What YOU can do to fight back - IFT limit

Ask your Union what they are doing about it. Look up your Union HQ's number and ask to talk to the Union President or VP.

Get them involved.. NOW!

Here is the FAX I just sent. I borrowed liberally from several folks who provided comments about this, earlier in this thread (thanks). Paladin, if you are out there, we could use your input on this also.....are we missing anything that might be important?
_________________________________________________________________
Dec. 28, 2007
Mr. Emswiler:

I am commenting on the proposed Interim Rule posted to the Federal Register (FR) by FRTIB on Dec. 27, 2007. The FR Document number is E7-25007, and this rule pertains to 5 CFR Part 1601 – Participants Choices of TSP Funds.

This notice is invalid for several reasons and should be withdrawn. It does not meet the requirements of the Administrative Procedures Act or the Regulatory Flexibility Act. It does not meet the requirements of "emergency rulemaking" (nor does it state that it is an emergency rule) so can't bypass the NPRM process. I have summarized these regulations below:
___________________________________________________________________
”A notice of proposed rulemaking or NPRM is issued by law when a regulatory agency of the United States Federal Government wishes to add, remove, or change a rule (or regulation) as part of the rulemaking process.
NPRM procedure is required and defined by the Administrative Procedure Act. The Constitution does not require NPRM. Rather, Congress created the requirement to enlighten agencies--that is, to force them to listen to comments and concerns of people who the regulation will likely affect.

The NPRM is published in the Federal Register and typically gives 60 days for public comment from any interested party, and an additional 30 days for reply comments. Original comments may still be filed in the reply comments window. While this is the normal method of agency rulemaking, emergency rulemaking is allowed to bypass the NPRM process.

About Notices of Proposed Rulemaking: (a) Each notice of proposed rulemaking is published in the Federal Register, unless all persons subject to it are named and are personally served with a copy of it.
(b) Each notice, whether published in the Federal Register or personally served, includes:
  1. A statement of the time, place, and nature of the proposed rulemaking proceeding;
  2. A reference to the authority under which it is issued;
  3. A description of the subjects and issues involved or the substance and terms of the proposed regulation;
  4. A statement of the time within which written comments must be submitted; and
  5. A statement of how and to what extent interested persons may participate in the proceeding.” ______________________________________________________________
I note that Item #4 above was not met – the Notice does not state the time period within which written comments must be submitted (stating that the Rule will be effective on January 7, 2008, is not the same as defining a comment period).
Further, I object to the fact that this proposed interim rule was published between the Christmas and New Year’s holidays, when many Federal employees are on leave and unaware of this action
Further, I object to the fact that you have not provided a means to provide comments electronically, via an internet-based comment window, in response to this proposal. It is common practice to all for comments on proposals such as this via such a comment window attached to the rule; to not do so is unreasonable, and gives the appearance that FRTIB is attempting to minimize the number of comments received.
Further, the proposed rule does not contain a clear, impartial and transparent way of how the Board identifies the 3000 TSP members that they are proposing to send the letter to; therefore it could easily be misused and arbitrary. Before any such letters are sent, there needs to be a very clear set of criteria that need to be demonstrated for each of the Fed Employee that the Board proposes to send a letter to.
Finally, the statements that the regulations…. “will not have a significant economic impact on a substantial number or small entities. They will affect only employees of the Federal Government”….are incorrect. Federal retirees are also impacted by this proposed regulation, and the proposed regulation certainly WILL HAVE a significant economic impact on at least some TSP participants.
I also do not agree with the basic premise outlined for the necessity of this Interim Rule. The FRTIB has not provided a complete accounting of TSP expenses, including trading expenses, so that a fair and objective evaluation can be made as to the degree that overall TSP expenses are changing. The conclusion that some 3,000 frequent traders are causing TSP expenses to spike, is speculative and unsupported, based upon the data provided to date. This Interim Rule will lead to severe restrictions on the ability of TSP participants to manage their retirement funds. Such a drastic change is unwarranted without a much more detailed and thorough examination of the data on TSP expenses, and also an examination of a range of alternatives for addressing this (perceived) problem, if a problem is even identified.
The existing rule allowing unlimited interfund transfers, which could be made via letter, via internet (TSP website), or via the Thriftline, was put in place several years ago to allow TSP participants the flexibility to manage their retirement funds as they see fit. It is a fundamental part of the process for managing one’s TSP account, and was heralded at the time by TSP as a great improvement to the system. The justification provided by FRTIB to date for modifying this rule is clearly insufficient for making such a severe change. Until a much more complete accounting of TSP expenses is provided, and alternative solutions to any perceived problems are explored (including soliciting input from TSP members), this proposal must be withdrawn. Further, no letters should be sent to so-called frequent traders warning them of impending restrictions on their ability to make interfund transfers.
For all of the reasons cited above, I hereby request that this Interim Rule be withdrawn.

