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Economy in Trouble, No Matter Bailout Outcome
News about the Treasury’s plan to purchase distressed assets from financial institutions monopolized headlines this week, but regardless of the outcome of the political debates, new data indicated that the economy is poised for further difficulties.

The release of major indicators this week actually started out on a somewhat positive note. August existing-home sales posted a 2.2% decline and the median home price also fell, but some signs of stabilization emerged. The inventory of unsold homes on the market declined, possibly lifting pressure on prices. At the same time, the level of sales seems to be falling within a range that suggests some stabilization. “Looking at the longer-term picture, existing home sales have been largely stable for almost a year now. The significant volume of foreclosure sales have been one reason that total sales have held up,” wrote Abiel Reinhart of J.P. Morgan Chase.

However, data on new home sales on Thursday indicated that the housing may be borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. The foreclosures may be propping up existing home sales, but it appears to be at the expense of new home sales, which tumbled 11.5% in August. “With a record number of foreclosure starts in the second quarter, new home sales are likely to remain depressed in the coming months,” said Omair Sharif of RBS Greenwich Capital.

Also on Thursday, the manufacturing sector showed continued evidence of weakness. New orders for durable goods in August shrank 4.5%, much worse than expected, and the weakness was broad based. “Unfortunately, this isn’t a case where the headline was driven down by single volatile component; excluding the volatile transportation and defense sectors orders for capital goods shrank by 2%. The weakness is distributed among the remaining components,” wrote Goldman Sachs in a research note. “In real terms the slump looks to be even worse as the durable manufactured goods price index shows continued price increases in August.”

Meanwhile, the labor market continued to face pressure. As the market awaits the September employment report next Friday, the data on weekly jobless claims dropped to their lowest level since the Sept. 11 attacks. Though the number was distorted by the effects of Hurricanes Ike and Gustav, the picture for the jobs market is bleak. “Business cutbacks should intensify,” said Bruce Kasman at J.P. Morgan Chase. “Investment spending, which has continued to expand thus far, is expected to contract at close to an 8% annualized pace in the coming two quarters. We also expect payroll losses to average 150,000 per month in the coming six months, double the pace in the first 8 months of this year, and see the unemployment rate rising to close to 7% around the middle of next year.”

Finally, on Friday came the final revision to the second-quarter gross domestic product numbers, which had posted 3.3% growth at an annual rate in the previous estimate. The number wasn’t expected to change, as the final revision to GDP usually hews pretty close to the prior release. But the number was moved down five tenths of a percentage point to 2.8% growth, as consumer spending and trade effects provided less of a boost than previously thought. Consumer spending, at 70% of GDP, has long been a driver of growth but the credit crunch and deteriorating labor market has taken a major toll. “Available data point to an outright decline in consumer spending in the third quarter, which would be the first quarterly drop in 17 years,” said David Resler of Nomura Securities.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008...le-no-matter-bailout-outcome/?mod=rss_WSJBlog
 
IMPORTANT DEFINITION TO UNDERSTAND

Fair value: A basket of stocks that underlies an index has a cost and
a benefit associated with it. The cost boils down to the fees to buy and
hold the stocks (versus just leaving your stock buying money in the bank).
The benefit would be all the dividends you could receive from that
collection of stocks. The effect of these costs and benefits generally isn't
immediately reflected in a stock index. These calculations come after the
fact. So the end-level of an index is often different from where it would
have ended had the interest and dividend effects been added in.​
 
Where to invest in a post-bailout world
By Jonathan Burton, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Wall Street is bound to get its bailout, in one form or another. The government's rescue package will be costly to taxpayers, politically controversial -- and quite possibly not the last. It will also dramatically change the landscape for U.S. stock investors.


The bailout has a singular task: to grease the locked wheels of the financial system and get credit moving again. What investors need to remember is that even if this plan works, the deep problems plaguing homeowners, consumers and the broader economy won't magically disappear. The Troubled Asset Relief Plan isn't called TARP for no reason. It is intended to avert a flood of Depression-era size, but the ground around us will still be soaked.

Where to put your money

To handle these challenges in the months and perhaps years ahead, investors will need a rescue plan of their own. Ironically it also hinges on the Federal Reserve. With both the Fed and the Treasury pulling out their full arsenal to shore up the banks, the old adage "Don't fight the Fed" is even more apt today. The Fed is trumpeting that it is on the side of both the economy and investors. The message is clear: Follow the money. Focus on the areas of the market that stand to benefit from the government's largesse. Here are some places to look:

1. U.S. stocks; European bonds. After relying on international markets to boost returns for several years, U.S. investors can go home again. U.S. stocks haven't fallen nearly as much this year as counterparts overseas.

