Silverbird's Account Talk

[CountryBoy]

Sorry to hear you travails Silverbird, but I can relate as our house is also vintage 70's and have been thru very similiar stuff with plumbing and wiring also... wasn't that the beginning of the era of drugs, sex and rock and roll? At least in college during that time it was for me. :nuts:

CB

 

[WorkFE]

I can relate Silverbird.
My wife and I owned a home in Buffalo, KY. Still had knob and tube electric in the attic. Home was built in 1878. You should have seen my electricians expression when I had him over to do a job.

 

[Silverbird]

I can relate Silverbird.
My wife and I owned a home in Buffalo, KY. Still had knob and tube electric in the attic. Home was built in 1878. You should have seen my electricians expression when I had him over to do a job.

Actually, I bet he was impressed, that electrical box still worked! The only big problem would be if one of those tubes burned out or was damaged. They are made of hand-blown glass and can't be found anywhere.

 

[WorkFE]

If I recall, it was determined that it was not hot anymore.
But made for some good conversation.

 

[kar_crazy]

Ok, changed my new contributions to 60% S, 40%C, those are only new contributions, NOT an IFT. Over 99% of my TSP account is still safe in G.

For those of you wondering what's been up with me...warning, here comes a rant.

[rant on]
So, I thought I was buying a new dishwasher this weekend!

Unfortunately the plumbing in our vintage '70's house is fun and educational. :blink: The installer informed me that the water valve to the dishwasher is not only far too close to the cabinet wall to easily work with, the existing copper water input pipe is soldered in, not put on with connectors, so you can't take it out temporarily to get it to fit around the dishwasher or replace it with braided steel (unless you take apart the cabinets - welding torches are fun and educational too, especially next to a wooden cabinet wall) Can you say, cabinets built around plumbing?? arrgh. The whole house has...interesting plumbing, I know, I've worked on it. There was all too much "make it fit!". So to have the appliance guy put in the dishwasher, I'll have to call a plumber and get a new valve installed first. Sigh.

Oh, and the floor on one side of the dishwasher opening is too high, there are 4 layers of vintage vinyl on the floor. Countertop: true and flat. Floor, nice slope smart guys! I may be able to remove some of the layers in the general area, then it *might* work. Sigh.
[/rant off] sigh

housing headaches < i had a carpenter install dishwasher leaked everywhere i mean everywhere we had water turned off outside so i pulled old faucets in bathrooms,lucky me:worried:, he did not know and turned on water and left you can imagine most of if not all carpet was wet by the morning when i made it by, now the dishwasher does not drain (argue) and i hope to rent next month, tomorrow i am going to do all i can to get dishwasher to drain , its a good thing i was installing new carpet ,oh yeah i tried to keep all paperwork to all new apliances but somehow i cant find these for dishwasher deep breath and hope it is almost over for now , now pray big time for a good renter, plumber cost to much for me i am hoping big time i can figure this one out

 

[kar_crazy]

whew

 

[Silverbird]

hrmm. ok, it's not draining at all or is there a little water on the bottom?

Not draining at all, you will want to put a container underneath and dis-engage the waste water hose or you will have a not so nice smell next. Sigh, maybe there's a kink in the waste water line...? There is a clamp attaching the waste water line to the dishwasher. Do not take off the clamp, just get it off the hose - check on diy sites on how to do this.

However, a little water in the bottom is needed for some dishwashers - the gaskets need to be kept wet. So if you see some water on the bottom of your dishwasher, it's normal. If you only use it once a week or something of that sort and the water gets stagnant, run the short cycle with a little dishwasher detergent.

If you are looking for the installation and instructions for your dishwasher, you should be able to find it online on the manufacturer's web site. If you are talking about the purchase order...well...
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Hrrm...looked under the sink again, ok the input pipe wasn't soldered on, there is a connector. But the hole between the dishwasher and the sink cabinet is just exactly big enough to stuff the waste water pipe, and the water input lines for both the dishwaser and the refridgerator. Good luck trying to put the dishwasher input line back in, especially if you want to use braided steel instead of copper....sigh. And the valve is right next to the cabinet wall. Brought to me by the same genius who put in a hot water line for the sink that needs to be 10 inches longer than the one for the cold water (how do I know? found out when I replaced the faucet).
I'm afraid to find out how much it is for the plumber because of the amount of work involved. I don't want to have to pay another $500+ for the plumbing job on top of the price of the dishwasher. Still hoping to find out a way to DIY it, but that may not be possible.

 

[Silverbird]

BTW Kar, I reccomend buying the Black and Decker Complete Photo guide to Home Repair (big red book) if you need a manual for home repair. It's a lifesaver.

 

[KevinD]

Hrrm...looked under the sink again, ok the input pipe wasn't soldered on, there is a connector. But the hole between the dishwasher and the sink cabinet is just exactly big enough to stuff the waste water pipe, and the water input lines for both the dishwaser and the refridgerator.

