Corn and Ethanol.

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Feb 2006 - Jan 2011: 15.820 (22.87 %)

Description: Poultry (chicken), Whole bird spot price, Georgia docks, US cents per pound

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Chicken, Ready-to-cook, whole, iced, FOB Georgia Docks

Chicken Price, (1980-2010)

US cents per Pound </B>

http://www.mongabay.com/commodities/price-charts/price-of-chicken.html

 

[Buster]

Granny's Corn squeezings may be fine for Jethro's truck but I aint putting that slop in my fuel injection engines.

92 Octane until I cant afford it no more.

My Jag uses 93 octane and I can only find it at a Shell station @ $4.05/gal:embarrest:

 

[FAB1]

Granny's Corn squeezings may be fine for Jethro's truck but I aint putting that slop in my fuel injection engines.

92 Octane until I cant afford it no more.

 

[Buster]

No worries Buster, I knew what you meant. Just wanted to keep you from getting Snopes'd.

Thanks for looking out for my 6

 

[Minnow]

No worries Buster, I knew what you meant. Just wanted to keep you from getting Snopes'd.

 

[Buster]

I guess this was what I was thinking...

Engine and fuels:

The predecessors of modern tractors, traction engines, used steam engines for power. Since the turn of the 20th century, internal combustion engines have been the power source of choice. Between 1900 and 1960, gasoline was the predominant fuel, with kerosene and ethanol being common alternatives. Generally one engine could burn any of those, although cold starting was easiest on gasoline. Often a small auxiliary fuel tank was available to hold gasoline for cold starting and warm-up, while the main fuel tank held whatever fuel was most convenient or least expensive for the particular farmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tractor

 

[nnuut]

Boy that guy needs a roll cage bad!

 

[Minnow]

I maybe wrong..But I believe these tractors where as Jim said, made to run on Ethanoil or Gasoline..but the way it was explained to me by an old John Deere collector, was that they were made to burn this kind of fuel ONLY for starting purposes..once the motor was up and running they flipped a valve over to Farm fuel or Diesel for the actual work run.

I'll save Jim the trouble and you the aggravation -- the first diesels for deeres didn't show up until the '40s. No biggie the deere collector is right about the valves on most of those tractors and some of the earlier ones.

But if you look at the video, the fuel tank and some hoses have been modified to prevent vapor lock. The more modern fuel pump is in a different location than the original. But, the fuel filter is the video tractor's problem. Looks to me like it has no heat shield, and that will get you about 75 yards (doing real farm work -- higher revs) before the sputtering begins and then POW. And if that didn't get the tractor, not all the fuel lines look aluminized and that'll get him too maybe before the lack of a heat shields does.

He could probably pull 4 or 5 kids on a small cart for a hay ride, and claim success though. :laugh:

 

[Buster]

Taking that video as god's honest truth for a minute, look at the modifications the guy did. Which is fine, they're not that expensive, but I noticed he wasn't actually farming. He was driving. Put a plow on that thing, then rev it up to a "working" rpm and go plow some ground and watch your precious ethanol theories go up in smoke.


Love those old tractors, though.

I maybe wrong..But I believe these tractors where as Jim said, made to run on Ethanoil or Gasoline..but the way it was explained to me by an old John Deere collector, was that they were made to burn this kind of fuel ONLY for starting purposes..once the motor was up and running they flipped a valve over to Farm fuel or Diesel for the actual work run.

 

[FAB1]

Taking that video as god's honest truth for a minute, look at the modifications the guy did. Which is fine, they're not that expensive, but I noticed he wasn't actually farming. He was driving. Put a plow on that thing, then rev it up to a "working" rpm and go plow some ground and watch your precious ethanol theories go up in smoke.


Love those old tractors, though.

You Go Minnow :toung:

 

[Minnow]

Taking that video as god's honest truth for a minute, look at the modifications the guy did. Which is fine, they're not that expensive, but I noticed he wasn't actually farming. He was driving. Put a plow on that thing, then rev it up to a "working" rpm and go plow some ground and watch your precious ethanol theories go up in smoke.


Love those old tractors, though.

 

[James48843]

For Minnow:

Minnow, here is a John Deere Model "B", driving on E85 ethanol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFJFIlK7pwg

 

[crws]

I like the way you think..check out this discussion:

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=303463&postcount=9101

If you read any of Matt Taibbi's Griftopia America for Sale: An Exclusive Excerpt from Matt Taibbi’s New Book on the Economic Meltdown, it is plain to see the Middle East has amassed their wealth to buy in to any industry or American asset (can you say Wisconsin public power plants) using US contacts as brokers, hiding their identities, way into the future, to offset any potential loss of oil revenue.

The fact that we will transition away from ME oil will mean that no other country has the resources to pay the high price that we as an "affluent" country OPEC has paid for our lifestyle of convenience, and thusly, while oil may not 'run-out' the resale price will still be restricted to what the market will bear, so the Saudi's must hedge.

 

[Buster]

Can you spell p h o t o s y n t h e s i s ?

