaza
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[TD]Nebraska
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.89
[/TD]
[TD]$3.69
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]22%
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[TD]02/24
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[TD]Omaha
[/TD]
[TD]Kum & Go, 4041 N. 168th St
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[TD]Nebraska
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.89
[/TD]
[TD]$3.69
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]22%
[/TD]
[TD]02/24
[/TD]
[TD]Omaha
[/TD]
[TD]Kum & Go, 2627 S HWS Cleveland Blvd
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[TD]Nebraska
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.93
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[TD]$3.69
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]21%
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[TD]02/25
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[TD]McFarland
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[TD]Larson Beach BP, 4800 Larson Beach Road
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[TD]Wisconsin
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.84
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[TD]$3.60
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[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]21%
[/TD]
[TD]02/26
[/TD]
[TD]Ankeny
[/TD]
[TD]Kum N Go, 1910 SW White Birch
[/TD]
[TD]Iowa
[/TD]
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$3.09
[/TD]
[TD]$3.85
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]20%
[/TD]
[TD]02/27
[/TD]
[TD]Flint
[/TD]
[TD]Meijer, 2474 West Hill Rd
[/TD]
[TD]Michigan
[/TD]
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$3.09
[/TD]
[TD]$3.85
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]20%
[/TD]
[TD]02/27
[/TD]
[TD]Brighton
[/TD]
[TD]Meijer, 8650 Grand River West
[/TD]
[TD]Michigan
[/TD]
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.89
[/TD]
[TD]$3.57
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]19%
[/TD]
[TD]02/23
[/TD]
[TD]Omaha
[/TD]
[TD]Kum & Go, 2627 S HWS Cleveland Blvd
[/TD]
[TD]Nebraska
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.99
[/TD]
[TD]$3.69
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]19%
[/TD]
[TD]02/24
[/TD]
[TD]Wheatfield
[/TD]
[TD]Family Express, 5449 W SR 10
[/TD]
[TD]Indiana
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.99
[/TD]
[TD]$3.69
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]19%
[/TD]
[TD]02/24
[/TD]
[TD]Crown Point
[/TD]
[TD]Family Express, 8010 East 109th Avenue
[/TD]
[TD]Indiana
[/TD]
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.99
[/TD]
[TD]$3.67
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]19%
[/TD]
[TD]02/24
[/TD]
[TD]Roselawn
[/TD]
[TD]Family Express, 11880 W State Rd. 10
[/TD]
[TD]Indiana
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.99
[/TD]
[TD]$3.69
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]19%
[/TD]
[TD]02/24
[/TD]
[TD]Plymouth
[/TD]
[TD]Family Express, 1628 W Jefferson St
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[TD]Indiana
[/TD]
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[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.99
[/TD]
[TD]$3.67
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]19%
[/TD]
[TD]02/24
[/TD]
[TD]Michigan City
[/TD]
[TD]Family Express, 3201 Franklin St
[/TD]
[TD]Indiana
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.99
[/TD]
[TD]$3.69
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]19%
[/TD]
[TD]02/24
[/TD]
[TD]Greencastle
[/TD]
[TD]Gas America, 1157E Indianapolis Rd
[/TD]
[TD]Indiana
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.80
[/TD]
[TD]$3.46
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]19%
[/TD]
[TD]02/25
[/TD]
[TD]Denver
[/TD]
[TD]Barns Conoco, 295 S Broadway
[/TD]
[TD]Colorado
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$3.02
[/TD]
[TD]$3.68
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]18%
[/TD]
[TD]02/26
[/TD]
[TD]Jackson
[/TD]
[TD]PS Food Mart, 918 N. Wisner St
[/TD]
[TD]Michigan
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.99
[/TD]
[TD]$3.59
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]17%
[/TD]
[TD]02/23
[/TD]
[TD]Rockford
[/TD]
[TD]Shell, 4740 Baxter Rd
[/TD]
[TD]Illinois
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$3.05
[/TD]
[TD]$3.69
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]17%
[/TD]
[TD]02/24
[/TD]
[TD]Adrian
[/TD]
[TD]Meijer, 217 E. Us 223
[/TD]
[TD]Michigan
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: pricelist"]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]$2.89
[/TD]
[TD]$3.49
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeda4f"]17%
[/TD]
[TD]02/25
[/TD]
[TD]St. Robert
[/TD]
[TD]Kum & Go, 130 Old Route 66
[/TD]
[TD]Missouri
[/TD]
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E85 is significantly less than gas in some areas.
 