<snip>

I don't want to have to pay another $500+ for the plumbing job on top of the price of the dishwasher. Still hoping to find out a way to DIY it, but that may not be possible.

Take some pics and post 'em. It doesn't sound that bad. I bet you can do this...

 

[nnuut]

Seems to me that the plummer just might want to buy a new truck with the profits from your instillation?
1. Remove interference until there's room to get the job done. Under the counter you won't see it or it can be covered after the repair. Make that hole bigger!
2. Crooks are everywhere!!
3. A good plummer can solder in almost any place that's what WET RAGS are for.
4. A picture would tell the story.

I've installed 3 dishwashers and it's not that hard. I did have to replace all of the pipes under the sink once but it was old stuff and needed upgrading. Nothing to it with the PVC. And I did have copper feed lines and a copper drain on all of them.

 

[Silverbird]

Ok, here goes....bada bing bada boom! The valve to the dishwasher was put in so high that installing almost all of the dishwashers out there now would necessitate moving the valve downward. Why was it put in so high? Because the below sink cabinet floor is higher than usual too, as it is, the valve nearly touches the cabinet floor.

Unless I want to not only move the valve but also put in a new cabinet with a lower floor underneath the sink, my best move was to buy my second choice in dishwasher and eat the re-shelving cost of my first choice. So I get a Kenmore recommended by Consumer reports and consumersearch reviews not the also recommended Bosch I originally wanted to buy. The kenmore is the upgrade to the one I have now which is why it's a perfect fit. The original lasted at least 20 years and could even be original install so I can't fault it. I just liked the Bosch's features and construction better (note to self - do not lose the screw off cap to the rinse aid dispenser) - but not enough to a buy a new piece of cabinetry.

I am going to do the install myself since I need to do some patching on the floor underneath - someone cut a hole to the base floor through a stack of vinyl flooring in order to force the old dishwasher in and I want to replace the hose to the air gap and the copper pipe to the new dishwasher (I think someone ran the old one over with the dishwasher ). It's also an easier install than the Bosch. Dishwasher shows up on Friday, wish me luck this weekend.

 

[Steadygain]

Ok, here goes....bada bing bada boom!

Thanks I like the sound of that... will put it to music.

The valve to the dishwasher was put in so high that installing almost all of the dishwashers out there now would necessitate moving the valve downward. Why was it put in so high? Because the below sink cabinet floor is higher than usual too, as it is, the valve nearly touches the cabinet floor.

My life must be somewhat lacking. If you only knew how many times I've visualized 3 or 4 floorings on top of one another. I say this because I'm so use to stripping the walls and floors down to plaster and wood. Amazing how it can work for 'that one appliance' but don't worry 20 years from now it's someone else's problem.

Unless I want to not only move the valve but also put in a new cabinet with a lower floor underneath the sink, my best move was to buy my second choice in dishwasher and eat the re-shelving cost of my first choice. So I get a Kenmore recommended by Consumer reports and consumersearch reviews not the also recommended Bosch I originally wanted to buy.

That is very smart - and the right order in making sure you get the most for the money.

The kenmore is the upgrade to the one I have now which is why it's a perfect fit. The original lasted at least 20 years and could even be original install so I can't fault it.

Sounds like things are turning out a lot better. Had a kenmore washer that lasted at least 25 years.

I just liked the Bosch's features and construction better (note to self - do not lose the screw off cap to the rinse aid dispenser) - but not enough to a buy a new piece of cabinetry.

It sounds kind of classy - like Jen Air and Kitchen Aid

I am going to do the install myself since I need to do some patching on the floor underneath - someone cut a hole to the base floor through a stack of vinyl flooring in order to force the old dishwasher in and I want to replace the hose to the air gap and the copper pipe to the new dishwasher (I think someone ran the old one over with the dishwasher ). It's also an easier install than the Bosch. Dishwasher shows up on Friday, wish me luck this weekend.

I do wish you the very best. I'd say you'll save hundreds by installing it yourself. Since it's a kenmore it should be an easier installment. With your energy and determination there is NO WAY you will fail. In a few weeks when you look back on this you will be proud of your accomplishments.

Someday... if anyone ever drops by my home...almost everything we have has been changed, upgraded, restored...and doing it yourself means you know it's right.

GOOD LUCK and thanks for the update.

 

[nnuut]

If a Kenmore will do the job without the modifications to EVERYTHING, thats the way to go. Isn't this a new unit? Kind of a wast of money if it is though. Sure wish I could take a look at the configuration. :worried:

 

[poolman]

Ok, here goes....bada bing bada boom! The valve to the dishwasher was put in so high that installing almost all of the dishwashers out there now would necessitate moving the valve downward. Why was it put in so high? Because the below sink cabinet floor is higher than usual too, as it is, the valve nearly touches the cabinet floor.

