TNA Trading Challenge

[userque]

212 or 356 days? i don't care. i just want to find out if my dognam tna number total thingy turned green yesterday.

i've noticed alot of folks around here take the math very seriously. i just think there's more to life than math, plus i'm not very good at it. so i make up stories which are mostly true and talk about boobs alot. trust me, it's way more fun than staying up all night crunching numbers and fighting.

now i'm not asking for a dang picasso of a spreadsheet, and i don't care how the magic math works behind the scenes as long as it works the same for everybody then it's still a useful comparitive tool.

hurry, just nod if green or blink 3 times if red, this is driving me crazy.

You were Long. TNA went down. You're still in the red.

 

[userque]

Most people have been here a lot longer than you have and a lot of them know all about my proclivity to call out (you call it lash out) at some who come here boasting big returns. Guess what, of the ones I've called out in the past, not a single one was ever able to actually walk the talk. There are others here that do have successful systems, or at least successful returns, and I've never called them out because they actually proved what they could do. Until you've here awhile and actually prove what you say you can do, then you are just another one who is talking the talk. Since I am calling you out, perhaps you will be the first to actually prove me wrong. The odds are against you though...............

So basically, your comments are just another way to try and make yourself look good or come across as "better than thee". Your TSP return since you have been here should tell everyone exactly what they need to know. I may not have the best trading system around, but not too many have been able to consistently beat it either. Some think one year out of 5 of 6 is enough though....... Prove me wrong and I'll be the first to jump on the userque bandwagon. You got a lot of work to do to get to that point though.

The contest shows my trades. The chart I post shows my trades. I'm not boasting big returns, I'm doing them. I'm walking the walk. My comments aren't to make me look good. My trades decide how I look.

My tsp return includes a time frame where I wasn't using what I'm using now. If you are judging the past, then you are correct.

 

[userque]

212 or 356 days? i don't care. i just want to find out if my dognam tna number total thingy turned green yesterday.

i've noticed alot of folks around here take the math very seriously. i just think there's more to life than math, plus i'm not very good at it. so i make up stories which are mostly true and talk about boobs alot. trust me, it's way more fun than staying up all night crunching numbers and fighting.

now i'm not asking for a dang picasso of a spreadsheet, and i don't care how the magic math works behind the scenes as long as it works the same for everybody then it's still a useful comparitive tool.

hurry, just nod if green or blink 3 times if red, this is driving me crazy.

Sorry 'bout that. I'll get on it shortly.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

For those that don't know. Intrepid has a service on this site whereby folks pay him for trading advise. He has a tendency to lash out at others when they post about successful trading systems. A "chilling effect" (as it's known in some circles) to open discussion on this site. His past posts will evidence this fact. If I continue to post/trade well, I expect his anger to grow proportionately. Brace yourselves.

Most people have been here a lot longer than you have and a lot of them know all about my proclivity to call out (you call it lash out) at some who come here boasting big returns. Guess what, of the ones I've called out in the past, not a single one was ever able to actually walk the talk. There are others here that do have successful systems, or at least successful returns, and I've never called them out because they actually proved what they could do. Until you've here awhile and actually prove what you say you can do, then you are just another one who is talking the talk. Since I am calling you out, perhaps you will be the first to actually prove me wrong. The odds are against you though...............

So basically, your comments are just another way to try and make yourself look good or come across as "better than thee". Your TSP return since you have been here should tell everyone exactly what they need to know. I may not have the best trading system around, but not too many have been able to consistently beat it either. Some think one year out of 5 of 6 is enough though....... Prove me wrong and I'll be the first to jump on the userque bandwagon. You got a lot of work to do to get to that point though.

 

[userque]

"accused" is a strong word... I just asked for clarification. If you took it as an attack of your integrity than I apologize as I didn't mean it to come off that way. After you explained how you got your number I even admitted I had incorrectly ignored the significance of compounding as typically its not significant in a single years time... but we also aren't talking about typical rates of return either.

I mean I get what you're trying to do (I think?)... compare everyone in the challenge's performance without distortion of # of days in the challenge since you are hoping people join in. And to that I'd still suggest something similar to what I calculated... an average, per day, rate as opposed to trying to EXTRAPOLATE to a year. I think you'd agree annualized rate of return is most useful when you have MORE than a years worth of data, and we are a long ways away from there. But that's nothing more than a personal opinion and a suggestion. If you think 3600% rate of return is the way to go, then more power to-ya!

