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Tspgo_com Account Talk
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I don't mean to pick on tspgo because I'm sure he is not the only one, but for the record [FundSurfer], tspgo's effective date is actually the COB price. He doesn't do it like I do (or as the rules state). :shock:
I don't know which is best and I don't know how many people are doing it which way, but we need some consistency for those tracking us.
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I don't mean to pick on tspgo because I'm sure he is not the only one, but for the record [FundSurfer], tspgo's effective date is actually the COB price. He doesn't do it like I do (or as the rules state). :shock:
I don't know which is best and I don't know how many people are doing it which way, but we need some consistency for those tracking us.
[url]http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/forum21/91.html[/url]
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tsptalk wrote:
And I thought I was just beginning to catch on.
Between 'effective date' and 'COB' day
AND between entering data on 'effective date' vs. 'date sold'
AND between which excel template to use for each of the data entering methods,
I DON'T THINK I'LL EVER CATCH ON!
tsptalk wrote:
I don't mean to pick on tspgo because I'm sure he is not the only one, but for the record [FundSurfer], tspgo's effective date is actually the COB price. He doesn't do it like I do (or as the rules state). :shock:
I don't know which is best and I don't know how many people are doing it which way, but we need some consistency for those tracking us.
[url]http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/forum21/91.html[/url]
Between 'effective date' and 'COB' day
AND between entering data on 'effective date' vs. 'date sold'
AND between which excel template to use for each of the data entering methods,
I DON'T THINK I'LL EVER CATCH ON!
pyriel
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tspgo_com wrote:
I think he meant "Position request effective on 04-13-05." I actually track his new position (G = 0 F=5 C= 35 S= 20 I = 40) for cob 4/14/05.
I like that he entersthe date and time of his actual IFT request. This tells me that his request will not go in until 1200 est 4/13/05.
tspgo_com wrote:
Semantics maybe?
I think he meant "Position request effective on 04-13-05." I actually track his new position (G = 0 F=5 C= 35 S= 20 I = 40) for cob 4/14/05.
I like that he entersthe date and time of his actual IFT request. This tells me that his request will not go in until 1200 est 4/13/05.
Show-me
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tspgo_com wrote:
tspgo sold/bought at the 12th closing price making it effective on the close of the 12th but for tracking on the open of the 13th.
Maybe it would be easier to just post new allocation only and use the time and date of the post header.
tspgo_com wrote:
My .02 is that by looking at the time of his post I would say that he made the IFT the morning of the 12th making the position effective cob the 12th.
tspgo sold/bought at the 12th closing price making it effective on the close of the 12th but for tracking on the open of the 13th.
Maybe it would be easier to just post new allocation only and use the time and date of the post header.
grandma
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tspgo_com wrote:
Would it be better if he stays up until after midnight to post so it is dated the day of the cob?
I'm not understanding the difference between `cob' and `effective' - Don't the IFT's take effect AT the Close of Business -? -today if before noon, tomorrow if After noon. ?? We got credited/debited on Tuesday -12th - at 1600 for whatever was IFT'd after the noon hourMonday and before the noon hour Tuesday.
Suppose we were able to wait until the last minute -1600-to make an entry. It would be the same way. Anything before 1600 would get their money (lose?) right then; if entered at 1601 it waits for the next 1600 to find out the closing prices.
...at least that's the way I've been playing the game - :^
Thank you for your kind attention - grandma
(w_w - I keep coming up red x's when I try to sign off -??)
tspgo_com wrote:
tspgo entered an ITF at 2200 on 4/12 - Tuesday. It was entered After the noon hour so that makes it an entry for Wednesday 4/13.
Would it be better if he stays up until after midnight to post so it is dated the day of the cob?
I'm not understanding the difference between `cob' and `effective' - Don't the IFT's take effect AT the Close of Business -? -today if before noon, tomorrow if After noon. ?? We got credited/debited on Tuesday -12th - at 1600 for whatever was IFT'd after the noon hourMonday and before the noon hour Tuesday.
