Squalebear's Account Talk

AGG which reflects the (F) Fund is closing down around -1.01% :blink:
It'll be interesting to see how thats reflected in the TSP tonight.
There has been a discussion on my thread about the F Fund and whether or not it's the place to be going forward. I was interested to learn that the majority opinion is that a person should think carefully before investing there right now. Maybe today is Exhibit A?

Lady
 
There has been a discussion on my thread about the F Fund and whether or not it's the place to be going forward. I was interested to learn that the majority opinion is that a person should think carefully before investing there right now. Maybe today is Exhibit A?
Lady

Normally, the (F) Fund holds no interest for me as a TSP investor. The
fact that it has a life of its own and is so hard to predict plays a big part
in my decision. But when the Market falls to crap as it has, the (F) was
up 3.57% YTD yesterday. Many believe that we'll see a rebound like today
in the stock funds and the Bond Fund will drop. I'm in the (F) Fund at 26%
because I believe that the (F) will outperform the (G) Fund come 9/30/08.
Even if I'm wrong, the downside is not as risky as the stock funds at this
point. If it appears any differently then I currently think, I can always
bail 100% to the (G) Fund. However, I want to give myself a chance to
cop a few pennies more then the (G) has to offer. I guess time will tell
and I hope all the funds head upward. I just can't get by the risk that
the stock funds are dependant on 100% good news and will drop on one
single piece of negative information. Today, I'm having some champagne
over a possible +0.70% gain. Tomorrow,,,,, heck, the whole week,,should
be interesting without the stress.
 
YTD O/D FOR ALL TSP FUNDS

(C) Fund vs. the SPX = 0.2172 TSP Cent Overpayment or +1.56%
(S) Fund vs.. DWCPF = 0.3865 TSP Cent Overpayment or +2.21%
(I) .Fund vs. the EFA = 0.2873 TSP Cent Overpayment or +1.56%:)

DAILY (I) FUND VS. EFA O/D TRACKING RESULTS:

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(8/18/08) +0.0903% -0.3882 tsp cents
(8/19/08) -0.4733% -0.2878 tsp cents
(8/20/08) -0.1002% -0.2692 tsp cents
(8/21/08) -0.1488% -0.2401 tsp cents
(8/22/08) +0.0729% -0.2561 tsp cents
WEEKLY..-0.5591% -0.1154 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(8/25/08) +0.7622% -0.4063 tsp cents
(8/26/08) -0.4230% -0.3220 tsp cents
(8/27/08) -0.5610% -0.2106 tsp cents
(8/28/08) +0.3609% -0.2877 tsp cents
(8/29/08) +0.2044% -0.3291 tsp cents
WEEKLY +0.3435% +0.0730 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/01/08) FEDERAL HOLIDAY
(9/02/08) +0.6546% -0.4584 tsp cents
(9/03/08) -0.8790% -0.2772 tsp cents
(9/04/08) +0.6018% -0.3826 tsp cents
(9/05/08) -0.5642% -0.2717 tsp cents
WEEKLY -0.1868% -0.0574 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/08/08) +0.1989% -0.3171 tsp cents
(9/09/08) +0.0157% -0.3098 tsp cents
(9/10/08) -0.1535% -0.2831 tsp cents
(9/11/08) -0.1739% -0.2491 tsp cents
(9/12/08) -0.3907% -0.1778 tsp cents
WEEKLY -0.3685% -0.0939 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/15/08) +0.8638% -0.3323 tsp cents
(9/16/08) -0.2278% -0.2873 tsp cents:)


THE KEY:
------------------------------------------------- WE OWE THEM ----
- .6000 thru -.4000 High Overpayment (Rarely Goes Higher)
- .4000 thru -.3000 Meduim Overpayment, (Flip A Coin)
- .3000 thru -.2000 Low Overpayment (Goal is Met):)
- .2000 thru -.1000 (Not Seen Too Often)
- .1000 thru -.0000 (Not Seen For Over 2 Months)
-------------------------------------------------- THEY OWE US ----
+.0000 thru+.1000 Low Deficit (Goal is Met)
+.1000 thru+.1500 Medium Deficit (Flip A Coin)
+.1500 thru+.2500 High Deficit (Rarely Goes Lower)
+.2500 thru+.3000 Windfall Coming !
---------------------------------------------------------------------
 
YTD IDX returns: YTD TSP returns: YTD SB current returns:
SPX= -17.35%.....C=... -16.02%....-04.71% (my figures):(
DW.= -13.51%.....S=... -11.63%....
EFA= -26.84%.....I=.... -25.63%...
AGG=-00.58%.....F=....+03.21%...
...........................G=...+02.72%...

