XL-entLady's Account Talk

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Okay folks, everybody is getting super stressed about the situation. So here's what I'd like to ask you all to do. First of all, wet your lips and take a deep breath through your mouth, then release it slowly through your nose. Next:

1. If you have money in a bank, check you bank's main internet page to see if it says it's FDIC insured. If it is, good. If not, look for a new bank today - make that yesterday.

2. If you have money in a credit union, check to see if it is NCUA insured. That's the "full faith and credit" government insurance for credit unions. If your credit union is NCUA insured, good. If not, see step 1.

3. For those of you who have significant nest eggs, ensure that you have no more than $100,000 in any one FDIC or NCUA insured banking entity.

4. If you have money in a Money Market Mutual Fund (MMMF), deposit accounts as of September 19, 2008, are currently guaranteed but we don't know how much is guaranteed for any one investor or how long that protection will last. So it may make sense to move into a Treasury MMMF until the smoke clears.

5. Fully protect any money you may need for the next five years. You never have to apologize to anyone for being safe.

6. For money that won't be needed for 10 or 20 years (I'm not talking when you retire, I'm talking when you're going to use the money - usually not the same thing), stay focused on your long term goals and know that this too shall pass.

Will you do those things for me? Thanks! :)

Lady
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XL-entlady! I sent a copy of this advice to all my friends and family.
 
Rustynutt,

The whole retirement issue is complex. The answer is always, "Do your homework and then make the best decision for your circumstances."

:rolleyes: Just trying to make sure that you consider everything before making your decision....

Good luck!

Lady

(Firstly, please read light hearted, that’s how it’s meant)

I’m never one to pass up a benefit worked for. The way I see it (and I’m stubborn) the DOD is going to pay me social security level wages for nearly 7 years in addition to my FERS retirement during that time.

7 years of my life is worth more than any 18% ever will be. I’m going to die someday. I’ve been a single parent since my 25-year-old kid was 3, and just put him through an AA Radiological Technician program, as well as a previous AS program, both taking 6 years to complete (he's not the brightest bulb in the box, but neither is dad). Cash out of pocket for tuition, rent and cost of living at well as contributing (until last year) 20% into the TSP. It about broke me and drove me nuts, but I survived. You can imagine that living high on the hog hasn’t been one of my luxuries in life. For reference, I’m equal to what use to be a GS 11/12 (and no bragging intended, China Lake had what they called the “Demo” project that rewarded quite nicely on a performance basis for a layman as myself. Under NSPS, I’ll be hosed the last few years). Another small point to make, my son isn’t too keen on paying Social Security with what reports have been coming out the last several years. Multiply him by millions, and well, who’s to say the program will exist in the same form in 7 years? My hedge is to be under full payment by the DOD in the event something does change. They have done well to take care of me so far, who knows, there might be a special clause for those under that payment plan. I know, just rhetorical nonsense, but really, whom would have thought the world would be in this state six or seven years ago? Change is inevitable, and is also unpredictable.

He graduated in June, worked for a registry since then, and will become a full time Kaiser Employee in Thousand Oaks at 77K a year (Gross) just starting out. I’ve only been above that level the last 5 years of my entire working career, and due in large part to locality pay. He’s set and I harbor no ill feelings about leaving any kind of inherence. I’m spending it all!

But really, I don’t mean to sound so serious. Heck, I’m even engaged and have a wedding date set for June of next year! Life is great, to wonderful to spend the remaining years in the rat race. The down side to winning the rat race is you become one. I like to consider myself a big cuddly bear :)

Yes, DOD’s FERS MRA is 30 years at 55, which I’m months of calculation wise, almost dead on with carry over annual leave 240 hours and converted sick leave (which I think is in the books, and even if it’s not, one can be sure I’ll become very sickly getting as old as 55!).

Roughly looking at your COLA figures, not really taking into account compounding as I’ll likely be spending the funds enjoying retirement and not doing much investing, the figure depending on the date of my demise is around 180~250K. I’ll make almost half of the 180 figure as a re-hired annuitant in the six months after retirement (not sure if other agencies do this, but DOD has a program, and I actually do perform a necessary function).

So I actually retire at 56, drawing full benefits and medical, but will work another 6 months for basically cash after taxes. I’ve build up a small inventory to keep my personal business running for about 4 years after age 56. Not counting profit, if any, the tax benefit from sales, expense and operating will subtract a few percent from the COLA I’ll be missing, and I’ll be loving every minute of it.

