What YOU can do to fight back - IFT limit

Could it be there's another direction that this can be fought? I'm not active duty nor retired but seems to me this targets the great men and women of our armed forces who go in harms way. Couldn't be very popular these days to be taking away a benefit from those who have or will be deployed... Election year...... I'll draft a letter and send it out to a few members of the HASC..

If I missed this approach in a previous thread... ooops

John
 
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Originally Posted by TSP Badboy Letter
"Frequent trading is also creating greater risk of performance deviation from the TSP Funds benchmark indexes."

Ya I just got my letter.

Just what does the above sentence mean? Can this claim be substantiated? They make it sound like we are children who need to be protected from ourselves. (BTW I made 17% last year actively managing my money versus their stupid dumb downed L funds).

The claim is wrong. They are saying that frequent trading creates an increased "risk" that the funds won't reach the benchmark index. As shown in an eariler TSPSHAREHOLDER.ORG newsletter, the funds have EXCEEDED the benchmark indexes- BECAUSE of increased interfund transfer activity.

That is what they (ETAC and BOARD) don't understand.


Interfund transfers HELP the funds, not hurt them.
 
Bumping this up to the top--

It appears that the letters being sent out are causing a number of people to find us here at TSPTALK. People who are getting the letters, but have only just this week found us here.

Good.

If you are just joining us for the first time, please feel free to register, and discuss the battle which lies ahead of us. Start by reading this thread from the beginning- as we are talking about a number of strategies to fight back.

Thanks in advance, and welcome aboard.
 
I don't recall ever getting such a letter...and I know my address is correct because when they went to those stupid account numbers I got that in the mail. Hmm...
 
xactly! Seems if you did not IFT 3 or more times in Oct, Nov and Dec 2007, then you did not qualify as a "frequent trader" (their words). What I am wondering is, will I get a letter later on? I IFT'd 8 times in Jan 08. What if I do 4 in Feb? I did not get a letter, so will 4 trigger a flag from them? We shall see! ;)

From reading the first letter it seems only people who did interfund transfers often received the letter.
 
FRTIB needs to read this if they think the proposed limits doesn't impact the military. First of all, our military wants to maximize their returns like everyone else does. Secondly, snail mail takes forever from overseas so they are at even more of a disadvantage than the rest of us. Thirdly, DCA over time is the strategy most recommended by financial advisors. I guess FRTIB came up with the 2 transfers per month because of 2 pay periods per month? I suppose you can DCA the weeks between pay periods to maintain your desired balance.
Actually, even the twice monthly DCA thing doesn't work as far as I am aware, because I'm on the bimonthly pay system and my TSP contribution only gets deposited once. In fact, the Army actually figures out ahead of time (based on my TSP percent withholding) how much will be going into the TSP, subtracts it from my pay due, cuts that in half to give me half my pay due at mid-month, then waits until the end of the month (which actually winds up being sometime during the first 1-3 days of the next month after processing time) to deposit my TSP contribution. Basically, like Uncle Sam loves to do with income tax withholding, the are taking a 0% interest, 15-day loan on my money every month. Furthermore, they inevitable wait until just after a nice 1-2% rise and/or just before a nice day (like yesterday!) to deposit it. I don't have the time or patience to crunch those numbers, but I sure don't feel like DCAing is working for me like that.:rolleyes:
 
I would really like to send my $500.00 to somebody to start the class-action law suit. If I wasn't overseas, I would run hire the lawyer and then we could all send the money to the law firm. We did this when a group of employees banded together to fight the Army on the "five-year rule." We lost, but the system worked. (Note: Army rarely enforces 5 year rule now due to dollar being bad. etc.)

Any ideas on how to get started? I would be willingly to make daily trades so I can get BANNED so I can show some damage.
 
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Hello qibovin, Yes. You can see this in the tracker thanks to Ocean. :)

Thanks. I was trying to look on there, but got tired of clicking on each individual to check their trading history.

