What YOU can do to fight back - IFT limit

Good idea Miss Piggy.

Perhaps we can all send them a fax today. I'll go look and see if it is possible to send up an automated fax link.
 
It's not just you. They are intentionally trying to do this at the times that federal employees are LEAST likely to be able to hear about it, and are least likely to be able to fight back.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER give up your freedom.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER give up.
 
Isn't Congress in recess again and is it only me that finds it suspicious that the board is putting this out again during a Congressional recess like they did during Thanksgiving? Maybe it's me but I find the timing very interesting.
 
Folks:

You might want to review this web site: http://tsp.gov/faq/faq14.html#top

It specifically states
The restrictions will be announced in the annual TSP participant statement mailing which is scheduled for February 2008. We anticipate they will take effect in April 2008.

If you look at the the TSP's Q and A's it looks like a done deal. I hope not.
 
Note:

To begin with, I would urge you all to FAX in a response immediately, asking for them to withdraw the Federal Register notice, because they have made an error. They say that there will not be an impact on a substantial number of small entities under the regulatory flexibility act. I would argue that there WILL be an adverse impact on any of the small businesses which have sprung up to provide information and advise to TSP Shareholders. This will put them out of business. This doesn't ONLY affect federal employees. It also affects retirees, service members, and those who operate small businesses that provide services, investment counseling, etc, etc, etc.

"Regulatory Flexibility Act

I certify that these regulations will not have a significant
economic impact on a substantial number of small entities. They will
affect only employees of the Federal Government."
 
Someone sent in this:
[Federal Register: December 27, 2007 (Volume 72, Number 247)]
[Rules and Regulations]
[Page 73251-73252]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
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Rules and Regulations
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This section of the FEDERAL REGISTER contains regulatory documents
having general applicability and legal effect, most of which are keyed
to and codified in the Code of Federal Regulations, which is published
under 50 titles pursuant to 44 U.S.C. 1510.

The Code of Federal Regulations is sold by the Superintendent of Documents.
Prices of new books are listed in the first FEDERAL REGISTER issue of each
week.

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FEDERAL RETIREMENT THRIFT INVESTMENT BOARD

5 CFR Part 1601


Participants' Choices of TSP Funds

AGENCY: Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board.

ACTION: Interim rule, with request for comments.

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SUMMARY: The Agency is amending its interfund transfer regulations to
provide that the Executive Director may adopt a policy of setting
limits on the number of interfund transfer requests. In the near term,
this amendment will allow the Executive Director to immediately address
and, if necessary, restrict the activity of frequent traders, who have
disrupted management of the Funds and whose activity has resulted in
increased costs to participants.

DATES: This interim rule is effective January 7, 2008.

ADDRESSES: Comments may be sent to Thomas K. Emswiler, General Counsel,
Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board, 1250 H Street, NW.,
Washington, DC 20005. The Agency's Fax number is (202) 942-1676.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Tracey Ray on (202) 942-1665.

SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: The Agency administers the TSP, which was
established by the Federal Employees' Retirement System Act of 1986
(FERSA), Public Law 99-335, 100 Stat. 514. The TSP provisions of FERSA
are codified, as amended, largely at 5 U.S.C. 8351 and 8401-79. The TSP
is a tax-deferred retirement savings plan for Federal civilian
employees and members of the uniformed services. The TSP is similar to
cash or deferred arrangements established for private-sector employees
under section 401(k) of the Internal Revenue Code (26 U.S.C. 401(k)).

