Corn and Ethanol.

hessian said:
E85 eats most car's gaslines and carbs, attacking the rubber/silicone & metal parts that it touches. Its not a myth, its a fact that I found out the hard way. Google on the following...
I have a 2003 Jeep Wrangler, and about 5 years ago, I got engine check lights that just wouldn't stay off even when I'd add fuel additives. Finally in desperation, I went to the dealer and paid $650 - to have my carb "cleaned" and fuelines replaced. When I asked why they told me it was the ethanol in the gas - and they said to expect having to do this periodically, as the problem will recur and grow further over time, likely "eating" at engine parts.
I don't want to give up my '03 Wrangler that I paid to modify highly! But, I suppose its almost about that time again. Also...

E85/ethanol not only will literally "eat" your pre~2009 car's engine - but using corn to make the ethanol, from a main food staple, is simply an awful idea as it will drive up costs, for all our food, beginning with grain products, but also and especially those other products that depend on grains (e.g. beef, chicken, milk, etc.). Think about it! :mad:
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Always with the negative waves...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ
 
Show-me said:
Why do you guys thing they do not transfer ethanol in the underground pipelines? Very corrosive.
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Um, ethanol IS being shipped by pipeline:

Here:
Ethanol pipeline test a success, says Kinder Morgan

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2008/10/13/daily42.html


they don't switch back and forth between ethanol and oil or gasoline, but they CAN build ethanol pipelines if they wish to. In fact, there are pipelines being proposed for ethanol right now.

And Brazil just recently completed a 700 mile ethanol pipeline:

http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/blog2...le-brazilian-ethanol-pipeline-by-end-of-2009/
 
hessian said:
E85 eats most car's gaslines and carbs, attacking the rubber/silicone & metal parts that it touches. Its not a myth, its a fact that I found out the hard way. Google on the following...
I have a 2003 Jeep Wrangler, and about 5 years ago, I got engine check lights that just wouldn't stay off even when I'd add fuel additives. Finally in desperation, I went to the dealer and paid $650 - to have my carb "cleaned" and fuelines replaced. When I asked why they told me it was the ethanol in the gas - and they said to expect having to do this periodically, as the problem will recur and grow further over time, likely "eating" at engine parts.
I don't want to give up my '03 Wrangler that I paid to modify highly! But, I suppose its almost about that time again. Also...

E85/ethanol not only will literally "eat" your pre~2009 car's engine - but using corn to make the ethanol, from a main food staple, is simply an awful idea as it will drive up costs, for all our food, beginning with grain products, but also and especially those other products that depend on grains (e.g. beef, chicken, milk, etc.). Think about it! :mad:
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#1. E85 is not meant to be used in a non-flex-fuel car. It's meant to be used in a flexfuel car.

#2. All cars build since 1982 are specifically designed to be compatible with E10. It's a federal requirement, and a design specification in the ASTM specs.

#3. Of course the car dealer is going to charge you $650 to turn off your check engine light, and then tell you you are going to have to come back and pay him another $650 every once in a while. That's dealership security for him, and also totally false. Congratulations, you're paying for his next vacation to Aruba.

By the way- the data I can find only says that the 2003 Jeep 4.0 liter engine was multi-port fuel injected, not carborated. Are you sure the dealer was "cleaning your carb"? If it doesn't have a carb?

(Sigh....) More untruths.
 
Simply lacks enough lubricant to satisfy the demand of a mechanical internal combustion engine.
Over time the fuel properties will improve as well as the design characteristics of the engine.
The actual use of corn is irrelavent. Ethanol based fuels all have this problem in varying degrees.
NASCAR will help over time as they are switching to an Ethanol type fuel. Not sure when but the information gathered over time will be extremely valueable to the manufacturers. The more the testing the better.

I am not pro or anti corn. No stone should be left unturned. And anyone found not excepting of another idea because it competes with theirs should be shot immediately.

BTW Buster, you have to have an abundance of something to warrant a pipeline. I have a bottle of Corn wiskey that is higher in Alcohol content than ethanol fuel. Been in the same plastic bottle for 20 years. No Leaks, except when I'm sippin.:D
 
E85 eats most car's gaslines and carbs, attacking the rubber/silicone & metal parts that it touches. Its not a myth, its a fact that I found out the hard way. Google on the following...
I have a 2003 Jeep Wrangler, and about 5 years ago, I got engine check lights that just wouldn't stay off even when I'd add fuel additives. Finally in desperation, I went to the dealer and paid $650 - to have my carb "cleaned" and fuelines replaced. When I asked why they told me it was the ethanol in the gas - and they said to expect having to do this periodically, as the problem will recur and grow further over time, likely "eating" at engine parts.
I don't want to give up my '03 Wrangler that I paid to modify highly! But, I suppose its almost about that time again. Also...