Sncerely,
XXXXXXXX
 
James:

If This Action Is Illegal Or Could Be Illegal, Can We Not Appeal This To The Solicitor General Or Comptroller General?
 
FAXED just now:


Reference Federal Register notice, FR Doc. E7-25007 Filed 12-26-07; 8:45 am

Dear Sirs:

Please do not invoke trade limits. Your math is wrong. How much do you think you can save by limiting trades?

More than 2,500 people have already signed the petition at http://tspshareholder.org, telling you that this is WRONG. IN addition, your federal register notice says this will only affect federal employees. This is wrong.
It will affect retirees, U.S. Military service members, as well. And it will affect their spouses and families.

And, contrary to your notice, it WILL affect a substanital number of small entities.
There are 3.8 million shareholders. And there are now dozens of investment conselors and financial professionals, who advise TSP Share Holders about their holdings. Your notice will adversely affect the sales and business of MANY small entities, if the client they support can no longer make moves based on their advice. The affect will be to put many out of business.

Your "Interim Rule" also does not meet the legal requirements of the Administrative Procedures Act, in that there is NO EMERGENCY, and this "Interim Rule" violates 5 USC section 553.

You have not given the legally required 30 day comment period and notice of proposed rule making;

Your rule amounts to a "sanction" against certain participants in the TSP. Under 5 USC Section 558, you may not sanction without conducting a public hearing on the matter, and obtaining public input.

Please retract your Federal Register notice.
Sincerely,

JAMES: THIS IS VERY GOOD STUFF. I AM GOING TO ASK OUR ADMINISTRATIVE LAW ATTORNEY TO LOOK THIS OVER FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.
 
Ask your Union what they are doing about it. Look up your Union HQ's number and ask to talk to the Union President or VP.

Get them involved.. NOW!
 
Call your Union, if you are lucky enough to have one.

Demand that they start to pay attention.

Demand that they fight back.

(P.S.- YOU are the Union. I have been in contact with my Union president, and am trying to be delegated as the Union's lead person on this fight.).
 
It's obvious to me that no member of the TSP Board wishes to have his or her judgment questioned. The minutes of their meetings and their interviews indicate they are nothing more than pseudo-politicians interested in taking credit for the low administrative costs of the TSP and yet when they find that trading costs MAY (and I use this term with all due caution) be increasing ever so slightly, they choose to single out participants who are doing nothing more than using the TSP in a way that is perfectly legitimate -- a way that some of these board members OK'd not so long ago.

This sort of quasi-procedural end run around the democratic process is a real red flag and will be pointed out in the class action lawsuit that I'm sure is coming from our numbers. I have sent the letters and e-mails (not as many as most of you mind you but some) and I applaud everyone's effort and I'm sure there is more we all can do. But up against this type of opposition and their tactics, I imagine that we will have to do something I personally detest and that is line the pockets of lawyers on both sides of the argument. It's a shame that it will probably come to this. Just my 2cents. Please let me know when the lawyers are asking for their retainers. ** I haven't given up I just smell a rat with their method of operation and I think we all saw this coming.**

I agree with you that they are using underhanded tactics. Maybe we should also call for an independent audit to really get to basics. If they would be this "political" about the announcement WHAT ELSE are they manulipating? We have asked for 'proof' of these alleged price increases but they have yet to provide them. Maybe we can find lawyers who work on contingency and make the the govt pay the costs when they lose?
 
Sorry to say it but it is clear the TSP needs new management. The board and senior staff is not serving their customers, following regulations, or treating their customers with respect.

They are blaming systemic problems on a minority of the population, using them (us) as a scape goat to avoid looking for, and solving the systemic problems.

Just what about a poll that has 90% of the customers/respondents saying there actions are a bad idea don't they understand?


Yes, well said.
 
It's obvious to me that no member of the TSP Board wishes to have his or her judgment questioned. The minutes of their meetings and their interviews indicate they are nothing more than pseudo-politicians interested in taking credit for the low administrative costs of the TSP and yet when they find that trading costs MAY (and I use this term with all due caution) be increasing ever so slightly, they choose to single out participants who are doing nothing more than using the TSP in a way that is perfectly legitimate -- a way that some of these board members OK'd not so long ago.