Interfund Transfer Requests

The Agency is amending its regulations pertaining to interfund
transfers. While most private-sector defined contribution plans, record
keepers and/or investment managers, e.g., Vanguard, Federated, ING,
Janus, and Royce, have adopted policies designed to limit frequent
trading, the Agency currently places no limit on its participants
regarding the number or frequency of interfund transfers.
Recently, however, this policy has been called into question as
excessive trading caused costs borne by TSP participants to more than
double from 2005 to 2006 (from $6.7 million in 2005 to $15 million in
2006), and this pattern of frequent trading has continued in 2007.
These costs, which have resulted largely from the activities of
approximately 3,000 of the TSP's 3.8 million participants, increase
expenses for all TSP participants. In 2006, the unrestricted trading in
the I Fund resulted in trades of $12 billion of securities with
associated trading costs of $13.8 million or 8 basis points ($.80 per
$1,000); nearly three times the TSP's net administrative expense of 3
basis points ($.30 per $1,000).
Because the Board and Executive Director have a fiduciary duty to
manage the TSP prudently, for the exclusive purpose of providing
benefits to participants and their beneficiaries and defraying
reasonable expenses of administering the Thrift Savings Fund, the
Agency must respond to this abusive and costly investment activity. 5
U.S.C. 8477(b).
As mentioned, the Agency studied the policies of other funds as
well as regulatory guidance from the Securities and Exchange Commission
(SEC). Vanguard, for example, limits its participants to one repurchase
every sixty days, and the SEC recommends that, under certain
circumstances, plans charge trading fees. Other investment vehicles
limit participants to a fixed number of trades per year or charge fees
on certain redemptions.
The Agency desires to stop this excessive trading immediately and
also, after continued analysis, to design an interfund transfer policy
that provides for administrative efficiency, investment flexibility,
retirement security, as well as reduced trading costs.
To that end, in the near term, the Agency is adopting a regulation
to grant the Executive Director the authority to notify the small
percentage of participants who are driving up costs through their
excessive trading and request that they cease their practices.
Otherwise, these participants will be required to request interfund
transfers by mail. It is the Agency's hope that this swift and direct
action will inform such participants of the unreasonable expenses
associated with their trading and persuade them to voluntarily curb
their trading, thereby curtailing the excessive trading costs borne by
all participants who hold the C, F, S, I, and L Funds.
Further, upon continued inquiry, including an analysis of the
actions that can be taken on an automated basis, the Agency likely will
amend its regulations (via a separate publication in the Federal
Register) to permit two interfund transfers per calendar month with
subsequent unlimited interfund transfers only into the G Fund. The
Agency believes this policy, when compared to others adopted in the
private sector, provides the desired level of administrative
simplicity, investment flexibility and security, and control over
excessive trading.

Regulatory Flexibility Act

I certify that these regulations will not have a significant
economic impact on a substantial number of small entities. They will
affect only employees of the Federal Government.

Paperwork Reduction Act

I certify that these regulations do not require additional
reporting under the criteria of the Paperwork Reduction Act.

Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995

Pursuant to the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995, 2 U.S.C. 602,
632, 653, 1501-1571, the effects of this regulation on State, local,
and tribal governments and the private sector have been assessed. This
regulation will not compel the expenditure in any one year of $100
million or more by State, local, and tribal governments, in the
aggregate, or by the private sector. Therefore, a statement under Sec.
1532 is not required.

Submission to Congress and the General Accounting Office

Pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 810(a)(1)(A), the Agency submitted a report
containing this rule and other required information

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to the U.S. Senate, the U.S. House of Representatives, and the
Comptroller General of the United States before publication of this
rule in the Federal Register. This rule is not a major rule as defined
at 5 U.S.C. 814(2).

List of Subjects in 5 CFR Part 1601

Government employees, Pensions, Retirement.

Gregory T. Long,
Executive Director, Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board.

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For the reasons set forth in the preamble, the Agency amends 5 CFR
chapter VI as follows:

PART 1601--PARTICIPANTS' CHOICES OF TSP FUNDS

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1. The authority citation for part 1601 continues to read as follows:

Authority: 5 U.S.C. 8351, 8438, 8474(b)(5) and (c)(1).

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2. Amend Sec. 1601.32, by revising paragraph (b) to read as follows:


Sec. 1601.32 Timing and Posting Dates.

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(b) Limit. There is no limit on the number of contribution
allocation or interfund transfer requests that may be made by a
participant. In order to mitigate excessive trading expenses, the
Executive Director may write to any participant who engages in
excessive trading and ask the participant to stop this practice. If the
participant continues to engage in excessive trading, the participant
may be required to request interfund transfers by mail.

[FR Doc. E7-25007 Filed 12-26-07; 8:45 am]

BILLING CODE 6760-01-P
 
I understand the point about the post office inspections of hard copy mail, however, a neat, legible, handwritten (not typed) letter is still worth 100 emails and gets their attention. They get thousands of emails daily and the "delete" and "print" buttons are easier than having to open and sort thousands of envelopes, so of course they prefer email. If you think using snail-mail is too slow or a bad idea, fax is still better than email. At least with a fax you can get an instant acknowledgement of receipt by their office.