E85/ethanol not only will literally "eat" your pre~2009 car's engine - but using corn to make the ethanol, from a main food staple, is simply an awful idea as it will drive up costs, for all our food, beginning with grain products, but also and especially those other products that depend on grains (e.g. beef, chicken, milk, etc.). Think about it! :mad:
 
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Here's a video about the new Buick Turbo Regal and running flex-fuel in New Jersey:

He got 30 MPG on gasoline, and 26.4 MPG on E85. That's about a 12% difference in MPG, on a car that has a 2.0 liter Turbocharged 220 HP engine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6tok5np8G4

E85 is a lot cheaper where I am (15% or more spread) than in New Jersey.

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/Turbo+power+gives+Buick+Regal+game/3253549/story.html

In 2012, Buick will introduce "eAssist", which is a braking/electric generation system, which gains power from braking, then uses that power to accelerate. It will bump the MPG's up from 30 to estimated 38 MPG around town.

And they'll also have a 255 HP turbo engine model on the 'Grand Sport' Turbo Regal. It's not yet been announced if the GS will be flex-fuel or not. I think it will be.
 
James48843 said:
The True Drivers Behind Commodity Price Increases



Oil.

http://www.growthenergy.org/news-me...true-driver-behind-commodity-price-increases/
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I think everyone knows why Commodity prices have risen so much over the past years, it's the DOLLAR for us in the USA at least. By the way OIL is a commodity! If they don't quit printing money and stop the spending the dollar will be worth ZERO and that's the truth.
Don't believe the LIES!!:nuts:

James Turk: The Real Reason for Rising Commodity Prices!


The reality is that wheat is being driven higher by more than bad weather. The price of wheat has been climbing since June, a fact conveniently ignored in the WSJ article, perhaps because it doesn’t square with its premise that bad weather is causing higher wheat prices. Are we to believe that the market knew seven months ago that weather around the world today would be so bad that it would impact global wheat output? Or has wheat – which has risen $3.50 per bushel, or 70%, since its June low – been climbing steadily higher over these several months for another reason? And more to the point, why are all commodity prices rising? For example, since June copper has risen $1.70 per pound, or 59%. Is bad weather to blame?

No, of course it isn’t. Something else is at work here. Maybe wheat has risen more than copper over this period because bad weather really has had some impact on wheat production. But obviously, given that commodity prices are rising across the board, we have to look for other factors that are causing this surge in prices. And we do not need to look too hard. Just consider the money printing – a/k/a “quantitative easing” – by central banks going on all around the world. QE is building up tremendous inflationary pressures in the pipeline of goods and services, which for months now has been showing up in the area most sensitive to monetary debasement, namely, commodity prices.
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http://socioecohistory.wordpress.co...-the-real-reason-for-rising-commodity-prices/
 
Not a fan of Beck but Gold IS real money to the majority of the world and that is the reasoning to own it in the physical form. Now it is out of reach for the common person so silver is the next best thing and it has the greatest gain potential in that class.
 
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While Glenn Beck was telling you to buy gold, it turns out Cotton or sugar would have been a far better gamble.
 
If the world climate changes as they predict or we have more major crop failure like in the former USSR, watch how much ethanol will become.

And, why are we still subsidizing ethanol producers, farmers, and gasoline blenders with $6 corn and $100 oil.?
 
Snopes don't mean crap to me, I help do the shopping in my family and I remember what it all cost a few years ago. Also, CPI does not allow volatile food and energy. ROFLMAO BRILLIANT!
 
Show-me said:
Feb 2006 - Jan 2011: 15.820 (22.87 %)

Description: Poultry (chicken), Whole bird spot price, Georgia docks, US cents per pound

http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=chicken&months=60

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Chicken, Ready-to-cook, whole, iced, FOB Georgia Docks

Chicken Price, (1980-2010)

US cents per Pound </B>

http://www.mongabay.com/commodities/price-charts/price-of-chicken.html
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Show-me said:




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Exactly!!!! And you know how much I love to BBQ! View attachment 10712Prepare yourself for multiple Snopes hits in a few minutes.
I wonder how much Skunk thighs are running? skunk.gif
 
That's because much of the corn grown in the U.S. is used as animal feed. And "we're using $6 corn to feed hogs right now," up from about $4 last year, says Michael Swanson, an agricultural economist at Wells Fargo in Minneapolis. "Either the hog guy is going to go out of business or you're going to pay more for pork." So if you want barbecue ribs," he adds, "you're going to have an extra $10 attached to it."​
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Pork is up about​


12% from a year

ago, beef 6% and
poultry 2%, Mr.
Swanson says.
And poultry is
expected to
increase further,​





he says.​
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The surge in corn prices doesn't necessarily mean
you'll see a price jump on Corn Flakes or even corn
on the cob. Since corn is used mostly as feed, you'll​

likely be paying more for pork, beef and poultry.
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