Sure- I'm with you on Thorium.

There are lots of places now where it makes economic sense to use E85. While gasoline prices are going up, E85 prices remain flat, and very cost competitive.
 
While the price of gasoline relentlessly creeps upward, the price of fuel grade ethanol (WITHOUT ANY SUBSIDIES, BY THE WAY) contines to ease.

Why do you continually try to use price to explain your position? Price essentially means nil in a global commodity market -- value means everything. Price can be manipulated, value cannot.

Yesterday, Ethanol on the futures market was $2.21 a gallon, while RBOB gasoline rose to $2.93. That's 24% better price for ethanol, at a time when most flex-fuel cars get about 15% less MPG on E85. That means, in short, that you are 9% better off financially using American-made E85 fuel, than you are with that dirty, imported foreign-terrorist supporting gasoline junk.
Again, price is not the important point, value is and as a value investment, ethanol does not make you "better off finanacially."

P.S.- Before Nnuut posts that AAA pump "BTU adjusted price" crap (which is not reflective of actual mileage of Flex-fuel cars, by the way, and the AAA doesn't post the BTU adjusted price of gasoline compared to Diesel fuel, which, if posted, would show Diesel fuel has a 20% advantage over gasoline, as the diesel molecules contain more BTUs than gasoline does), it's much better to let those who drive American-made flex-fuel cars have a choice which fuel they perfer to use.

Now you get it... diesel is more efficient and is a better choice. I'm all for choice -- you know what CHOICE means, right? No congressionally mandated ethanol (or any fuel) requirement should jibe well with your position, thanks.

My Impala gets 12% less MPG on E85 than gas. That's it. Not 25% less.

Price yesterday of gasoline at the wholesale level, without taxes, $2.93:

American-made fuel-grade Ethanol, yesterday, on Chicago futures market, without taxes-- $ 2.21:

Oh yea- I almost forgot to mention-

Ethanol subsidies- now at ZERO. What about the mandate? Dodging that?

Oil Company subsidies, now at $48 BILLION dollars industry wide. I'm all for ending those as well.

Exxon-Mobile not only paid NO U.S. federal taxes on $16 BILLION in profits in 2009, on their huge profits, they actually got $159 million dollars in tax credit refunds from the IRS. http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=67562604-8280-4d56-8af4-a27f59d70de5

You seem dead intent on bringing dollars into the discussion. How's this: exxon doesn't pay taxes anyway, they COLLECT them through their pricing.


Let's see an end to all tax breaks given out to special interests, and then we'll see which fuels compete on a level playing field.


I'm with you on this one. Still with me on thorium?
 
While the price of gasoline relentlessly creeps upward, the price of fuel grade ethanol (WITHOUT ANY SUBSIDIES, BY THE WAY) contines to ease.

Yesterday, Ethanol on the futures market was $2.21 a gallon, while RBOB gasoline rose to $2.93. That's 24% better price for ethanol, at a time when most flex-fuel cars get about 15% less MPG on E85. That means, in short, that you are 9% better off financially using American-made E85 fuel, than you are with that dirty, imported foreign-terrorist supporting gasoline junk.


P.S.- Before Nnuut posts that AAA pump "BTU adjusted price" crap (which is not reflective of actual mileage of Flex-fuel cars, by the way, and the AAA doesn't post the BTU adjusted price of gasoline compared to Diesel fuel, which, if posted, would show Diesel fuel has a 20% advantage over gasoline, as the diesel molecules contain more BTUs than gasoline does), it's much better to let those who drive American-made flex-fuel cars have a choice which fuel they perfer to use.


My Impala gets 12% less MPG on E85 than gas. That's it. Not 25% less.

Price yesterday of gasoline at the wholesale level, without taxes, $2.93:


American-made fuel-grade Ethanol, yesterday, on Chicago futures market, without taxes-- $ 2.21:

Oh yea- I almost forgot to mention-

Ethanol subsidies- now at ZERO.

Oil Company subsidies, now at $48 BILLION dollars industry wide.

Exxon-Mobile not only paid NO U.S. federal taxes on $16 BILLION in profits in 2009, on their huge profits, they actually got $159 million dollars in tax credit refunds from the IRS. http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=67562604-8280-4d56-8af4-a27f59d70de5


Let's see an end to all tax breaks given out to special interests, and then we'll see which fuels compete on a level playing field.
Let's also end the domestic drilling restrictions and REALLY open up the free market.:cool:
 
Let's see an end to all tax breaks given out to special interests, and then we'll see which fuels compete on a level playing field.