MTD IDX returns: MTD TSP returns: MTD SB current returns:
SPX= -05.28%.....C=... -05.17%....-05.28% (my figures):(
DW.=-06.15%.....S=... -05.48%....
EFA= -09.85%.....I=.....-09.91%...
AGG=-00.16%.....F=... +01.01%...
...........................G=...+00.17%..
 
Should anyone be interested in a estimated 2008 (G) Fund performance,
I've compiled some data that would hold true should the (G) rate remain
the same from now until December 31, 2008. Specifically,

Estimated Closing Price: 12.7524 per share.
Estimated YTD Percent: +3.8501629 %
Estimated Gain From Now: +1.1237785%

The above figure were estimated at the current (G) Fund Percentage
Rate and was posted here to give the membership a view of Risk vs.
Reward. By no means does this imply that I believe that the (G) Fund
will result in better gains from now until 12/31/08. This is simply info
that I thought some of the membership would find useful. This will be
posted in the (G) Fund Thread as well.
 
By no means does this imply...

Thanks SB ;)

I've learned over time that when anyone says:"By no means does this imply" - IT REALLY MEANS: you can bet your life on it; I swear by my grandmother's grave; only if the laws of math would be somehow entirely revamped could my calculation be off by even one - one/trillionish of a trillion; I'd be willing to bet a year's salary on this to your 2 week check...


Now that you're mostly on the Lilly Pad - I can bring some cup cakes and lemonade over later on :nuts::laugh:
 
Thanks SB,
I've learned over time that when anyone says:"By no means does this imply" - IT REALLY MEANS: you can bet your life on it; I swear by my grandmother's grave; only if the laws of math would be somehow entirely revamped could my calculation be off by even one - one/trillionish of a trillion; I'd be willing to bet a year's salary on this to your 2 week check...

Now that you're mostly on the Lilly Pad - I can bring some cup cakes and lemonade over later on

Thanks Steady, How about some Hersey's Chocolate Milk instead.
The Market,,,,,ooops,,,,, Lemonade gives me heartburn. :laugh:
 
The Dow could come close to testing the July's Lows. No, not the 2008 lows.
I'm talking about the July of 2006 Closing Price (10683.32). The next
lower point I see would be around (10200) as seen in October 2005.

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A FINAL THOUGHT BEFORE MY ROUTINE DUTY NAP:

If the Market isn't OVERSOLD yet, it probably should be. Restrictions
prevent me from playing a rebound, or adding to my position in the
stock funds. My gut tells me that the last half hour of todays trading
and tomorrow's opening will find buyers hungry for some good buys.
That is, until someone opens their pie-hole or discloses negative news.
I'm hoping for a truly positive Thursday for those in the Stock Funds
today. ;)
 
If the centapede doesn't drop any shoes tonight, I think you're right. It appears these overnight surprises spook the market.
 
If the Market isn't OVERSOLD yet, it probably should be. Restrictions prevent me from playing a rebound, or adding to my position in the stock funds. My gut tells me that the last half hour of todays trading and tomorrow's opening will find buyers hungry for some good buys

I've thought the same thing and I could buy.

The main problem from my perspective is this is the first time the Markets have responded to actual data (significant facts) supporting a substantial sell off. The BEAR (if I'm right) can't come out in full force and be knocked back overnight; so I'll just enjoy the water and sunshine a while longer.
 