2. Small-caps; Economic troubles abroad and relatively better growth in the U.S. benefit small-cap stocks, which tend to be domestically focused. At a time when Americans are looking inward, trying literally to get their own house in order, smaller companies have an edge over giant multinationals and exporters.

3. Financials; The government's intervention is aimed at resuscitating the financial sector. That won't be its only rescue action. Look for the Fed to cut interest rates before year-end, and taxpayers may get another round of rebate checks to encourage spending. All of which should be good for financial services. "You will see bank stocks and financial stocks rally," said William Rutherford, a Portland, Ore. investment adviser. "There's plenty of money on the sidelines, and that will be one of the first places investors look."

4. Consumer goods; Consumer companies -- particularly those with mostly U.S. operations -- are strong defensive plays now and will share in an economic recovery. Mutual funds dedicated to the consumer-staples sector, for example, rose 3.9% in the past three months.

5. Health care; The health-care sector typically holds up in a slowing economy, and this time is no different; the average health-care fund added 3% in the past three months. Another catalyst for health-care investing is that the credit crunch may have quashed the political clouds overhanging the industry. Any federal health-care reforms are likely to be less grand in scale, Dorsey said. "The political fears of health-care reform have been way overblown," he added. "Health care is as attractive as it ever was."

To read the entire article go to:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={53B4C129-429C-4166-B965-E9B51F745AA4}

THX for the infomation - I have 1 IFT left and thinking of going 25% C Fund 50% S Fund and 25% I Fund.

If there is a huge spike Monday then the I Fund could have a large FV for Tuesday so my moves would be for Wednesday. The dollar will take a HUGE hit and I wonder a strong dollar is good for the S Fund but not for the I Fund.

Trying to gage what is the best Fund to be in because this is all new. The F Fund could even be a good play since I would expect that to drop below $12.00 easy unless I am missing something. Then we have the Fed if the do cuts rates as it is a real possibility my God Oil will be right back up.

Right now I am 100% C Fund but I belive this is a good time to move this around a bit. So bottom line SB et all what is the fund that has the best chance for a gain even if it is for a day
 
THX for the infomation - I have 1 IFT left and thinking of going 25% C Fund 50% S Fund and 25% I Fund.

If there is a huge spike Monday then the I Fund could have a large FV for Tuesday so my moves would be for Wednesday. The dollar will take a HUGE hit and I wonder a strong dollar is good for the S Fund but not for the I Fund.

Trying to gage what is the best Fund to be in because this is all new. The F Fund could even be a good play since I would expect that to drop below $12.00 easy unless I am missing something. Then we have the Fed if the do cuts rates as it is a real possibility my God Oil will be right back up.

Right now I am 100% C Fund but I belive this is a good time to move this around a bit. So bottom line SB et all what is the fund that has the best chance for a gain even if it is for a day

Braveheart, thanks for asking my opinion. The following are some things
I would be looking at if I had any IFT's left;

*The (C) Fund is down more YTD then the (S) Fund.
*The (I) Fund probably won't lag as the News came in on Sunday.
*The (I) Fund Overpayment is "LOW" and might mean greater gains,
should the fund managers add to the overpayment.
* A stronger dollar is good for the economy, thus the (C) and (S) would
benefit more from the rising dollar.
* If the News hits the dollar hard, then the (I) Fund would benefit more.
* The (S) Fund is down more then the (C) Fund on a month-to-date basis.
* Some investors may go back into Bonds and that would be good for the
(F) Fund, however, not nearly enough to warrant going in.

Bottom Line: depending on what Monday brings, you might well decide to
take some $$$$ off the table completely. Spread the wealth with the rest
of your $$$$. Possibly 15%(C) 15%(S) 20%(I) and hold it there. Should
the market adjust downward you can double up after the October IFT's
kick in. Should we see a two day rally off the news, I wouldn't expect it
to hold very much longer then that as the Economy is in pitiful shape.
(JMHO).
 