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Something we agree upon...
 
While the price of gasoline relentlessly creeps upward, the price of fuel grade ethanol (WITHOUT ANY SUBSIDIES, BY THE WAY) contines to ease.

Yesterday, Ethanol on the futures market was $2.21 a gallon, while RBOB gasoline rose to $2.93. That's 24% better price for ethanol, at a time when most flex-fuel cars get about 15% less MPG on E85. That means, in short, that you are 9% better off financially using American-made E85 fuel, than you are with that dirty, imported foreign-terrorist supporting gasoline junk.


P.S.- Before Nnuut posts that AAA pump "BTU adjusted price" crap (which is not reflective of actual mileage of Flex-fuel cars, by the way, and the AAA doesn't post the BTU adjusted price of gasoline compared to Diesel fuel, which, if posted, would show Diesel fuel has a 20% advantage over gasoline, as the diesel molecules contain more BTUs than gasoline does), it's much better to let those who drive American-made flex-fuel cars have a choice which fuel they perfer to use.


My Impala gets 12% less MPG on E85 than gas. That's it. Not 25% less.

Price yesterday of gasoline at the wholesale level, without taxes, $2.93:

gasmar-2012-futures.JPG

American-made fuel-grade Ethanol, yesterday, on Chicago futures market, without taxes-- $ 2.21:

ethanol-Mar-2012-futures.JPG

Oh yea- I almost forgot to mention-

Ethanol subsidies- now at ZERO.

Oil Company subsidies, now at $48 BILLION dollars industry wide.

Exxon-Mobile not only paid NO U.S. federal taxes on $16 BILLION in profits in 2009, on their huge profits, they actually got $159 million dollars in tax credit refunds from the IRS. http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=67562604-8280-4d56-8af4-a27f59d70de5


Let's see an end to all tax breaks given out to special interests, and then we'll see which fuels compete on a level playing field.
 
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I wonder if the increase in export value is due to the devaluation of the US Dollar? thoughts?

That helps- and is part of it.

And passage of free trade agreements (South Korean FTA passed in 2011), and the resumption and re-introduction of South Korean purchases. that means we'll sell even more beef to them in the years ahead- a good thing for American farmers.

Currently, there is a 40% import tariff on American beef sold in Korea. The free trade agreement reduces that over a 15 year period.

Many South Koreans really love American beef, but we had a lot of issues with farm labor in Korea fighting against the import of American beef. And we have had issues with the American import ban that started in 2003 over Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (Mad Cow). That ban was finally eased in 2010. Now South Korea was the 3rd largest export market for American beef in 2010.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_beef_imports_in_South_Korea
 
U.S. beef exports jumped about 22% last year on surging demand from Canada, Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong.

Prices of beef are up- way up. Main reason? Exports around the world.

But supplies are down- thanks to the drought in Texas and Oklahoma last year, that shrank herds, as farmers sold off cattle when they couldn't get grass to feed them.

"Live cattle prices hit a record $1.26 a pound last week, up 20% the past year."It's the best I've seen it," says Danni Beer, a rancher with a few hundred cattle in Lemmon, S.D. Beer says a double-digit increase in profits last year allowed her to replace a tractor, install new water tanks and purchase steel fencing for her corral. She also plans to increase the size of her herd.



more:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/story/2012-01-29/beef-prices/52874812/1
 
Now let's end the ethanol mandate and we're a cookin'

Here's an interesting story about the ethanol and biodiesel industries. The ethanol industry, which used to be aligned with environmental groups, now is fighting with one of the most environmentally wacky states over their low carbon fuel standards, because it cuts them out of the market. The biodiesel industry, on the other hand, is all for the standards, because it helps their industry. This is what happens when you use politicians to move your product for you. Make a better product for less, and the product will sell itself.

I personally think the standards need to be dropped. Let the people choose which fuel they want to use. My next car will be a diesel, because I want to try my hand at making my own fuel from used veggie oil. I've thought about getting a flex fuel vehicle, so I can use E85, but I like the idea of making my own fuel better. In a free country I'd be able to make that choice. If the LCFS remains in the People's Republic of California, I might not be able to choose the flex fuel car. In fact, since methanol or ethanol is used to make biodiesel, I don't know if I'll be able to make my own fuel if the LCFS stands. I'll have to convert my car to using straight vegetable oil, which could be very expensive.
 
Sell more in the USA (like cutting Oil and Gas exports) and the price of groceries will drop along with livestock prices. Same thing different commodity.
 