Unless I want to not only move the valve but also put in a new cabinet with a lower floor underneath the sink, my best move was to buy my second choice in dishwasher and eat the re-shelving cost of my first choice. So I get a Kenmore recommended by Consumer reports and consumersearch reviews not the also recommended Bosch I originally wanted to buy. The kenmore is the upgrade to the one I have now which is why it's a perfect fit. The original lasted at least 20 years and could even be original install so I can't fault it. I just liked the Bosch's features and construction better (note to self - do not lose the screw off cap to the rinse aid dispenser) - but not enough to a buy a new piece of cabinetry.

I am going to do the install myself since I need to do some patching on the floor underneath - someone cut a hole to the base floor through a stack of vinyl flooring in order to force the old dishwasher in and I want to replace the hose to the air gap and the copper pipe to the new dishwasher (I think someone ran the old one over with the dishwasher ). It's also an easier install than the Bosch. Dishwasher shows up on Friday, wish me luck this weekend.

Silverbird,

If you need any help or assistance on your Dishwasher Install PM me.

Copper Pipe plumbing is no problem for me. Shut the water off, Drain the system and replumb.. I do it all the time in my house. I've had 2 copper pipe leaks in the last 2 month's.

I'll give you the TSP Discount.

 

[nasa1974]

Silverbird,

If you are somewhat handy the install should not be too much of a problem. I would recommend an installation kit either from
Sears or BBY (Best Buy). BBY sells the kit for $27.99. It has various fittings for the water valve, a stainless steal hose to attach between the valve and the dishwasher (this way the dishwasher does not have to be all the way into the opening and it is more flexable than a copper line) and a 4-6 foor cord to attach to the dishwasher. There are only three wires coming out of the electrical box of the dishwasher. Some dishwashers are hard wired to the electrical source others are plugged into an outlet. Make sure all you water connections are snug. You do not want a water leak because it will ruin your floor. Hope this helps. Good luck.

 

[Steadygain]

Silverbird,
Is the new dishwasher in and did everything work out okay??

 

[Silverbird]

Not yet. It appers there is a difference between a 3/8" NPT elbow and a 3/8" OD elbow so I bought the wrong inlet elbow (hey it worked on the 3/8" OD copper pipe end, it just doesn't screw into the dishwasher end, which wants 3/8" NPT - which appears to be 5/8" OD), and the "dishwasher hose" I bought to connect the disposal to the air gap is the wrong size - instead it's the one to go from the dishwasher to the disposal unit. I *think* I need a 7/8" rubber tubing. :embarrest: So I'll be out shopping again. Plus the prep (especially the floor: removing extra flooring layers and adding moisture barrier was a pain) took a day. So....I think I'll have it next weekend. Just don't have time during the weekdays.

OD- outer diameter, NPT seems to be a measurement for threads. And my husband has NO idea what I'm talking about with these different dimentions...as if I knew.

 

[Steadygain]

Not yet. It appers there is a difference between a 3/8" NPT elbow and a 3/8" OD elbow so I bought the wrong inlet elbow (hey it worked on the 3/8" OD copper pipe end, it just doesn't screw into the dishwasher end, which wants 3/8" NPT - which appears to be 5/8" OD), and the "dishwasher hose" I bought to connect the disposal to the air gap is the wrong size - instead it's the one to go from the dishwasher to the disposal unit. I *think* I need a 7/8" rubber tubing. :embarrest: So I'll be out shopping again. Plus the prep (especially the floor: removing extra flooring layers and adding moisture barrier was a pain) took a day. So....I think I'll have it next weekend. Just don't have time during the weekdays.

OD- outer diameter, NPT seems to be a measurement for threads. And my husband has NO idea what I'm talking about with these different dimentions...as if I knew.

I'm sorry to say I chuckeled and this brought a smile to my face BUT PLEASE don't take that wrong.

How many times I went into a project thinking it would only take an hour....

It's also amazing how once you tackel a project like this you remember this and that (for the next time...) but they are usually a one time deal. Hmmm it seems to me with years of experience as a plumber - welder - contractor - and electrician - your husband knows more than he's leading on...

 

[Silverbird]

I'm sorry to say I chuckeled and this brought a smile to my face BUT PLEASE don't take that wrong.

How many times I went into a project thinking it would only take an hour....

It's also amazing how once you tackel a project like this you remember this and that (for the next time...) but they are usually a one time deal. Hmmm it seems to me with years of experience as a plumber - welder - contractor - and electrician - your husband knows more than he's leading on...

That comment was supposed to be tongue firmly in cheek. Glad you got a chuckle.

He's got the outside work, I specialize in wavy line grass cutting, and I have a poor sense of balance, which makes roof work extra fun...and he does the grocery shopping. I try to control the inside of the roost. :toung:

Today, the usual contribution thing this paycheck, it will not change my allocation because it's only adds tenths of a percent to my total investment in C and S.

 

[Steadygain]

Chirp..chirp

I'm just looking for a cozy little get away - so thought I'd stop by.


I'm missing ya Silverbird :worried:

Hope everything's okay.

Steady