A FINAL THOUGHT BEFORE MY ROUTINE DUTY NAP:

If the Market isn't OVERSOLD yet, it probably should be. Restrictions
prevent me from playing a rebound, or adding to my position in the
stock funds. My gut tells me that the last half hour of todays trading
and tomorrow's opening will find buyers hungry for some good buys.
That is, until someone opens their pie-hole or discloses negative news.
I'm hoping for a truly positive Thursday for those in the Stock Funds
today.

OR MAYBE NOT !
I'm still waiting on the TSP Update
 
Bear,

Well, I completed my "suicide dive" backflip into the stock funds today. I got off the lilly pad and went in 50% COB yesterday (turned out not a particularly good day to do so), and dollar-costed down the other 50% COB today. With so much "blood in the streets" and the VIX spiking, I'm hoping for a good interim bounce. I hope I don't get KO'd, with more bad, bad news coming out seemingly every day.

Good luck.
 
CNBC is now giving this day a label. They are calling it "White Knuckle
Wednesday". Even the Boo-Yah king is back tracking and proclaims this
"may not be the bottom". Confidence is Low. The markets are shaken. If
you were in the (I) Fund, consider it a blessing as opposed to being in
the (C) or the (S) today. The Fund Managers utilized every penny they
could find and jacked the Overpayment into the (Red) High area. This
move saved the (I) Funder's from seeing over -0.82% more in losses.
The US Futures Markets are currently mixed, but the European Market
won't open until 3:00am est. Japan is currently down -3.20%. I can't help
but think that there's little that the Fund Managers have (in the way of
Overpayment monies) to offset any further losses in the (I) Fund. Even
if a rebound occurs in the US, it will soon be payback time. So my gut is
telling me, the (I) Fund will equal the EAFE Index or simply underperform.


YTD O/D FOR ALL TSP FUNDS

(C) Fund vs. the SPX = 0.2076 TSP Cent Overpayment or +1.57%
(S) Fund vs.. DWCPF = 0.3693 TSP Cent Overpayment or +2.21%
(I) .Fund vs. the EFA = 0.4262 TSP Cent Overpayment or +2.39%:mad:

DAILY (I) FUND VS. EFA O/D TRACKING RESULTS:

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(8/18/08) +0.0903% -0.3882 tsp cents
(8/19/08) -0.4733% -0.2878 tsp cents
(8/20/08) -0.1002% -0.2692 tsp cents
(8/21/08) -0.1488% -0.2401 tsp cents
(8/22/08) +0.0729% -0.2561 tsp cents
WEEKLY..-0.5591% -0.1154 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(8/25/08) +0.7622% -0.4063 tsp cents
(8/26/08) -0.4230% -0.3220 tsp cents
(8/27/08) -0.5610% -0.2106 tsp cents
(8/28/08) +0.3609% -0.2877 tsp cents
(8/29/08) +0.2044% -0.3291 tsp cents
WEEKLY +0.3435% +0.0730 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/01/08) FEDERAL HOLIDAY
(9/02/08) +0.6546% -0.4584 tsp cents
(9/03/08) -0.8790% -0.2772 tsp cents
(9/04/08) +0.6018% -0.3826 tsp cents
(9/05/08) -0.5642% -0.2717 tsp cents
WEEKLY -0.1868% -0.0574 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/08/08) +0.1989% -0.3171 tsp cents
(9/09/08) +0.0157% -0.3098 tsp cents
(9/10/08) -0.1535% -0.2831 tsp cents
(9/11/08) -0.1739% -0.2491 tsp cents
(9/12/08) -0.3907% -0.1778 tsp cents
WEEKLY -0.3685% -0.0939 tsp cents

......DATE.....DLY % DIFF.....YTD TSP CENTS.....
(9/15/08) +0.8638% -0.3323 tsp cents
(9/16/08) -0.2278% -0.2873 tsp cents
(9/17/08) +0.8268% -0.4262 tsp cents:mad:


THE KEY:
------------------------------------------------- WE OWE THEM ----
- .6000 thru -.4000 High Overpayment (Rarely Goes Higher):mad:
- .4000 thru -.3000 Meduim Overpayment, (Flip A Coin)
- .3000 thru -.2000 Low Overpayment (Goal is Met)
- .2000 thru -.1000 (Not Seen Too Often)
- .1000 thru -.0000 (Not Seen For Over 2 Months)
-------------------------------------------------- THEY OWE US ----
+.0000 thru+.1000 Low Deficit (Goal is Met)
+.1000 thru+.1500 Medium Deficit (Flip A Coin)
+.1500 thru+.2500 High Deficit (Rarely Goes Lower)
+.2500 thru+.3000 Windfall Coming !
---------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Even the (F) Fund experienced a loss today. This comes as no big surprise
as the (F) had a Overpayment of +0.6463% yesterday. Today the Fund
Manager took back -0.4581% to level the playing field against the AGG.
The possibility of a rebound exists within the US Market and the (F) is
Overpaid by 3.26% in comparison to the AGG. Its been hovering around
3.15%-2.95% for a couple of weeks now. Prior, it fell around 2.55%. Just
as many of us have said recently, this fund is just too hard to predict.
However, if things continue as they are, this is the only fund that can
even think about beating the (G) Fund. I'm in the (F) but only by a small
percentage and don't believe the amount I've invested can shake my
world too badly in either case. I'm looking for a few extra pennies in the
midst of chaos.

YTD IDX returns: YTD TSP returns: YTD SB current returns:
SPX= -21.25%.....C=... -19.97%....-04.76% (my figures):blink:
DW.=-17.28%.....S=... -15.49%....
EFA= -29.67%.....I=.... -27.89%...
AGG=-00.34%.....F=....+02.99%...
...........................G=...+02.73%...

MTD IDX returns: MTD TSP returns: MTD SB current returns:
SPX= -09.99%.....C=... -09.88%....-05.33% (my figures):blink:
DW.=-10.51%.....S=... -09.84%....
EFA= -13.72%.....I=.....-12.94%...
AGG=+00.09%.....F=... +00.80%...
...........................G=...+00.18%..
 
Bear,

Well, I completed my "suicide dive" backflip into the stock funds today. I got off the lilly pad and went in 50% COB yesterday (turned out not a particularly good day to do so), and dollar-costed down the other 50% COB today. With so much "blood in the streets" and the VIX spiking, I'm hoping for a good interim bounce. I hope I don't get KO'd, with more bad, bad news coming out seemingly every day. Good luck.

I hope so too my friend. But one would have to ask; What would be the
catayst ? Economic News ? Earnings ? The Fed ? The Treasurey Dept ?
Maybe the oversold conditions could result in a rebound of sorts. But
that would take Confidence in the Financial Structure of this country and
that (I'm sorry to say) has been shaken and not stirred (J.Bond reference)
to the very core of its foundation. From the bottom of my heart, I wish
you nothing but "Green". Just remember, it could go lower (much lower).:confused:
 
I hope so too my friend. But one would have to ask; What would be the
catayst ? Economic News ? Earnings ? The Fed ? The Treasurey Dept ?
Maybe the oversold conditions could result in a rebound of sorts. But
that would take Confidence in the Financial Structure of this country and
that (I'm sorry to say) has been shaken and not stirred (J.Bond reference)
to the very core of its foundation. From the bottom of my heart, I wish
you nothing but "Green". Just remember, it could go lower (much lower).:confused:

Agree. I think it ultimately will. Back in about February I predicted that about 1150 or so would be the bottom - it seems likely that it will be much lower, maybe in the 1000 or so range. I'm only hoping for a short-term oversold bounce for now.
 
I see 1150 holding on the S&P at the end of the day tomorrow.

See my other post below. I don't post much, but the powder is dry and ready to be put to good use.