I agree. I think FAX is probably best and perhaps sending thru the post office at the same time with a duplicate. Who knows, the guy I talked to might have just wanted to dissuade me from adding to his work load. I never got a response to my email, by the way.
 
JAMES & OTHERS

EXCELLENT NEWSLETTER

A job well done.

their should be no retreat or surrender when the tsp board throws lemons at us,not one step... no retreat...keep pressing forward to our goal.. freedom of inter fund transfers and ITS Y/OUR MONEY.........
 
I read the newsletter and it seems to me that its pretty stunning that the TSP board can just throw away a $350 million investment (not to mention how much it would cost to change the software to accept 2 transfers a month) just based on Tracey Ray's advice. That's taxpayer money being wasted not private funds. I would think that some kind of impartial cost analysis by trained accountants would be warranted before throwing away that much of an investment. Especially since its pretty much agreed that the TSP is one of the best systems around. IMHO, I think Congress needs to hold hearings before throwing away a $350 million dollar investment.
 
Where the heck is the Dec 26 Newsletter? I go to tspshareholder.org, check Newsletters and just see a list of Dec 15 newsletters.

IF you don't see the December 26th newsletter, try hitting the "refresh" button. That might be it.

So, it looks like the feedback is postive on the latest newsletter?
 
Never give in. Period. Never give up. Period.

There is NO LIMIT imposed at this time, and it is up to US to change the future.

We CAN change the future.

Never, never, never, never, never give in.


P.S.- Last newsletter was good.

The next newsletter will be better. It's got hotlinks to audio quotes from TSP staff, and you can tell they are beginning to feel the heat.

Never, never, never, never, never, never give up.

Winston Churchill said that. And he was right.

James, just read the Dec. 26 Newsletter. RIGHT ON THE MONEY!! Excellent work, if I was a TSP Member and knew nothing about the PROBLEM with the Proposed rule change I definitely would be on our side after reading the Newsletter. Keep up the good work. Like my Dad used to say, when you're RIGHT you're RIGHT, NEVER GIVE UP!!! A PIT BULL mindset!
Norman:nuts:
 
FYI - When I talked to my senator's office (Senator Hutchison) a month or so ago (when this started), the person said they definitely preferred email. The web has a form for most of their offices that you type in directly (don't need their email address), limit of 10,000 characters if I remember right, the form will tell you when your limit is up.

You can still send mail thru the post office but because of the Anthrax scare, the person I talked to said it takes almost a month for them to get any hardcopy mail because of the requirements for all the mail to be inspected thoroughly.

My wife and I spent two hours writing our Senators and Congressmen, but more importantly, we wrote the Senate and House subcommittees who have oversight of the TSP and demanded subcommittee hearings.

When the Board starts getting inquiries from Congress and hears about possible hearings, we may get their attention. You may recall a few years back that TSP was hammered over management in these same committees!

I posted the committees and and their members in an earlier post.

We intend to write them again in 3 weeks time with different points. We limit are letter to 1 page.

If anybody has a the name, fax, email, address of Ms. Ray and also the external affairs guy, post it, I will write them also!
 
My wife and I spent two hours writing our Senators and Congressmen, but more importantly, we wrote the Senate and House subcommittees who have oversight of the TSP and demanded subcommittee hearings.

When the Board starts getting inquiries from Congress and hears about possible hearings, we may get their attention. You may recall a few years back that TSP was hammered over management in these same committees!

I posted the committees and and their members in an earlier post.

We intend to write them again in 3 weeks time with different points. We limit are letter to 1 page.

If anybody has a the name, fax, email, address of Ms. Ray and also the external affairs guy, post it, I will write them also!
 
It seems as though the folks at TSP have already made up their minds regarding the amount of TSP transactions one can make. My concern is for the individual's that pay for the premium services and how it will effect their transactions and limit the amount of return.


Never give in. Period. Never give up. Period.

There is NO LIMIT imposed at this time, and it is up to US to change the future.

We CAN change the future.

Never, never, never, never, never give in.


P.S.- Last newsletter was good.

The next newsletter will be better. It's got hotlinks to audio quotes from TSP staff, and you can tell they are beginning to feel the heat.

Never, never, never, never, never, never give up.

Winston Churchill said that. And he was right.
 
It seems as though the folks at TSP have already made up their minds regarding the amount of TSP transactions one can make. My concern is for the individual's that pay for the premium services and how it will effect their transactions and limit the amount of return.
 
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