Real estate. Umm, I know what I’d sell my home for, and don’t really care about the current market. Our town has benefited from the last couple of BRAC’s, we are still hiring like crazy (who in their right mind wants to move to the Mojave desert on a realignment?), and luxury homes are still being built to accommodate the upper end of the pay scales. If my place sells for the price of a condo in metropolitan areas, I’ll make out with moving money and about 100% of the purchase price of property where were are planning on moving to. I’ve lowered my “dream home” expectations to either a manufactured home, or some 100-year-old house that needs constant attention. My fiancée is from Holland, and is quite use to 200 year old buildings :D She’s a 45 year old very healthy Dutch “Girlie” that can hoist a 12 foot 4*8 beam as well as anyone. It took a long time, lots of searching, trial and error to find not a perfect mate, but a person that has the same ideas about what ones quality of life should be, and the necessary sacrifices it may require to obtain and actually live it. We giggle at each other just reading in the same room, and can ride silently beside each other driving hundreds of miles through densely forested mountains, stopping briefly to take a photo or pick up a rock. The motorcycles are a different story, or rather I should say the racing, but even though the fire still burns, I’m feeling now that that part of my life is better left smoldering and just enjoy the satisfaction in mechanics they offer.

So what’s left to cover in your figures, about 14% say? I still plan on working after retirement, maybe a small OHV shop near the Oregon Dunes State OHV Park selling tires and decals to weekend tourist. That leaves Monday through Friday to fish, work on the old house, or hook up the toy hauler to the diesel, drive a thousand miles to deliver an old motorcycle writing off 55 cents a mile on the trip.

But wait, there’s more! Remember that TSP account? There are a couple of options there. Set up a small account to take care of the manufactured home month by month, or the smallish mortgage on the run down cottage, or whatever the best way is at the time to pull from that account. The second option, one that does involve a bit of skullduggery as it were, is she and her sister are the only heirs to her fathers property in Epe, The Netherlands. If the dollar and US economy brings down Europe to an equal playing field, you can be sure my change of address won’t be in Oregon, it will be about 6000 miles away.

I love trains :)

We all look at numbers differently, and there are a lot in my little musing, but they are not statistical, nor printed out on a spreadsheet. Like you said, and actually the saying can and should be applied to almost everything else in life, “it’s different for everyone”.

But don’t get me wrong, I love to go over them with all of you on almost a nightly basis while glued to Bloomberg at 6am in the morning.
 
Rustynutt,
It's wonderfully refreshing reading your posts.

I hope the very best in all your endeavors and a long and blessed life to follow you through.
 
Rustynutt,
It's wonderfully refreshing reading your posts.

I hope the very best in all your endeavors and a long and blessed life to follow you through.
Rustynutt, my sparkling brother Steady (who is as much at home on this thread as I am) expressed it well for both of us. I heartily concur! :D

Lady
 
An interesting tidbit:

"Here's a little history about bear markets since 1960: In 1973-74 we experienced the Ursa Major of markets with declines of 45.1 percent, but the average bear decline is about 31.1 percent. The average duration of modern-day bears is 14 months, but the longest ran from January 2000 to October 2002. Over the 12 months following a bear market, the average recovery was 31.8 percent and the range of 12-month recoveries was between 8.7 percent and 51.4 percent, according to Ned Davis Research."

http://www.aft.org/pubs-reports/your_money/2008/the_bear.htm

So I will be patient. And I will keep watch.

And in the interim I will see if Deron Williams can keep threading that basketball down the court like he was choreographed, if Carlos Boozer can recover from his playoff slump, and if Korver can keep hitting those 3-pointers like he had a homing device on the basket. GO JAZZ!

The four loves of my life are my husband, my books, my yoga, and my Jazz. And the order varies depending on the day.:laugh:

:D
Lady
 
Over the 12 months following a bear market, the average recovery was 31.8 percent and the range of 12-month recoveries was between 8.7 percent and 51.4 percent, according to Ned Davis Research."

Thanks Birch, I've missed you today :nuts::D

http://www.aft.org/pubs-reports/your_money/2008/the_bear.htm

Also appreciate showing the 43% Gain in S Fund in 2003

So I will be patient. And I will keep watch.

My dear friend,
Of course the general MB perception is the BEAR is ending (and no doubt it's what we all want to believe). It seems like the Top Analysists are thinking real sustained growth (or what we think of as a real BULL MARKET) is not going to happen anytime soon.

So patience is the virtue ;)

The four loves of my life are my husband, my books, my yoga, and my Jazz. And the order varies depending on the day.:laugh:

Lady

Hum....my loves are smelling the outdoors after a good rain, looking at a freshly cut lawn, walking in a drizzle on a hot summer's day, finding connections and bonds that are refreshingly wonderful, coming to a new and greater understanding of life, our planet, and the universe; acknowledging how Ella responds every morning when I get her up, every evening when I get home, and the way she soaks up my love (and gives so much back); funny commercials; a beautiful woman appearing from out of the blue; good movies and books that inspire me, move me, or make me cry; hearing beautiful testimonies about all kinds of things; swimming with dolphins, holding babies...and it just goes on and on.
 
Bear Advisory

The Forest Service has issued a BEAR WARNING in the national forests for this summer. They're urging everyone to protect themselves by wearing bells and carrying pepper spray.

Campers should be alert for signs of fresh bear activity, and they should be able to tell the difference between Black Bear dung and Grizzy Bear dung.