Suppose we were able to wait until the last minute -1600-to make an entry. It would be the same way. Anything before 1600 would get their money (lose?) right then; if entered at 1601 it waits for the next 1600 to find out the closing prices.
...at least that's the way I've been playing the game - :^
Thank you for your kind attention - grandma
(w_w - I keep coming up red x's when I try to sign off -??)
pyriel
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tsptalk wrote:
Am I off the wall here?I feel funny talking about this from the master who designed the TSP tracker.
tsptalk wrote:
There are more to it than that actually. At cob 4/13/05 he will get the cob share price for his previous post. Once the cob share price is allocated, it then gets transferred to the new allocation (Individual IFT will show two column; old and new allocation). So in a way, you are right about your oob analogy. However, as far as getting the % for TSP tracker that you designed,that oob doesn't really get tracked because the closing prices for 4/14/05 is what we put in to track the new allocation.pyriel wrote:Why cob 4/14/05? I'd say more like oob (open of business) 4/14/05
Am I off the wall here?I feel funny talking about this from the master who designed the TSP tracker.
tspgo_com
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It is not my objective to create confusion. I just need to be consistent. Let me explain:
At 10:00 pm on 04-12-05, I submitted an IFT order to TSP to change my allocation as follows: G = 0 F=5 C= 35 S= 20 I = 40. This order when in before noon on 04-13-05 therefore the evening of 04-13-05, I will receive an e-mail from TSP stating that it was effective on 04-13-05. It means I purchased my shares at today (04-13-05) closing price.
For the spreadsheet it would be the same as saying that I went G = 0 F=5 C= 35 S= 20 I = 40 before 12:00 noon on 04-13-05.
As for the tracking my transactions with the spreadsheet, I am really grateful and indebted to Pyriel and FundSurfer for their help, their time and patience in entering my transactions in their spreadsheets. Although I was not able to match my actual cash value % gain with the spreadsheets, I decided to use their spreadsheets under the axiom that all factors being equal is not an advantage. I mean that if the spreadsheet adds or takes away, let’s say .5% for argument sake, it does it across the board. In other words, if the spreadsheet adds or takes away the same from everybody then the results, for analytical purposes, will be the same.
The answer why I do not enter my transactions on the same day I am expecting it to be effective is very simple. I usually update my website (http://www.tspgo.com) at night after the share prices are posted in the TSP website. Signals to buy or sell are generated by that day closing prices. For reasons that might be obvious to some of us, I don’t want to use a computer at workto enter my IFT’s transactions. I ratherdo it at home. Also, the system might bedown at work or I might not have access to my computer when I need it. So why takethe risk of not being able to enter my transaction at work when I can do it safely at home?
God bless you all!
It is not my objective to create confusion. I just need to be consistent. Let me explain:
At 10:00 pm on 04-12-05, I submitted an IFT order to TSP to change my allocation as follows: G = 0 F=5 C= 35 S= 20 I = 40. This order when in before noon on 04-13-05 therefore the evening of 04-13-05, I will receive an e-mail from TSP stating that it was effective on 04-13-05. It means I purchased my shares at today (04-13-05) closing price.
For the spreadsheet it would be the same as saying that I went G = 0 F=5 C= 35 S= 20 I = 40 before 12:00 noon on 04-13-05.
As for the tracking my transactions with the spreadsheet, I am really grateful and indebted to Pyriel and FundSurfer for their help, their time and patience in entering my transactions in their spreadsheets. Although I was not able to match my actual cash value % gain with the spreadsheets, I decided to use their spreadsheets under the axiom that all factors being equal is not an advantage. I mean that if the spreadsheet adds or takes away, let’s say .5% for argument sake, it does it across the board. In other words, if the spreadsheet adds or takes away the same from everybody then the results, for analytical purposes, will be the same.
The answer why I do not enter my transactions on the same day I am expecting it to be effective is very simple. I usually update my website (http://www.tspgo.com) at night after the share prices are posted in the TSP website. Signals to buy or sell are generated by that day closing prices. For reasons that might be obvious to some of us, I don’t want to use a computer at workto enter my IFT’s transactions. I ratherdo it at home. Also, the system might bedown at work or I might not have access to my computer when I need it. So why takethe risk of not being able to enter my transaction at work when I can do it safely at home?