A Massachusetts biotechnology company says it can produce the fuel that runs Jaguars and jet engines using the same ingredients that make grass grow.

I like the way you think..check out this discussion:

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=303463&postcount=9101

 

[crws]

Can you spell p h o t o s y n t h e s i s ?

A Massachusetts biotechnology company says it can produce the fuel that runs Jaguars and jet engines using the same ingredients that make grass grow.

 

[crws]

You have a bad case of selective reading.

Let me highlight this for you:
the price YOU pay for chicken isn't going up.

Let's look at historic data:

Production of beef for the last ten years is flat:
[FONT=&quot]U.S. beef production (commercial carcass weight):
2002: 27.09 billion pounds
2003: 26.24 billion pounds
2004: 24.55 billion pounds
2005: 24.68 billion pounds
2006: 26.15 billion pounds
2007: 26.42 billion pounds
2008: 26.56 billion pounds
2009: 26.07 billion pounds [/FONT]


Production of chicken is flat:
[FONT=&quot]Chicken Production by year: [/FONT]
U.S. broiler meat production:
2005: 35.4 billion pounds
2006: 35.5 billion pounds
2007: 36.2 billion pounds
2008: 36.9 billion pounds
2009: 35.5 billion pounds


Amount of CORN Grown IS up over 30%
View attachment 10501

For each bushel of corn grown: that equals 2.7 gallons of ethanol, PLUS 11.4 pounds of gluten feed (20% protein) AND 3 pounds of gluten meal (60% protein) AND 1.6 pounds of corn oil.

The production of ethanol from corn uses only the starch of the corn kernel, all of the valuable protein, minerals and nutrients remain.

There is an abundance, not a shortage, of corn and corn animal feed products, as a result of ethanol production.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWqkun6JJg

 

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Its about time!

The ethanol industry doesn't need a subsidy now that refiners are required to use the biofuel, according to the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

The GAO lists the 45-cent-per-gallon tax credit among wasteful programs that could be slashed or eliminated to help address the nation's fiscal problems.
The tax credit, due to expire at the end of the year, will cost the government $5.4 billion this year, and the lost revenue will grow to $6.75 billion by 2015 if the credit is extended, the GAO said.

The tax credit goes to refiners and other gasoline blenders who are already required under federal law to use growing volumes of ethanol each year.

"The ethanol tax credit was important in helping to create a profitable corn starch ethanol industry when the industry had to fund investment in new facilities, but it is less important now for sustaining the industry because most of the capital investment in corn starch ethanol refineries has already been made," the GAO said.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20110302/BUSINESS01/103020348/0/VIDEO06/?odyssey=nav|head

 

[nnuut]

Seven Things That Will Cost More in 2011 and What You Can Do About Them

Ann Brenoff

Jan 7th 2011 at 6:00PM

Get ready to stretch your wallet. We're already seeing the signs of prices creeping up in just the infancy days of 2011. So be prepared to open wide for:

1. A Trip to the Grocery Store
The USDA forecasts a 2% to 3% hike in the cost of all foods in 2011. Higher corn and soybean prices are the main force behind the increase. Remember, farm animals have to be fed and when those costs go up, so does what you pay. Expect a big spike in the dairy case and meat counter, where pork alone is forecast to rise between 3% and 4%.

If it's any comfort, in 2008 food costs overall rose more than 5.5%. And you still didn't lose weight. (MORE) FUEL!!
http://www.walletpop.com/2011/01/07...ll-cost-more-in-2011-and-what-you-can-do-abo/

 

[nnuut]

OK OK OK Have you see the price of stupid Chicken Wings lately?:laugh:

 

[James48843]

You have a bad case of selective reading.

Let me highlight this for you:

...chicken prices are unlikely to rally in coming months,”

the price YOU pay for chicken isn't going up.

Let's look at historic data:

Production of beef for the last ten years is flat:
[FONT=&quot]U.S. beef production (commercial carcass weight):
2002: 27.09 billion pounds
2003: 26.24 billion pounds
2004: 24.55 billion pounds
2005: 24.68 billion pounds
2006: 26.15 billion pounds
2007: 26.42 billion pounds
2008: 26.56 billion pounds
2009: 26.07 billion pounds [/FONT]


Production of chicken is flat:
[FONT=&quot]Chicken Production by year: [/FONT]
U.S. broiler meat production:
2005: 35.4 billion pounds
2006: 35.5 billion pounds
2007: 36.2 billion pounds
2008: 36.9 billion pounds
2009: 35.5 billion pounds


Amount of CORN Grown IS up over 30%
View attachment 10501

For each bushel of corn grown: that equals 2.7 gallons of ethanol, PLUS 11.4 pounds of gluten feed (20% protein) AND 3 pounds of gluten meal (60% protein) AND 1.6 pounds of corn oil.

The production of ethanol from corn uses only the starch of the corn kernel, all of the valuable protein, minerals and nutrients remain.

There is an abundance, not a shortage, of corn and corn animal feed products, as a result of ethanol production.