CBOE Volatility or Pain/Panic Index currently 36 Buy between 40 and 45 based on the
historical figures below:
The Vix reached high of 40 in 2002 Recession (24 percent S&P loss)
The vix reached high of 45 in 1998 Recession (28 percent S&P loss)
However...beware that VIX reached much loftier heights such as
The vix reached high of 150 in 1987 crash (24 percent S&P loss
in a much shorter period of time)

1932 Stock Market Crash:
This is the grand daddy of them all. Investors lost 86% of their money over this 813 day beast.
This market crash combined with the 1929 crash, makes up the great depression.
If you had $1000 on 9/3/1929 (beginning of the 4th worst crash, it would have gone down to a
whopping $108.14 by July 8th, 1932 (end of the worst crash) or an 89.2% loss. To recover from
a loss like that, you would have to watch your portfolio go up 825%! The full recovery didn't
take place until 1954, 22 years later!
Worst Stock Market Crash Ever:
Date Started: 4/17/1930
Date Ended: 7/8/1932
Total Days: 813
Starting DJIA: 294.07
Ending DJIA: 41.22
Total Loss: -86.0%

Good signs...a sense of dire markets conditions and mauling bear consensus appears to be a reverse
signal for possible short term bounce. Short term bounce is likely within 1-2 market days????

Bad signs...FED ask for more money to be raised to help in keeping markets stable. Buyouts and
bailouts have continue to draw down the federal reserves capital. A sense that more bailouts
on the way.

Bad...More banks appear to be in trouble and expanding to all aspects of the banking and insurance
industries.

Bad...Downward momentum in the financial banking structure is accelerating and panic selling is
increasing.

I've been in the S&P for over 19 years...this bank situation is getting really scary. However...
greed is powerful and bank P/E are now around 12-15 compared to January 2008 P/E of 22.

Even though the value of bank assets currently undergoing scrutiny, historically bank P/E 's are now
getting to their 10-year average. The only cheap banks appear to be the Regional Banks with current
P/E of around 7.5. Otherwise...appears bigger banks could still see some downside from current 12-15
down to my horror estimates around 9-10.

So, with all this knowledge in hand, I would rate the short term, a decent buy on oversold conditions, but some downside risk is
still evident in the financial sector which will carryover to other financial limbs.

In recessions like this one, we could see a 4-7 percent bounce. I would have given more but the outlook is so cloudy. I don't see
anything higher. What do ya'll think? I'm thinking about getting in on Thursday. I might miss a rally on Thursday but I see a two day rally.
Looking for a magic ball to give me an answer. I'll accept any help to change my mind.

S&P 1150 appears to be good for my health. If it holds...look for a two day rally. :)
 
I might miss a rally on Thursday but I see a
two day rally. Looking for a magic ball to give me an answer. I'll accept
any help to change my mind.

FTC, I don't believe anyone should try to change your mind. But many
of us won't hesitate to tell you what we'd do (or not do). That is what
makes this place so special. Anyway, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND!:laugh:

On the serious side, thanks for that breakdown. Its good to see that
there are a few Detailed Oriented Writers left in this world. ;)

With concerns to the Market, the US Futures are slightly mixed on
both sides of the isle. Europe isn't open, but the World Markets are
down between -3.63% and -7.28%. The snowball has started to roll
downhill and I believe it will take a miracle to stop it. I also believe
that we can learn from the past, but this ain't grandpop's market
anymore. The Global Economy is being severely tested right now
and it's not winning. Considering the 9% thru 10% drop we've seen
this month (Sept), one might very well expect some kind of rally or
rebound to occur. It all comes down to your Risk Tolerance vs. your
Reward Expectations. For me (too close to retirement) the downside
is a bottomless pit for my personal position and tolerance. Anyone who
takes on this Market in its current condition has two things going for
them. Titanium balls and the ability to overcome the wrong decision.
I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I think its clear what I will
not do. What ever your decision, I humbly wish you the best of luck! :worried:
 
I'm afraid we are going to print too much money we don't have. This could have disasterous outcomes for our country.

What would happen if people traded treasuries for Gold and/or Oil? You think interest rates going up would be very good?

I really, really think these calls of "the housing bottom is near" are really foolish. First, credit markets are LOCKED UP. Second, we have a record supply of unsold homes. Third, it's harder to get a loan and how many people who are currently in apartments can even muster up the 3.5% down or whatever it is?

Oh and BTW...the recession is just starting as jobless claims rise.

I am not concerned about missing a rally over the next couple weeks. Anyone participating in a rally will eventually get slaughtered.
 
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