I'm thinking of "DCAing" out little, but I'd like to not fear getting back in.:rolleyes:
 
Check out this Government Executive column. "TSP tech upgrade progressing, officials say" http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=39322&dcn=e_nextgov

Officials also said they plan to publish in early March interim regulations that would restrict to two the number of TSP transfers participants can conduct each month. The regulations will be available for public comment for 30 days, officials said.

"If there's a better idea out there, we'll modify our approach," said Gregory Long, executive director of the Thrift Savings Plan. "Assuming there is not a significant change, we'll be making this active in April or May."
 
a 24% increase in annual budget ---- no wonder they want to squeese out IFT's --- to keep the bottom line the same. Stealing our rights to pay for their normal operating costs.
 
Court says 401(k) participants can sue

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8UU56H80.htm

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that individual participants in the most common type of retirement plan can sue under a pension protection law to recover their losses.

The unanimous decision has implications for 50 million workers with $2.7 trillion invested in 401(k) retirement plans.

James LaRue of Southlake, Texas, said the value of his stock market holdings plunged $150,000 when administrators at his retirement plan failed to follow his instructions to switch to safer investments.

The issue in the LaRue case was whether the Employee Retirement Income Security Act permits an individual account holder to sue plan administrators for breaching their fiduciary duties.

The language of the law refers to recovering money for the "plan" rather than for an individual, raising the question of whether a participant can sue solely for himself.

Justice John Paul Stevens, in his opinion for the court, said that such lawsuits are allowed. "Fiduciary misconduct need not threaten the solvency of the entire plan to reduce benefits below the amount that participants would otherwise receive," Stevens said.

The decision overturned a ruling by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va.

Unlike people enrolled in traditional pension plans, employees in 401(k) plans, which have exploded in number in the past two decades, choose from a menu of options on where to invest their money. That puts workers squarely in the middle of decision-making about their pensions and inevitably leads to the kind of disputes LaRue has with his plan's administrators.

"Defined contribution plans dominate the retirement plan scene today," unlike when ERISA was enacted in the mid-1970s, Stevens said.

Many traditional pension plans guaranteeing a fixed monthly benefit have either been frozen or terminated, and 401(k) plans are the main source of retirement income, said the Air Line Pilots Association, which represents 60,000 pilots at 41 air carriers.

The Bush administration argued in support of workers. The government said the appeals court ruling barring LaRue's lawsuit would leave 401(k) participants without a meaningful remedy from any federal, state or local court when plan administrators fail to live up to their duties.

Business groups supported LaRue's employer. They argued that ERISA is aimed at encouraging employers to set up pension plans, while guarding against administrative abuses involving the plan as a whole. The law doesn't permit individual lawsuits like LaRue's, the business groups said.

Congress enacted ERISA after some widely publicized failures by companies and labor unions to pay promised pensions. Workers in class-action lawsuits have long relied on the law, most recently in the scandal-ridden collapses of companies like Enron and its 401(k) plan for workers.

The term 401(k) refers to a section of the Internal Revenue Code.

Participants in 401(k) plans do not know how much money they will receive in retirement. Employees invest a certain amount each month and how much they get back depends on how well their chosen investments have performed.

The case is LaRue v. DeWolff, 06-856.
 
"Meanwhile, officials touted the benefits of the plan's lifecycle funds, which shift investments from risky to more conservative blends as participants grow older. Officials noted that even in January, a volatile month for the markets, the L funds experienced significantly lower losses than the underlying funds. The returns on the L 2040, 2030 and 2020 funds also have surpassed all equity funds besides the international fund since their inception, officials added. "


That part about surpassing everything EXCEPT THE INTERNATIONAL FUND (which is the one causing all of the hoopla) is interesting as well.
 
How about a summary of where we are right now. I appologise for not being more active on the message board lately but life and work has a way of getting busy. What needs to happen right now? Do we need to send out more letters? Is there any looming meetings? I've lost track. Or, are we waiting on the Federal Register posting to comment there?

Also, I noticed the TSPshareholders donation thingy has been reset? James, did you get enough money for the trip to lobby? Thanks.
 
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