Braveheart, thanks for asking my opinion. The following are some things
I would be looking at if I had any IFT's left;

*The (C) Fund is down more YTD then the (S) Fund.
*The (I) Fund probably won't lag as the News came in on Sunday.
*The (I) Fund Overpayment is "LOW" and might mean greater gains,
should the fund managers add to the overpayment.
* A stronger dollar is good for the economy, thus the (C) and (S) would
benefit more from the rising dollar.
* If the News hits the dollar hard, then the (I) Fund would benefit more.
* The (S) Fund is down more then the (C) Fund on a month-to-date basis.
* Some investors may go back into Bonds and that would be good for the
(F) Fund, however, not nearly enough to warrant going in.

Bottom Line: depending on what Monday brings, you might well decide to
take some $$$$ off the table completely. Spread the wealth with the rest
of your $$$$. Possibly 15%(C) 15%(S) 20%(I) and hold it there. Should
the market adjust downward you can double up after the October IFT's
kick in. Should we see a two day rally off the news, I wouldn't expect it
to hold very much longer then that as the Economy is in pitiful shape.
(JMHO).

WoW - Thank you for all that information. That is a good plan and I wonder what 700 Billion will do to the F Fund. I think as you stated the initial reaction will be grab that dough and since there is so much fear of the unknown we could see a selloff Wednesday.

I think we will see a spike of 600 points+ over 2 days than profit taking or running for the hills but who knows maybe it will be the start of a huge rally problem is no one has any money left to risk in America so I expect a ton of foreign investments here. THX - Braveheart
 
Remember this deal isn't final and no one is saying it is definately going to pass. I would hope some reps are going to vote as the constituents are screaming. If I had an IFT left, I would not be in past Wed. If it doesn't pass things are going to tank hard and fast. JMHO
 
Remember this deal isn't final and no one is saying it is definately going to pass. I would hope some reps are going to vote as the constituents are screaming. If I had an IFT left, I would not be in past Wed. If it doesn't pass things are going to tank hard and fast. JMHO

Futures aren't a lock, but they are down right now! :worried:
 
Not that it will do any good but I just e-mailed Senator McCain and indicated how disappointed I am that his support of the bailout is going to force me to vote indepenent in November.:suspicious:
 

I was so mad after watching that, I send emails to these two: (saying, great job! and I included the youtube video link...)

http://www.house.gov/meeks/
Use Zip 11001-1702 to send email

http://www.house.gov/waters/
Use Zip 90250-5545 to send email

Took me a while to find the 9 digit zips to make them think I was a constituant...but it was well worth it! LOL!

I'm too lazy to do it to everyone...but here are some more names in that video:

Lacy Clay (MO)
Artur Davis (AL)
Barney Frank (MA)
Franklin Raines (Fannie CEO)

Just an observation...I noticed that of the 6 names listed, 5 of them are African American. Is Fannie/Freddie more for minorities or something?? Just seems like quite a coincidence.
 
Capital Hill, Wall Street, Main Street and the American Taxpayer. Put them
all together and reshuffle them in order of priority. If history is any proof,
I believe you'll find the Politicians, Business Owners, Investors and John Q
Public would put them in different order. When its time to have all of our
priorities in the same order, its no wonder why we see such Chaos. Trust
and Confidence have been left behind. All in the name of doing "Right" by
the taxpayers. Just my thoughts being spewd over into words. Its all crap :sick:
 
Just a re-post of Fridays O/D Tracker.

YTD O/D FOR ALL TSP FUNDS

(C) Fund vs. the SPX = 0.2262 TSP Cent Overpayment or +1.63%

(S) Fund vs. DWCPF. = 0.3981 TSP Cent Overpayment or +2.31%
(I). Fund vs. the EFA = 0.2149 TSP Cent Overpayment or +1.12%:)

DAILY (I) FUND VS. EFA O/D TRACKING RESULTS:

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(8/25/08) +0.7622% -0.4063 tsp cents
(8/26/08) -0.4230% -0.3220 tsp cents
(8/27/08) -0.5610% -0.2106 tsp cents
(8/28/08) +0.3609% -0.2877 tsp cents
(8/29/08) +0.2044% -0.3291 tsp cents
WEEKLY +0.3435% +0.0730 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/01/08) FEDERAL HOLIDAY
(9/02/08) +0.6546% -0.4584 tsp cents
(9/03/08) -0.8790% -0.2772 tsp cents
(9/04/08) +0.6018% -0.3826 tsp cents
(9/05/08) -0.5642% -0.2717 tsp cents
WEEKLY -0.1868% -0.0574 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/08/08) +0.1989% -0.3171 tsp cents
(9/09/08) +0.0157% -0.3098 tsp cents
(9/10/08) -0.1535% -0.2831 tsp cents
(9/11/08) -0.1739% -0.2491 tsp cents
(9/12/08) -0.3907% -0.1778 tsp cents
WEEKLY -0.3685% -0.0939 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/15/08) +0.8638% -0.3323 tsp cents
(9/16/08) -0.2278% -0.2873 tsp cents
(9/17/08) +0.8268% -0.4262 tsp cents
(9/18/08) -2.0361% -0.0642 tsp cents
(9/19/08) -0.4960%+0.0283 tsp cents
WEEKLY. -1.4600% -0.1495 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/22/08) +2.5382% -0.4628 tsp cents
(9/23/08) -0.8997% -0.2822 tsp cents
(9/24/08) -0.2518% -0.2347 tsp cents
(9/25/08) -0.5076% -0.1412 tsp cents
(9/26/08) +0.3903% -0.2149 tsp cents:)
WEEKLY. +0.7734%+0.1866 tsp cents

THE KEY:
------------------------------------------------- WE OWE THEM ----
- .6000 thru -.4000 High Overpayment (Rarely Goes Higher)
- .4000 thru -.3000 Meduim Overpayment, (Flip A Coin)
- .3000 thru -.2000 Low Overpayment (Goal is Met):)
- .2000 thru -.1000 (Not Seen Too Often)
- .1000 thru -.0000 (??????????????????)
-------------------------------------------------- THEY OWE US ----
+.0000 thru+.1000 Low Deficit (Goal is Met)
+.1000 thru+.1500 Medium Deficit (Flip A Coin)
+.1500 thru+.2500 High Deficit (Rarely Goes Lower)
+.2500 thru+.3000 Windfall Coming !
---------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Just a re-post of Friday's Information.

YTD IDX returns: YTD TSP returns: YTD SB current returns:
SPX= -17.39%.....C=...-16.01%....-04.95% (my figures):)
DW.= -14.67%.....S=.. -12.74%....
EFA= -23.89%......I=...-22.82%...
AGG= -02.43%.....F=...+01.29%...
...........................G=...+02.82%...

MTD IDX returns: MTD TSP returns: MTD SB current returns:
SPX= -04.93%.....C=...-04.76%....-05.50% (my figures):confused:
DW.= -07.01%.....S=.. -06.24%....
EFA= -05.37%.....I=....-05.86%...
AGG= -02.02%.....F=.. -00.86%...
...........................G=...+00.27%..
 
YTD O/D FOR ALL TSP FUNDS

(C) Fund vs. the SPX = 0.2088 TSP Cent Overpayment or +1.65%
(S) Fund vs. DWCPF. = 0.3692 TSP Cent Overpayment or +2.30%
(I). Fund vs. the EFA = 0.6001 TSP Cent Overpayment or +3.44%:mad:

DAILY (I) FUND VS. EFA O/D TRACKING RESULTS:

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/01/08) FEDERAL HOLIDAY
(9/02/08) +0.6546% -0.4584 tsp cents
(9/03/08) -0.8790% -0.2772 tsp cents
(9/04/08) +0.6018% -0.3826 tsp cents
(9/05/08) -0.5642% -0.2717 tsp cents
WEEKLY -0.1868% -0.0574 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/08/08) +0.1989% -0.3171 tsp cents
(9/09/08) +0.0157% -0.3098 tsp cents
(9/10/08) -0.1535% -0.2831 tsp cents
(9/11/08) -0.1739% -0.2491 tsp cents
(9/12/08) -0.3907% -0.1778 tsp cents
WEEKLY -0.3685% -0.0939 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/15/08) +0.8638% -0.3323 tsp cents
(9/16/08) -0.2278% -0.2873 tsp cents
(9/17/08) +0.8268% -0.4262 tsp cents
(9/18/08) -2.0361% -0.0642 tsp cents
(9/19/08) -0.4960%+0.0283 tsp cents
WEEKLY. -1.4600% -0.1495 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/22/08) +2.5382% -0.4628 tsp cents
(9/23/08) -0.8997% -0.2822 tsp cents
(9/24/08) -0.2518% -0.2347 tsp cents
(9/25/08) -0.5076% -0.1412 tsp cents
(9/26/08) +0.3903% -0.2149 tsp cents
WEEKLY. +0.7734%+0.1866 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/29/08) +2.3205% -0.6001 tsp cents:mad:

THE KEY:
------------------------------------------------- WE OWE THEM ----
- .6000 thru -.4000 High Overpayment (Rarely Goes Higher):mad:
- .4000 thru -.3000 Meduim Overpayment, (Flip A Coin)
- .3000 thru -.2000 Low Overpayment (Goal is Met)
- .2000 thru -.1000 (Not Seen Too Often)
- .1000 thru -.0000 (??????????????????)
-------------------------------------------------- THEY OWE US ----
+.0000 thru+.1000 Low Deficit (Goal is Met)
+.1000 thru+.1500 Medium Deficit (Flip A Coin)
+.1500 thru+.2500 High Deficit (Rarely Goes Lower)
+.2500 thru+.3000 Windfall Coming !
---------------------------------------------------------------------
 
YTD IDX returns: YTD TSP returns: YTD SB current returns:
SPX= -24.65%.....C=...-23.37%....-04.92% (my figures):D
DW.= -20.67%.....S=.. -18.88%....
EFA= -32.38%......I=...-29.64%...
AGG= -02.88%.....F=...+02.08%...
...........................G=...+02.85%...

MTD IDX returns: MTD TSP returns: MTD SB current returns:
SPX= -13.72%.....C=...-13.53%....-05.47% (my figures):D
DW.= -14.08%.....S=.. -13.27%....
EFA= -16.54%.....I=....-14.71%...
AGG= -02.47%.....F=.. -00.08%...
...........................G=...+00.30%..
 
In the Automated Tracker:
#001 thru #020: 16 of 20 were in the no risk
funds and gained a average of .03% and 2 were
in the Low Risk Fund for an average gain of .78%
-----------------------------------------------
#145 thru #164: 18 of 20 were in the high risk
funds and lost an average of 8.38055% today.
-----------------------------------------------
This is not posted to kick someone when their down. It an observation
of the risk some are willing to take when down for the year. The same
news and market conditions existed for all our members. So why did the
majority of top 20 members opt to sit out today, while the others opted
to be in ? Some don't trade that frequently and have the time to make
up for the worse drop in US Market History. Others decided that the US
Calvary would arrive and save our economy. There were even some that
thought that they were down so much already, that this was going to be
the day to make a killing and recoup there losses. What ever the reason,
I find one thing that confuses me to no end;

For Goodness Sakes, Why at 100% ? Why not 25% or 50% ? :blink:
a) Charts & Trends ?
b) Investment Fundamentals ?
c) Strong Economic News ?
d) Confidence in our Gov't ?
 
I find one thing that confuses me to no end;

For Goodness Sakes, Why at 100% ? Why not 25% or 50% ? :blink:
a) Charts & Trends ?
b) Investment Fundamentals ?
c) Strong Economic News ?
d) Confidence in our Gov't ?

More interested in American Idol and NASCAR? :rolleyes: :laugh:
 
I don't know if this goes for others, but this is how it worked for me....

I actually got saved by the IFT limits. I'm done for the month. Have been for some time. But I was certain that the bill would pass the house and was lamenting not being able to be in. I'm 100% G. Had I been able to make an IFT, I would have been 100% C. I would have gone the whole 100% because a.) I only get one more IFT for the month, and b.) I'm down 8% and if I'm *certain* (as much as one can be in the markets) of a pop, which I was, I'd risk it all to try to get as close to even for the year as I could...

For once the IFT limits worked in my favor. :embarrest: Now if only the rally can hold off till Oct 1.....
 
I don't know if this goes for others, but this is how it worked for me....

I actually got saved by the IFT limits. I'm done for the month. Have been for some time. But I was certain that the bill would pass the house and was lamenting not being able to be in. I'm 100% G. Had I been able to make an IFT, I would have been 100% C. I would have gone the whole 100% because a.) I only get one more IFT for the month, and b.) I'm down 8% and if I'm *certain* (as much as one can be in the markets) of a pop, which I was, I'd risk it all to try to get as close to even for the year as I could...

For once the IFT limits worked in my favor. :embarrest: Now if only the rally can hold off till Oct 1.....

Don't worry I lost huge and I am 100% C Fund. Even if we rally today you will still get great values but be careful I don't trust this market and the only reason I am still in is to get back to $14.52 C Fund, WTF a good bill and I could have been there yesterday but that's rolling the dice. I got crap !! Imagine I still have 1 IFT left for September
 
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