What was the purpose of posting the list of people, if you were not calling us all haters?

I initially didn't take it as an attack. I did later, as the conversation continued. I now accept that it wasn't. And, I apologize for any condescension I displayed as a result.

There's no trying to EXTRAPOLATE. The formula DOES extrapolate. Annualizing the return merely says that if the current performance continues, here's what can be expected in a year's time. There is nothing false about that fact. However, I suspect an average as you suggest would be more "stable" and also fair to new participants. By the way, I would do this if I were the only participant. More participants means more work for me. I'm not selling anything.

It's not whether I think 3600% is the way to go. That's what it would be if my performance continues as it is doing for a year. Did you have a problem with the other participants rate? Because they are more inline to what you expect a return should be?

The list was of recent Intrepid customers. I suspected you were here on his behalf.

 

[burrocrat]

212 or 356 days? i don't care. i just want to find out if my dognam tna number total thingy turned green yesterday.

i've noticed alot of folks around here take the math very seriously. i just think there's more to life than math, plus i'm not very good at it. so i make up stories which are mostly true and talk about boobs alot. trust me, it's way more fun than staying up all night crunching numbers and fighting.

now i'm not asking for a dang picasso of a spreadsheet, and i don't care how the magic math works behind the scenes as long as it works the same for everybody then it's still a useful comparitive tool.

hurry, just nod if green or blink 3 times if red, this is driving me crazy.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

Its quite possible I missed something, but it looks like your annualized rate of return is way off...

"accused" is a strong word... I just asked for clarification. If you took it as an attack of your integrity than I apologize as I didn't mean it to come off that way. After you explained how you got your number I even admitted I had incorrectly ignored the significance of compounding as typically its not significant in a single years time... but we also aren't talking about typical rates of return either.

I mean I get what you're trying to do (I think?)... compare everyone in the challenge's performance without distortion of # of days in the challenge since you are hoping people join in. And to that I'd still suggest something similar to what I calculated... an average, per day, rate as opposed to trying to EXTRAPOLATE to a year. I think you'd agree annualized rate of return is most useful when you have MORE than a years worth of data, and we are a long ways away from there. But that's nothing more than a personal opinion and a suggestion. If you think 3600% rate of return is the way to go, then more power to-ya!

What was the purpose of posting the list of people, if you were not calling us all haters?

 

[userque]

 

[userque]

For those that don't know. Intrepid has a service on this site whereby folks pay him for trading advise. He has a tendency to lash out at others when they post about successful trading systems. A "chilling effect" (as it's known in some circles) to open discussion on this site. His past posts will evidence this fact. If I continue to post/trade well, I expect his anger to grow proportionately. Brace yourselves.

 

[userque]

Always blaming the other guy. You posted a list of names after calling me a hater, soooooooo............

Can I give you some advice, get out from behind that computer and get out in public. I truly think it will help you bud...............

Originally Posted by Intrepid_Timer
I'm not hostile, or angry. I was just being a smartass like you constantly are and I don't care for the way you talk down to others, whether they made a mistake or not. You are using 365 days to calculate your APR when the stock market is only open around 250 days each year so your theoretical returns are at least 30% higher than they should be, if nothing else. This is an obvious error to most and if YOU can make a mistake like that, well, I guess there is hope for the rest of us yet.................

So what is that list, other "haters"?

Thanks for the advice. Pal.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

Intrepid said you were a hater, not me. Ask him.

Always blaming the other guy. You posted a list of names after calling me a hater, soooooooo............

Can I give you some advice, get out from behind that computer and get out in public. I truly think it will help you bud...............

 

[userque]

I assume this is meant to be some sort of veiled threat, but I stand behind anything I've ever said here, so I don't know why you would think it would scare me. Looks like I have another stalker, great...........you weren't "greg" in another life were you?

I don't have time to play "he said, she said" with you as I have a weekly commentary to put together for my 50 "customers". Good luck with that $100 grand, you obviously aren't making that with your TSP.

Why would you consider posting your past posts a threat?