This sort of quasi-procedural end run around the democratic process is a real red flag and will be pointed out in the class action lawsuit that I'm sure is coming from our numbers. I have sent the letters and e-mails (not as many as most of you mind you but some) and I applaud everyone's effort and I'm sure there is more we all can do. But up against this type of opposition and their tactics, I imagine that we will have to do something I personally detest and that is line the pockets of lawyers on both sides of the argument. It's a shame that it will probably come to this. Just my 2cents. Please let me know when the lawyers are asking for their retainers. ** I haven't given up I just smell a rat with their method of operation and I think we all saw this coming.**
 
Sorry to say it but it is clear the TSP needs new management. The board and senior staff is not serving their customers, following regulations, or treating their customers with respect.

They are blaming systemic problems on a minority of the population, using them (us) as a scape goat to avoid looking for, and solving the systemic problems.

Just what about a poll that has 90% of the customers/respondents saying there actions are a bad idea don't they understand?
 
Leslie is not available at the Senate Committee. You can try (202) 224-4751. It is after 6 PM here and I got to go back to work!
 
This is a great letter. I would also add that the proposed rule does not contain a clear, impartial and transparent way of how the Board identifies the 3000 that they are sending the letter to, therefore it could be misused and arbitrary. At the very least, there needs to be a very clear set of criteria that need to be demonstrated for each of the Fed Empl that the Board is sending the letter to. This will put the burden on the board to demonstrate the case for EACH and EVERY employee who will receive a letter.

I have sent the following email to the House Committee on Government Reform which has TSP overshight. I can;t do it all myself so I would suggest someone contact the Senate Government Affairs Committee by phone: Senate Community on Homeland Security and Government Affiars, Leslie Phillips Communications Director(202) 224-2627. THis is the only number I could find and would be a starting point.

This TSP ambush was timed to avoid Congressional oversight since they do not come back until the day the rule goes into effect.

Here is a sanitized version of the email I sent. The word IMPORTANT must be in the subject line.

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:50 PM
To: tania.shand@mail.house.gov
Subject: IMPORTANT
Importance: High

Ms. Shand:

I called the committee and they told me to contact you. I am a U.S. federal employee stationed overseas. My phone number is 011-49-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. I also have a internet phone at 1-XXX-XXX-XXXX..

I am alarmed that my federal retirement plan administrator at the Federal Thrift Savings Board has proposed emergency rules that take effect almost immediately (January 7th) with no coordination with the Congress. This move could cost thousand of federal employees huge losses in their federally managed retirement accounts. It affects the entire federal workforce and our military men and women in the United States military.

Most importantly, they are singling out a minority of participants for “special treatment.” This abuse of the federal rule making process with no oversight by Congress is unacceptable and smacks of dictatorship. This affects tens of thousands of people and it also restricts members of the United States military. The Thrift Savings Plan is the federal equivalent of a conventional 401K plan and is one of the largest retirement funds in the world worth billions of dollars.

See:
[Federal Register: December 27, 2007 (Volume 72, Number 247)]
[Rules and Regulations]
[Page 73251-73252]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:fr27de07-1]

I would appreciate your help.

Although I am 6 hours ahead of Eastern time, I am available to discuss this issue with you.

Regards,

(NAME)
Federal employee of the United States Army proudly serving overseas.
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Suggest you send something similar by email......
 
I have sent the following email to the House Committee on Government Reform which has TSP overshight. I can;t do it all myself so I would suggest someone contact the Senate Government Affairs Committee by phone: Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affiars, Leslie Phillips Communications Director(202) 224-2627. THis is the only number I could find and would be a starting point.

This TSP ambush was timed to avoid Congressional oversight since they do not come back until the day the rule goes into effect.

Here is a sanitized version of the email I sent. The word IMPORTANT must be in the subject line.

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:50 PM
To: tania.shand@mail.house.gov
Subject: IMPORTANT
Importance: High

Ms. Shand:

I called the committee and they told me to contact you. I am a U.S. federal employee stationed overseas. My phone number is 011-49-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. I also have a internet phone at 1-XXX-XXX-XXXX..

I am alarmed that my federal retirement plan administrator at the Federal Thrift Savings Board has proposed emergency rules that take effect almost immediately (January 7th) with no coordination with the Congress. This move could cost thousand of federal employees huge losses in their federally managed retirement accounts. It affects the entire federal workforce and our military men and women in the United States military.