Ethanol production creates Dried Distiller's Grain- DDG, which is sold to meat producers around the world to feed livestock.
It's now so popular a feed in China, that the Chinese are using DDG as a weapon in the Tires Import Duty trade war. They want tire tariffs dropped, or else they'll put a tariff on our DDG.


Why anyone would buy Chinese tires is beyond me. Most of their stuff is "OK" or acceptable. Their tires on the other hand just plain dry rot and crack no matter what the brand. If that's not a reason to avoid them I don't know what is.
 
China to extend anti-dumping probe on U.S. DDGs

Dec 28 (Reuters) - China's Commerce Ministry said on Wednesday that it will extend an anti-dumping probe on imports of U.S. distillers' dried grains (DDGs) until June 28 next year before making a final ruling.

The ministry said the reason for the extension was because the case was "special and complicated". It launched the investigation a year ago, threatening trade that has grown massively in 2009 and 2010, when China became the world's largest importer. Since the probe, total DDG imports in the first 11 months of this year fell 48 percent from a year earlier to 1.5 million tonnes. Imports in 2010, all from the United States, had jumped 385 percent to 3.16 million tonnes, worth more than $753 million.

DDGs, a by-product of corn-based ethanol production, have found a ready market in China, where growing demand for meat has fuelled a boom in animal feed production that is using up increasing volumes of corn and soymeal as well as DDGs, which is used as a substitute for corn by feed mills here.

Ethanol production creates Dried Distiller's Grain- DDG, which is sold to meat producers around the world to feed livestock.
It's now so popular a feed in China, that the Chinese are using DDG as a weapon in the Tires Import Duty trade war. They want tire tariffs dropped, or else they'll put a tariff on our DDG.

More:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/28/china-us-ddgs-idUSL3E7NS08I20111228
 
If we're going to have any chance of getting out of this economic mess we must end all subsidies and tax credits, just as a start. Then redo the taxes (no loopholes, off-shore hidey holes etc, Buffet is a good example of playing the trust game) so that everyone pays their fair share (flat tax) and everyone will have skin in the game. When ~ 47% pay no income tax where is their incentive to restore this country back to economic stability. But then that 47% is the facist voting base, they would love to bribe everyone.

When they destroy the middle class, which they are trying to do, we'll all become slaves and kept in our place. That's all I need to say, because of the re-education camps and the snitches that'll be reporting us. Be careful what ya say and to who. I've said enough anyway, but we have at least 2 or 3 facist snitches on this board.

Happy New Year and Good Luck to those that are against the destruction of the Constitution and to the others FU. :laugh:

Ya don't burn your food! That's just pure stupidity!

Retirement is great.
Amen!..good to see you my brother..Happy New Year
 
Corn prices have ranged from low $6's to around $7.75 this year-

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Yes, that's significantly higher than the $2.50- $3.00 a bushel range of the year 2005 and 2006.

The flip side of that is that we are no longer paying corn farmers subsidies to keep prices propped up. The market is doing just fine, thank you. Of course, the huge poultry corporations aren't happy that there isn't a glut of cheap corn, but hey, that's the market in action.

I burned corn in a corn stove to heat my house for a few years until all this ethanol hoopla started. Corn prices had been pretty stable for decades until then. Of course when that happened prices went loony so I switched back to wood pellets. You have to wonder if any of it was to cut our dependence on Middle East oil like they said or if it was really just to help keep that little farmer by the name of Monsanto in the black. Considering the affiliations of the last administration I think it was more the latter.:rolleyes: It never changes, all you have to do is "follow the money" .
 
If we're going to have any chance of getting out of this economic mess we must end all subsidies and tax credits, just as a start. Then redo the taxes (no loopholes, off-shore hidey holes etc, Buffet is a good example of playing the trust game) so that everyone pays their fair share (flat tax) and everyone will have skin in the game. When ~ 47% pay no income tax where is their incentive to restore this country back to economic stability. But then that 47% is the facist voting base, they would love to bribe everyone.

When they destroy the middle class, which they are trying to do, we'll all become slaves and kept in our place. That's all I need to say, because of the re-education camps and the snitches that'll be reporting us. Be careful what ya say and to who. I've said enough anyway, but we have at least 2 or 3 facist snitches on this board.

Happy New Year and Good Luck to those that are against the destruction of the Constitution and to the others FU. :laugh:

Ya don't burn your food! That's just pure stupidity!

Retirement is great.
 
I think they should limit the tax credits to only companies that sell their product exclusively in the USA. :cool:
That would mean GOODBYE to Ethanol.
 
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