Stalking? You can here, remember?

I'm Frank, not Greg. So you had issues with "Greg" as well?

"he said, she said" time? You had time to come here and start playing whatever you call this. Finish the game?

Thanks, good luck to you too.

 

[userque]

Woah, why am I a hater?

Intrepid said you were a hater, not me. Ask him.

 

[userque]

Why do you keep saying MY numbers? They are your numbers...
What I calculated just wasn't an annualized rate of return... which for the record isn't what ARP stands for. I let it all go because you at least explained where you got your number, whether it was meaningful or not, I don't care to fight about especially considering you came off very arrogant in your initial responses; and its your spreadsheet so obviously you can do as you wish. Sure industry uses it, but not like you are... when a bank calculates an ARP for a CD, its a guarantee, a known outcome... which isn't close as to what you are doing.

I used 365 days because your spreadsheet says 20 "Days in the challenge"... not "TRADING days in the challenge"

Regarding your numbers:

That extrapolated to 365 days would be 0.99077 * 365 = 361.6%,

Regarding ARP:

on par with the accuracy of your current ARP

Regarding My Initial Response (after you accused me of not calculating the number properly):

That's not how APR's are computed (nor compounded in reality). I'll post a reference website shortly.

Regarding Guarantees:
What? I'm not selling anything...it's a contest.:blink:

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

Why the hostilities chief? k0nkuzh0n got it wrong and I cleared it up? What should I have done? You're not one of those haters are you?



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Woah, why am I a hater?

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

Yes, I used 365 without thinking about it because your customer first mentioned it. I'll repost the numbers using 250. I don't start things, but don't mind finishing things.

Your posting history shows your demeanor, even when you were the mlk_man. I'll post those too if you need proof.

I assume this is meant to be some sort of veiled threat, but I stand behind anything I've ever said here, so I don't know why you would think it would scare me. Looks like I have another stalker, great...........you weren't "greg" in another life were you?

I don't have time to play "he said, she said" with you as I have a weekly commentary to put together for my 50 "customers". Good luck with that $100 grand, you obviously aren't making that with your TSP.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

Using k0nkuzh0n's numbers I would make only $100 grand in the first year instead of $300:

Why do you keep saying MY numbers? They are your numbers...
What I calculated just wasn't an annualized rate of return... which for the record isn't what APR stands for. I let it all go because you at least explained where you got your number, whether it was meaningful or not, I don't care to fight about especially considering you came off very arrogant in your initial responses; and its your spreadsheet so obviously you can do as you wish. Sure industry uses it, but not like you are... when a bank calculates an APR for a CD, its a guarantee, a known outcome... which isn't close as to what you are doing.

I used 365 days because your spreadsheet says 20 "Days in the challenge"... not "TRADING days in the challenge"

 

[userque]

Using k0nkuzh0n's numbers I would make only $100 grand in the first year instead of $300:

 

[userque]

I'm not hostile, or angry. I was just being a smartass like you constantly are and I don't care for the way you talk down to others, whether they made a mistake or not. You are using 365 days to calculate your APR when the stock market is only open around 250 days each year so your theoretical returns are at least 30% higher than they should be, if nothing else. This is an obvious error to most and if YOU can make a mistake like that, well, I guess there is hope for the rest of us yet.................

So what is that list, other "haters"?

That extrapolated to 365 days would be 0.99077 * 365 = 361.6%, not even close to 2609%. 2609% means you're making 7% a day

Yes, I used 365 without thinking about it because your customer first mentioned it. I'll repost the numbers using 250. I don't start things, but don't mind finishing things.

Your posting history shows your demeanor, even when you were the mlk_man. I'll post those too if you need proof.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

I'm not hostile, or angry. I was just being a smartass like you constantly are and I don't care for the way you talk down to others, whether they made a mistake or not. You are using 365 days to calculate your APR when the stock market is only open around 250 days each year so your theoretical returns are at least 30% higher than they should be, if nothing else. This is an obvious error to most and if YOU can make a mistake like that, well, I guess there is hope for the rest of us yet.................

So what is that list, other "haters"?

Why the hostilities chief? k0nkuzh0n got it wrong and I cleared it up? What should I have done? You're not one of those haters are you?

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