Most importantly, they are singling out a minority of participants for “special treatment.” This abuse of the federal rule making process with no oversight by Congress is unacceptable and smacks of dictatorship. This affects tens of thousands of people and it also restricts members of the United States military. The Thrift Savings Plan is the federal equivalent of a conventional 401K plan and is one of the largest retirement funds in the world worth billions of dollars.

See:
[Federal Register: December 27, 2007 (Volume 72, Number 247)]
[Rules and Regulations]
[Page 73251-73252]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:fr27de07-1]

I would appreciate your help.

Although I am 6 hours ahead of Eastern time, I am available to discuss this issue with you.

Regards,

(NAME)
Federal employee of the United States Army proudly serving overseas.
-------------------
Suggest you send something similar by email......
 
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I HAVE CALLED THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM. ISN't IT ODD THAT THEY ARE CLOSED UNTIL THE VERY DAY THIS TEMPORARY RULE TAKES AFFECT??!!!!

WHAT AN AMBUSH! TRYING TO AVOID CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT!

HOWEVER IN AN EMERGENCY, YOU CAN SEND AN EMAIL TO A STAFFER THAT MAY BE HELPFUL.

I AM TRACKING THAT NOW.

STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR's LOCAL OFFICE IMMEDIATELY.
 
FAXED just now:


Reference Federal Register notice, FR Doc. E7-25007 Filed 12-26-07; 8:45 am

Dear Sirs:

Please do not invoke trade limits. Your math is wrong. How much do you think you can save by limiting trades?

More than 2,500 people have already signed the petition at http://tspshareholder.org, telling you that this is WRONG. IN addition, your federal register notice says this will only affect federal employees. This is wrong.
It will affect retirees, U.S. Military service members, as well. And it will affect their spouses and families.

And, contrary to your notice, it WILL affect a substanital number of small entities.
There are 3.8 million shareholders. And there are now dozens of investment conselors and financial professionals, who advise TSP Share Holders about their holdings. Your notice will adversely affect the sales and business of MANY small entities, if the client they support can no longer make moves based on their advice. The affect will be to put many out of business.

Your "Interim Rule" also does not meet the legal requirements of the Administrative Procedures Act, in that there is NO EMERGENCY, and this "Interim Rule" violates 5 USC section 553.

You have not given the legally required 30 day comment period and notice of proposed rule making;

Your rule amounts to a "sanction" against certain participants in the TSP. Under 5 USC Section 558, you may not sanction without conducting a public hearing on the matter, and obtaining public input.

Please retract your Federal Register notice.
Sincerely,
 
They have violated the Adminstrative Procedures Act- 5 USC 533:
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Administrative Procedure Act
  • UNITED STATES CODE
    • TITLE 5 - GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION AND EMPLOYEES
      • PART I - THE AGENCIES GENERALLY
        • CHAPTER 5 - ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE
          • SUBCHAPTER II - ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE
§ 553. Rule making
(a) This section applies, according to the provisions thereof, except to the extent that there is involved -
(1) a military or foreign affairs function of the United States; or​
(2) a matter relating to agency management or personnel or to public property, loans, grants, benefits, or contracts.​

(b) General notice of proposed rule making shall be published in the Federal Register, unless persons subject thereto are named and either personally served or otherwise have actual notice thereof in accordance with law. The notice shall include -
(1) a statement of the time, place, and nature of public rule making proceedings;
(2) reference to the legal authority under which the rule is proposed; and​
(3) either the terms or substance of the proposed rule or a description of the subjects and issues involved.​
Except when notice or hearing is required by statute, this subsection does not apply -
(A) to interpretative rules, general statements of policy, or rules of agency organization, procedure, or practice; or​
(B) when the agency for good cause finds (and incorporates the finding and a brief statement of reasons therefore in the rules issued) that notice and public procedure thereon are impracticable, unnecessary, or contrary to the public interest.​
(c) After notice required by this section, the agency shall give interested persons an opportunity to participate in the rule making through submission of written data, views, or arguments with or without opportunity for oral presentation. After consideration of the relevant matter presented, the agency shall incorporate in the rules adopted a concise general statement of their basis and purpose. When rules are required by statute to be made on the record after opportunity for an agency hearing, sections 556 and 557 of this title apply instead of this subsection.
(d) The required publication or service of a substantive rule shall be made not less than 30 days before its effective date, except -
(1) a substantive rule which grants or recognizes an exemption or relieves a restriction;​
(2) interpretative rules and statements of policy; or​
(3) as otherwise provided by the agency for good cause found and published with the rule.​
(e) Each agency shall give an interested person the right to petition for the issuance, amendment, or repeal of a rule.​
 
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