TNA Trading Challenge

[userque]

Always blaming the other guy. You posted a list of names after calling me a hater, soooooooo............

Can I give you some advice, get out from behind that computer and get out in public. I truly think it will help you bud...............

Originally Posted by Intrepid_Timer
I'm not hostile, or angry. I was just being a smartass like you constantly are and I don't care for the way you talk down to others, whether they made a mistake or not. You are using 365 days to calculate your APR when the stock market is only open around 250 days each year so your theoretical returns are at least 30% higher than they should be, if nothing else. This is an obvious error to most and if YOU can make a mistake like that, well, I guess there is hope for the rest of us yet.................

So what is that list, other "haters"?

Thanks for the advice. Pal.

 

[userque]

For those that don't know. Intrepid has a service on this site whereby folks pay him for trading advise. He has a tendency to lash out at others when they post about successful trading systems. A "chilling effect" (as it's known in some circles) to open discussion on this site. His past posts will evidence this fact. If I continue to post/trade well, I expect his anger to grow proportionately. Brace yourselves.

 

[userque]

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

Its quite possible I missed something, but it looks like your annualized rate of return is way off...

"accused" is a strong word... I just asked for clarification. If you took it as an attack of your integrity than I apologize as I didn't mean it to come off that way. After you explained how you got your number I even admitted I had incorrectly ignored the significance of compounding as typically its not significant in a single years time... but we also aren't talking about typical rates of return either.

I mean I get what you're trying to do (I think?)... compare everyone in the challenge's performance without distortion of # of days in the challenge since you are hoping people join in. And to that I'd still suggest something similar to what I calculated... an average, per day, rate as opposed to trying to EXTRAPOLATE to a year. I think you'd agree annualized rate of return is most useful when you have MORE than a years worth of data, and we are a long ways away from there. But that's nothing more than a personal opinion and a suggestion. If you think 3600% rate of return is the way to go, then more power to-ya!

What was the purpose of posting the list of people, if you were not calling us all haters?

 

[burrocrat]

212 or 356 days? i don't care. i just want to find out if my dognam tna number total thingy turned green yesterday.

i've noticed alot of folks around here take the math very seriously. i just think there's more to life than math, plus i'm not very good at it. so i make up stories which are mostly true and talk about boobs alot. trust me, it's way more fun than staying up all night crunching numbers and fighting.

now i'm not asking for a dang picasso of a spreadsheet, and i don't care how the magic math works behind the scenes as long as it works the same for everybody then it's still a useful comparitive tool.

hurry, just nod if green or blink 3 times if red, this is driving me crazy.

 

[userque]

"accused" is a strong word... I just asked for clarification. If you took it as an attack of your integrity than I apologize as I didn't mean it to come off that way. After you explained how you got your number I even admitted I had incorrectly ignored the significance of compounding as typically its not significant in a single years time... but we also aren't talking about typical rates of return either.

I mean I get what you're trying to do (I think?)... compare everyone in the challenge's performance without distortion of # of days in the challenge since you are hoping people join in. And to that I'd still suggest something similar to what I calculated... an average, per day, rate as opposed to trying to EXTRAPOLATE to a year. I think you'd agree annualized rate of return is most useful when you have MORE than a years worth of data, and we are a long ways away from there. But that's nothing more than a personal opinion and a suggestion. If you think 3600% rate of return is the way to go, then more power to-ya!

What was the purpose of posting the list of people, if you were not calling us all haters?

I initially didn't take it as an attack. I did later, as the conversation continued. I now accept that it wasn't. And, I apologize for any condescension I displayed as a result.

There's no trying to EXTRAPOLATE. The formula DOES extrapolate. Annualizing the return merely says that if the current performance continues, here's what can be expected in a year's time. There is nothing false about that fact. However, I suspect an average as you suggest would be more "stable" and also fair to new participants. By the way, I would do this if I were the only participant. More participants means more work for me. I'm not selling anything.

It's not whether I think 3600% is the way to go. That's what it would be if my performance continues as it is doing for a year. Did you have a problem with the other participants rate? Because they are more inline to what you expect a return should be?

The list was of recent Intrepid customers. I suspected you were here on his behalf.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

For those that don't know. Intrepid has a service on this site whereby folks pay him for trading advise. He has a tendency to lash out at others when they post about successful trading systems. A "chilling effect" (as it's known in some circles) to open discussion on this site. His past posts will evidence this fact. If I continue to post/trade well, I expect his anger to grow proportionately. Brace yourselves.

Most people have been here a lot longer than you have and a lot of them know all about my proclivity to call out (you call it lash out) at some who come here boasting big returns. Guess what, of the ones I've called out in the past, not a single one was ever able to actually walk the talk. There are others here that do have successful systems, or at least successful returns, and I've never called them out because they actually proved what they could do. Until you've here awhile and actually prove what you say you can do, then you are just another one who is talking the talk. Since I am calling you out, perhaps you will be the first to actually prove me wrong. The odds are against you though...............

So basically, your comments are just another way to try and make yourself look good or come across as "better than thee". Your TSP return since you have been here should tell everyone exactly what they need to know. I may not have the best trading system around, but not too many have been able to consistently beat it either. Some think one year out of 5 of 6 is enough though....... Prove me wrong and I'll be the first to jump on the userque bandwagon. You got a lot of work to do to get to that point though.