Black Bear dung is rather small and round. Sometimes you can see fruit seeds and/or squirrel fur in it.

Grizzly Bear dung has bells in it, and smells like pepper spray.

:D
 
This topic reminds me of Moose nugget jewelry. It used to be popular with the organic crowd.
And you didn't have to worry about cut, color and clarity! :laugh:

Interesting gemstone discussion, especially VW-Girl's note about snythetics. I dabble in making my own gemstone jewelry. Tried something with synthetics once and it was just NOT the same. :(

Lady
 
And you didn't have to worry about cut, color and clarity! :laugh:

Interesting gemstone discussion, especially VW-Girl's note about snythetics. I dabble in making my own gemstone jewelry. Tried something with synthetics once and it was just NOT the same. :(

Lady

One thing positive to note about synthetic rubies and sapphires(besides the price), they are still corundum(sp?) the same as real ones so they survive the heat of a kiln. Makes interesting metal clay jewelry.
 
Steady,

Have you ever been in the woods after a fresh snow storm - it's very, very, quiet.

These are "God Moments" for me.

At no other point am I more fully convinced that something so incredibly above anything and everything I've even known is responsible for such beauty. It's the ultimate healing - because nothing could seem more pure and if the snow and it's magical beauty can cover the woods then there is no doubt "the unseen snow" can cover me. It's beautiful Birch - everybit as beautiful as the sunset in the Painted Desert and other awe inspiring moments.
 
Bear Advisory

The Forest Service has issued a BEAR WARNING in the national forests for this summer. They're urging everyone to protect themselves by wearing bells and carrying pepper spray.

Campers should be alert for signs of fresh bear activity, and they should be able to tell the difference between Black Bear dung and Grizzy Bear dung.

Black Bear dung is rather small and round. Sometimes you can see fruit seeds and/or squirrel fur in it.

Grizzly Bear dung has bells in it, and smells like pepper spray.

:D

Now that is funny! I don't care who you are, that's funnny. Thanks for giving me a good laugh this morning. I really needed it.
 
One thing positive to note about synthetic rubies and sapphires(besides the price), they are still corundum(sp?) the same as real ones so they survive the heat of a kiln. Makes interesting metal clay jewelry.
Metal clay jewelry? That's a new one for me. Sounds interesting! Tell me more?

I used to buy sand cast sterling silver and match it up with turquoise or abalone, but not so much anymore. Too expensive for retired budgets. But sometimes I'd match the silver with unexpected things like aquamarine or amazonite and get something really fun. I tried emeralds but couldn't find anything that wasn't oiled to hide bad quality.

Lady
 
TSP.gov has just released the September return data. I'm still having trouble getting a pdf to paste into a MB post (got to be a Vista problem, everything else is, can't be the nut behind the wheel!). Anyway, I think it is important to look at these numbers, just to get a reminder of how careful we need to be these days. So here is the link:

http://tsp.gov/rates/monthly-current.html

Take care, all!

Lady
 
Metal clay jewelry? That's a new one for me. Sounds interesting! Tell me more?

Very small particles of silver are mixed with a polymer clay. The clay is just like other clays and can be shaped and molded. When fired in a kiln it is identical to what was crafted except a little smaller and comes out .999 fine silver. The silver particles fuse together as the polymer burns off. Shrinkage is from 13% to 30% depending on the type used. You can get more info doing a search on Precious Metal Clay (PMC) or Silver Art Clay. Those are the only 2 brands I know of. They also make it in gold but it is very expensive. Too rich for my blood.
 
For those of you who are interested in the trends, this is what it looks like this week. Please keep in mind that those negative numbers aren't the amount of the drop. They are the difference between the current price and the simple moving average for the time period.

If the House doesn't pass the bill today, those numbers are going to fall off a cliff. Oh wait...they already have. :(

I'm 100% G and will stay that way for a while.

Be careful out there!
Lady


,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,G Fund,,,F Fund,,,C Fund,,,S Fund,,,I Fund
10 day SMA: ,,,+0.0%,,,-0.0%,,,,-4.9%,,,,,-5.4%,,,,,-5.9%
20 day SMA: ,,,+0.1%,,,-0.7%,,,,-7.6%,,,,,-9.8%,,,,,-8.6%
50 day SMA: ,,,+0.4%,,,-0.6%,,,-10.7%,,,,-13.0%,,,-13.3%
100 day SMA: ,+0.7%,,-0.1%,,,-12.9%,,,,-14.9%,,,-19.1%
150 day SMA: ,+1.1%,,-0.3%,,,-14.5%,,,,-15.3%,,,-21.8%
200 day SMA: ,+1.4%,,-0.2%,,,-15.0%,,,,-15.1%,,,-22.4%

The above numbers are the differences from the simple moving averages (SMAs) for each
fund, based on Thrift Fund share prices and simplified by being recorded only once a week.
Because I'm trying to look at trends I've highlighted any changes < or > 0.5%. Follow the
column down in order to see how a TSP Fund is trending long-term.
 
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