TNA Trading Challenge

[burrocrat]

has anybody considered representing the nueral network in the universal language instead of that stupid math? like a game of strip poker? that way everybody could see what everybody else gots instead of all these complicated calculations?

everybody could start out wearing say, 11 articles of clothing because that's a lucky number: jacket, shirt, undershirt, tie, belt, slacks, shorts, 2 wingtips, and 2 black hose. (that's 'hose' not ho's you freaks).

if a girl wants to play then it would only be fair to let them start with 12, an even dozen. not to discriminate or favor, just that they might need a little extra support up top. it's still a win win for every body. it'd be like playing hangman or wheel of fortune, except for nekked. oh vanna, pick me a letter,

that's how i would run this game if i wasn't already busy trying to keep my ark from dashing on the rocks.

also, i would collect a cover charge at the door.

food for thought.

 

[userque]

You seem to enjoy pointing out other people's mistakes way too much...

And actually I didn't calculate anything wrong. I intentionally did not include the compounding of interest. My 'error' was in assuming compounding could be ignored, which I openly admitted... no one accounts for compounding interest just for the fun of it. I've never in my life seen compounding interest impact a rate of return by a factor of 10 within a years time.

I mean... did you account for inflation in your calculation? Why not? because it makes the equations more complicated than necessary? I rest my case...

and seriously... who cares? you keep insisting on highlighting the small technicalities when the entire point was to help...to suggest a better performance metric. Not to bicker back and forth about small details. Ironically, it seems your stubborn arrogance has mucked up your own thread pretty good. I was done after you posted the equation you used... then you insisted in trying to defame my intelligence in a very condescending manner.

I point out errors when one insists they are not errors. Yes, I enjoy that.

It is not my arrogance that has mucked up my thread. First, I don't mind the muck. Second, if defending myself against accusations is arrogance, then so be it.

I can't defame your intelligence, only you can do that. You and IT came here, remember? You and IT had all the answers, remember?

By the way, your point about you knowing how to compound interest, yet choosing not doing it because it was hard is well taken.

I didn't do inflation in annualizing the rate because the industry generally doesn't as well.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

Anyway, compounding interest is Math. Something EE's etc. take a lot of. And, as the record reflects: you got it wrong.

You seem to enjoy pointing out other people's mistakes way too much...

And actually I didn't calculate anything wrong. I intentionally did not include the compounding of interest. My 'error' was in assuming compounding could be ignored, which I openly admitted... no one accounts for compounding interest just for the fun of it. I've never in my life seen compounding interest impact a rate of return by a factor of 10 within a years time.

I mean... did you account for inflation in your calculation? Why not? because it makes the equations more complicated than necessary? I rest my case...

and seriously... who cares? you keep insisting on highlighting the small technicalities when the entire point was to help...to suggest a better performance metric. Not to bicker back and forth about small details. Ironically, it seems your stubborn arrogance has mucked up your own thread pretty good. I was done after you posted the equation you used... then you insisted in trying to defame my intelligence in a very condescending manner.

 

[userque]

Are you serious? Its a subscription... its not a cult. We don't have IT mass every Sunday morning (...its Wednesday). Have you never had a magazine subscription? or a subscription to anything for that matter? And no I wasn't joking. I can't remember your name being mentioned once in his premium threads... unless of course you are one of the bar tenders at TZA :laugh::laugh::laugh:


That's pretty selfish bro


While it has nothing to do with EE, I know how to compound interest...thanks :notrust:

Anyway, compounding interest is Math. Something EE's etc. take a lot of. And, as the record reflects: you got it wrong.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

Why? Because your a customer of his and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that you could, on your own or by request, take up his cause. Surely you're joking about IT not posting about me prior to me posting the list?

Are you serious? Its a subscription... its not a cult. We don't have IT mass every Sunday morning (...its Wednesday). Have you never had a magazine subscription? or a subscription to anything for that matter? And no I wasn't joking. I can't remember your name being mentioned once in his premium threads... unless of course you are one of the bar tenders at TZA :laugh::laugh::laugh:

To be honest, I don't care what Tom does with the premium members.

That's pretty selfish bro

I remember your interest and you stating you're an EE, etc. Which is why I was totally flabbergasted that you didn't know how to compound interest.

While it has nothing to do with EE, I know how to compound interest...thanks :notrust:

 

[userque]

That was my point. I capitalized those words mainly because one of my earlier posts I was talking about "invalidating" the mathematics... which that was what I was talking about. I just question the validity of using that formula when it is extrapolating (when # of days is < 1 year) for any type of performance metric, and I've never seen it used in this range before (although I can't say I've looked for it). I believe the rule of thumb is to not try to extrapolate beyond 50% of the period for which you have data; so in this case it would only be realistic to estimate out to day 30.



I'm not sure why... IT has not posted anything about you that I am aware of. Well... of course until you admitted to keeping a list of his members :laugh:. Don't mean to throw you under the bus, as its not all on you, but that stuff is the reason why Tom has had to make recent changes to the site.... like put the premium members onto a different autotracker.

And for the record, my first few posts in this thread, prior to things escalating, where entirely to give suggestions on how you may improve what you have going here. IDK if you remember but I showed interests way back when you first posted about neural networks. I'm an electrical engineer by profession. I've taken Calc 1, 2 & 3, linear algebra and Diffy Q's. I've done my time, so trust that I am not in that group that struggles with percentages :laugh:

And to Burrocrat... if I didn't worry about math, I wouldn't be very good at my job :nuts:

Why? Because you're a customer of his and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that you could, on your own or by request, take up his cause. Surely you're joking about IT not posting about me prior to me posting the list?

To be honest, I don't care what Tom does with the premium members.