God bless you all!
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pyriel wrote:
I know I do it differently than tsp.gov but it makes more sense to me. Maybe it's just me.
If someone tells me they are 100% G but will be100% Cfund effective 3/14, and the S&P 500 is down 1% on the 14th, I'd say theyhad a bad day. If you do ittsp.gov (and tspgo's) way, that didn't even effect your account.They would have still been in the G fund on the 14th. That's more confusing to me.
Tom :*
pyriel wrote:
In my spreadsheet, I would put the COB share price of 4/13 for the old allocation, then start a new line for the new allocation on the 14th.tsptalk wrote:There are more to it than that actually. At cob 4/13/05 he will get the cob share price for his previous post. Once the cob share price is allocated, it then gets transferred to the new allocation (Individual IFT will show two column; old and new allocation). So in a way, you are right about your oob analogy. However, as far as getting the % for TSP tracker that you designed,that oob doesn't really get tracked because the closing prices for 4/14/05 is what we put in to track the new allocation.pyriel wrote:Why cob 4/14/05? I'd say more like oob (open of business) 4/14/05
Am I off the wall here?I feel funny talking about this from the master who designed the TSP tracker.
I know I do it differently than tsp.gov but it makes more sense to me. Maybe it's just me.
If someone tells me they are 100% G but will be100% Cfund effective 3/14, and the S&P 500 is down 1% on the 14th, I'd say theyhad a bad day. If you do ittsp.gov (and tspgo's) way, that didn't even effect your account.They would have still been in the G fund on the 14th. That's more confusing to me.
Tom :*
tspgo_com
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tsptalk wrote:
Reality is that today I bought S-Fund at 14.06. If it goes up tomorrow I'll make money. If goes down I'll lose money.
I'll be in Travel Duty Status until 4-19-05. I might not be able to post until then.
Thank you good luck to all.
TSPGO!
tsptalk wrote:
I think what it is important is the time and date the request is submittedto TSP.gov. That can be determined by the date stamp on the post. I think we all know what happens whena request is submitted before noon on a particular day.If we ever resolve this tspgo, I'll delete these posts and give you your forum back.
Reality is that today I bought S-Fund at 14.06. If it goes up tomorrow I'll make money. If goes down I'll lose money.
I'll be in Travel Duty Status until 4-19-05. I might not be able to post until then.
Thank you good luck to all.
TSPGO!
tspgo_com
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I have been gone for a couple of days and ... what a mess.
Low Risk: Excellent opportunity to buy 100% C
If new to the 5-5-10 Rule: Wait to buy C-S and I
If already in: wait to sell F-C-S-I. Watch the F-Fund carefully. Expecting a sell signal this week.
Updated charts at http://www.tspgo.com
Good Luck to all.
TSPGO!
I have been gone for a couple of days and ... what a mess.
Low Risk: Excellent opportunity to buy 100% C
If new to the 5-5-10 Rule: Wait to buy C-S and I
If already in: wait to sell F-C-S-I. Watch the F-Fund carefully. Expecting a sell signal this week.
Updated charts at http://www.tspgo.com
Good Luck to all.
TSPGO!
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I got a question TSPGO? Do you use your system like a buy and hold and have so much that you stick in each account when your system says to? How do you determine how much to stick in each fund? Just like whiskey give it to me straight. My thought is if I believe in something I make a move and take it. 5% in the F fund doesn't seem like much of a commitment. When I got hitched I thought I was only commiting 5% of the time but then she told me otherwise.
I got a question TSPGO? Do you use your system like a buy and hold and have so much that you stick in each account when your system says to? How do you determine how much to stick in each fund? Just like whiskey give it to me straight. My thought is if I believe in something I make a move and take it. 5% in the F fund doesn't seem like much of a commitment. When I got hitched I thought I was only commiting 5% of the time but then she told me otherwise.
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