 

[userque]

212 or 356 days? i don't care. i just want to find out if my dognam tna number total thingy turned green yesterday.

i've noticed alot of folks around here take the math very seriously. i just think there's more to life than math, plus i'm not very good at it. so i make up stories which are mostly true and talk about boobs alot. trust me, it's way more fun than staying up all night crunching numbers and fighting.

now i'm not asking for a dang picasso of a spreadsheet, and i don't care how the magic math works behind the scenes as long as it works the same for everybody then it's still a useful comparitive tool.

hurry, just nod if green or blink 3 times if red, this is driving me crazy.

Sorry 'bout that. I'll get on it shortly.

 

[userque]

Most people have been here a lot longer than you have and a lot of them know all about my proclivity to call out (you call it lash out) at some who come here boasting big returns. Guess what, of the ones I've called out in the past, not a single one was ever able to actually walk the talk. There are others here that do have successful systems, or at least successful returns, and I've never called them out because they actually proved what they could do. Until you've here awhile and actually prove what you say you can do, then you are just another one who is talking the talk. Since I am calling you out, perhaps you will be the first to actually prove me wrong. The odds are against you though...............

So basically, your comments are just another way to try and make yourself look good or come across as "better than thee". Your TSP return since you have been here should tell everyone exactly what they need to know. I may not have the best trading system around, but not too many have been able to consistently beat it either. Some think one year out of 5 of 6 is enough though....... Prove me wrong and I'll be the first to jump on the userque bandwagon. You got a lot of work to do to get to that point though.

The contest shows my trades. The chart I post shows my trades. I'm not boasting big returns, I'm doing them. I'm walking the walk. My comments aren't to make me look good. My trades decide how I look.

My tsp return includes a time frame where I wasn't using what I'm using now. If you are judging the past, then you are correct.

 

[userque]

212 or 356 days? i don't care. i just want to find out if my dognam tna number total thingy turned green yesterday.

i've noticed alot of folks around here take the math very seriously. i just think there's more to life than math, plus i'm not very good at it. so i make up stories which are mostly true and talk about boobs alot. trust me, it's way more fun than staying up all night crunching numbers and fighting.

now i'm not asking for a dang picasso of a spreadsheet, and i don't care how the magic math works behind the scenes as long as it works the same for everybody then it's still a useful comparitive tool.

hurry, just nod if green or blink 3 times if red, this is driving me crazy.

You were Long. TNA went down. You're still in the red.

 

[burrocrat]

booooooo.

i suck at this game.

 

[userque]

booooooo.

i suck at this game.

We all sucked (at trading) at one time.

 

[userque]

Palate Cleanser:

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

I initially didn't take it as an attack. I did later, as the conversation continued. I now accept that it wasn't. And, I apologize for any condescension I displayed as a result.

There's no trying to EXTRAPOLATE. The formula DOES extrapolate. Annualizing the return merely says that if the current performance continues, here's what can be expected in a year's time. There is nothing false about that fact. However, I suspect an average as you suggest would be more "stable" and also fair to new participants. By the way, I would do this if I were the only participant. More participants means more work for me. I'm not selling anything.

It's not whether I think 3600% is the way to go. That's what it would be if my performance continues as it is doing for a year. Did you have a problem with the other participants rate? Because they are more inline to what you expect a return should be?

The list was of recent Intrepid customers. I suspected you were here on his behalf.

So how did you come up with this list? Did you hack into the premium services database (I certainly hope not), or did you sit at your computer all day and constantly hit the refresh key on the "latest posts" button to see who is posting on my premium services thread? The latter would be pretty creepy don't you think? What do you hope to prove by formulating such a list?

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

We all sucked (at trading) at one time.

Finally something we can agree on..............

 

[userque]

So how did you come up with this list? Did you hack into the premium services database (I certainly hope not), or did you sit at your computer all day and constantly hit the refresh key on the "latest posts" button to see who is posting on my premium services thread? The latter would be pretty creepy don't you think? What do you hope to prove by formulating such a list?

I extrapolated it.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

I extrapolated it.

Okay, well I've given you enough Adsense dollars for one day. I guess I'll finish my weekly commentary tomorrow as now I'm off to watch something else creepy, The Planet Of The Apes.............

 

[userque]

Okay, well I've given you enough Adsense dollars for one day. I guess I'll finish my weekly commentary tomorrow as now I'm off to watch something else creepy, The Planet Of The Apes.............

As my profile reveals, I'm not in the Adsense program.

You make money by convincing others they need your help with trading. You also make money from Adsense.

I make nothing from what I do on this site.

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

As my profile reveals, I'm not in the Adsense program.

You make money by convincing others they need your help with trading. You also make money from Adsense.

I make nothing from what I do on this site.

About $100 every six months! If you are going to post a lot here, which you obviously are, you'd be a fool to not sign up as I'm sure you'll make more than that. Profile? Why would I look at your profile?

Just an FYI, but most people here aren't as stupid as you think. They sign up for my service because of my returns and charming personality. I don't have to convince them of anything. Why are you here? Aren't you trying to convince others that you have the answers to all their trading problems? Need I say more...................

 

[userque]

About $100 every six months! If you are going to post a lot here, which you obviously are, you'd be a fool to not sign up as I'm sure you'll make more than that. Profile? Why would I look at your profile?

Just an FYI, but most people here aren't as stupid as you think. They sign up for my service because of my returns and charming personality. I don't have to convince them of anything. Why are you here? Aren't you trying to convince others that you have the answers to all their trading problems? Need I say more...................

Just can't stop hating can you?

Yes, I'm a fool then.

I mentioned my profile in case anyone wants to verify that your comment was simply a hateristic guess.

I'm here for the same reasons others are here. Did you ask others why are they here? But I'm not here to convince others they should pay me to tell them how to trade their accounts.