I remember your interest and you stating you're an EE, etc. Which is why I was totally flabbergasted that you didn't know how to compound interest.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

The formula DOES extrapolate.

That was my point. I capitalized those words mainly because one of my earlier posts I was talking about "invalidating" the mathematics... which that was what I was talking about. I just question the validity of using that formula when it is extrapolating (when # of days is < 1 year) for any type of performance metric, and I've never seen it used in this range before (although I can't say I've looked for it). I believe the rule of thumb is to not try to extrapolate beyond 50% of the period for which you have data; so in this case it would only be realistic to estimate out to day 30.

The list was of recent Intrepid customers. I suspected you were here on his behalf.

I'm not sure why... IT has not posted anything about you that I am aware of. Well... of course until you admitted to keeping a list of his members :laugh:. Don't mean to throw you under the bus, as its not all on you, but that stuff is the reason why Tom has had to make recent changes to the site.... like put the premium members onto a different autotracker.

And for the record, my first few posts in this thread, prior to things escalating, where entirely to give suggestions on how you may improve what you have going here. IDK if you remember but I showed interests way back when you first posted about neural networks. I'm an electrical engineer by profession. I've taken Calc 1, 2 & 3, linear algebra and Diffy Q's. I've done my time, so trust that I am not in that group that struggles with percentages :laugh:

And to Burrocrat... if I didn't worry about math, I wouldn't be very good at my job :nuts:

 

[burrocrat]

let me be frank with you, i'm only here for the spelling and grammar, not the math.

 

[userque]

Now we know that you are just jealous. Develop a good track record and perhaps one day you can be like Mike...................

That guess is also incorrect.

I've posted in the past that if I were to use a premium service, it would be the one with the best return, which was you. A post you "liked."

You see, I'm not a hater.

I intend to develop a good track record, but not to be like anyone.

But, I would love to be like Jesus, for the record. I know I've got a long way to go in that regard.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

Just can't stop hating can you?

Yes, I'm a fool then.

I mentioned my profile in case anyone wants to verify that your comment was simply a hateristic guess.

I'm here for the same reasons others are here. Did you ask others why are they here? But I'm not here to convince others they should pay me to tell them how to trade their accounts.

Now we know that you are just jealous. Develop a good track record and perhaps one day you can be like Mike...................

 

[userque]

About $100 every six months! If you are going to post a lot here, which you obviously are, you'd be a fool to not sign up as I'm sure you'll make more than that. Profile? Why would I look at your profile?

Just an FYI, but most people here aren't as stupid as you think. They sign up for my service because of my returns and charming personality. I don't have to convince them of anything. Why are you here? Aren't you trying to convince others that you have the answers to all their trading problems? Need I say more...................

Just can't stop hating can you?

Yes, I'm a fool then.

I mentioned my profile in case anyone wants to verify that your comment was simply a hateristic guess.

I'm here for the same reasons others are here. Did you ask others why are they here? But I'm not here to convince others they should pay me to tell them how to trade their accounts.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

As my profile reveals, I'm not in the Adsense program.

You make money by convincing others they need your help with trading. You also make money from Adsense.

I make nothing from what I do on this site.

About $100 every six months! If you are going to post a lot here, which you obviously are, you'd be a fool to not sign up as I'm sure you'll make more than that. Profile? Why would I look at your profile?

Just an FYI, but most people here aren't as stupid as you think. They sign up for my service because of my returns and charming personality. I don't have to convince them of anything. Why are you here? Aren't you trying to convince others that you have the answers to all their trading problems? Need I say more...................

 

[userque]

Okay, well I've given you enough Adsense dollars for one day. I guess I'll finish my weekly commentary tomorrow as now I'm off to watch something else creepy, The Planet Of The Apes.............

As my profile reveals, I'm not in the Adsense program.

You make money by convincing others they need your help with trading. You also make money from Adsense.

I make nothing from what I do on this site.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

I extrapolated it.

Okay, well I've given you enough Adsense dollars for one day. I guess I'll finish my weekly commentary tomorrow as now I'm off to watch something else creepy, The Planet Of The Apes.............

 

[userque]

So how did you come up with this list? Did you hack into the premium services database (I certainly hope not), or did you sit at your computer all day and constantly hit the refresh key on the "latest posts" button to see who is posting on my premium services thread? The latter would be pretty creepy don't you think? What do you hope to prove by formulating such a list?

I extrapolated it.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

We all sucked (at trading) at one time.

Finally something we can agree on..............

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

I initially didn't take it as an attack. I did later, as the conversation continued. I now accept that it wasn't. And, I apologize for any condescension I displayed as a result.

There's no trying to EXTRAPOLATE. The formula DOES extrapolate. Annualizing the return merely says that if the current performance continues, here's what can be expected in a year's time. There is nothing false about that fact. However, I suspect an average as you suggest would be more "stable" and also fair to new participants. By the way, I would do this if I were the only participant. More participants means more work for me. I'm not selling anything.

It's not whether I think 3600% is the way to go. That's what it would be if my performance continues as it is doing for a year. Did you have a problem with the other participants rate? Because they are more inline to what you expect a return should be?

The list was of recent Intrepid customers. I suspected you were here on his behalf.

So how did you come up with this list? Did you hack into the premium services database (I certainly hope not), or did you sit at your computer all day and constantly hit the refresh key on the "latest posts" button to see who is posting on my premium services thread? The latter would be pretty creepy don't you think? What do you hope to prove by formulating such a list?

 

[userque]

Palate Cleanser:

 

[userque]

booooooo.

i suck at this game.

We all sucked (at trading) at one time.

 

[burrocrat]

booooooo.

i suck at this game.