Sarah Palin?

[tsptalk]

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Shows, at the moment, a 14% chance of Palin dropping out, and only a 38% chance of a McCain victory, according to traders of such futures.

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I should have bought McCain in December, but I'd be taking profits here. I'll buy on a pullback.

Hillary was the big favorite several months ago.

I remember back in early 2000, I took Bush at 2-1 (Gore was less than 1-2 at the time). I didn't know much about Bush back then, but I remember thinking, who would vote for Gore? Turns out about 50% of the country did, but I made some money when he fell short.

 

[JTH]

Here's my source:

"Later that morning, John McCain departed for Phoenix and Governor Palin departed with staff to Flagstaff, Arizona. Governor Palin, Kris Perry, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter proceeded to the Manchester Inn and Conference Center in Middleton, Ohio. They were checked into the hotel as the Upton Family. While there, Governor Palin’s children, who had been told they were going to Ohio to celebrate their parents’ wedding anniversary, were told for the first time that their mother would be a nominee for Vice President of the United States of America."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/29/1307122.aspx

If Gov Palin didn't discuss the consequences of pursuing the Vice Presidency with Bristol BEFORE accepting the slot, she's just an opportunist willing to sacrifice her child to her ambition. If she did, then the story needs to be rebutted, directly.

The "grandmother" rumor was reported anonymously in the Daily Kos and seems to have been debunked. I was just having fun with this wild, crazy, and rapidly changing story.

However, seriously, "why" did McCain pick Palin? Surely, there were better Republican women available. For example Olympia Snow - she's a maverick, experienced, and highly respected.

Furthermore, "why" did Gov. Palin accept? She seems like she has a lot on her plate with TrooperGate, a handicapped baby, two other young children, a son in Iraq, and a pregnant, unwed daughter.

Why go through all of this drama? I just don't get it. ----Jim

Since when do you consult your kids before taking a job? Last I checked the parents are in charge. Besides, her daughter will be 18 soon and won't have to live in the White House.

As for your last sentence, it comes off sounding sexist. We all have problems in life and we deal with them.

 

[SkyPilot]

Furthermore, "why" did Gov. Palin accept? She seems like she has a lot on her plate with TrooperGate, a handicapped baby, two other young children, a son in Iraq, and a pregnant, unwed daughter.

Why go through all of this drama? I just don't get it. ----Jim

Troopergate? Are you serious? Surely you would not want to resurrect a term relating to the use of "troopers" in Little Rock, Arkansas during the Clinton years?

You make some assumptions not based on fact as the article you reference doesn't even attempt to make the point that this issue had not been discussed as a family.

It only speaks to the issue of when the final decision had been made and the manner by which it was finally revealed to the family. Careful with your isogesis.

But on to your larger assertion.

So, to be eligible you must not have family complications, not have any controversies surrounding your public service, and have no situations that produce drama? Which individual would then qualify?

Even if there is none, the media seem quite capable of inventing smear and slander, to which you point to as a point of humor. Bad form indeed.

Your standard would then disqualify Obama as he has young children, a working spouse and a half brother living in poverty? This list could be developed further.

How about all of these candidates are responding to a call to service that goes beyond personal self interest, and are willing to make the sacrifice for public service?

To ask this question of Gov. Palin and not ask it of the male candidates seems a bit disingenuous. If you are just opposed to Gov. Palin because of a political position, make your case.

But to presume that one can judge her viability based on her family situation is a bit fatuous. Her family issues are more likely to make her an "everywoman", and appeal to the more populist among us. She is an imperfect person, much like the rest of us.

Attack her policies and positions, her record and experience. But to go to her family as a quallifier? Really, we are above this rhetoric.

While not an advocate of the Obama candidacy, I have directly defended his right to run for office, and have admonished my co-workers who have made these slanderous and shameful attacks on him.

Obama has called these areas off limits, good advice we should all pay attention to.

 

[roskopfm]

Sarah is going to eat Joe Biden alive in a debate. I cant wait, she is what the republican party needs. She is like McCain, straight shooter and puts country above party unlike biased Obama.

 

[SkyPilot]

Sarah is going to eat Joe Biden alive in a debate. I cant wait, she is what the republican party needs. She is like McCain, straight shooter and puts country above party unlike biased Obama.

She will have to learn a lot fast, as Biden has quite a base to work from. It would be a mistake to under estimate Biden's ability to debate and make his points.

 

[JTH]

I don't think she will eat his lunch. If she gets a draw or a little less, it will be a win. Nobody has high standards for her so the bar is set very low. I don't think she will choke, she's quick witted and shoots from the hip very well.

 

[Steadygain]

Children! Children! So much fuss. My gosh, I go to bed and a world war breaks out.

Let me tell you a little about Sarah: She is a whole lot like Luv2read; lots of drive, very focused, knows what she believes and is more than willing to set the record straight. She is from the heart and you don't need years of political GARBAGE to be qualified to run for office. What you need more than anything else is the right heart and mind and the determination to set the example and make a difference.

If we believe ONE is "right" for the job - there is no need to BASH the other. Everytime we BASH a canidate "we simply reflect our bias and prejudice views" against a particular Party, Gender, Race, Religion..... But in the end we do nothing more than convince everyone else that we are strongly biased against a particular person because they are "in our eyes" this or that.

So let me express my biased view - without BASHING anyone else. Sarah represents everything I could hope for in a leader; by the way she has lived her life, and by her own convictions on various topics that are important to me. So she has my full support.

 

[Guest2]

In the past, some Vice Presidents sat in the background to the point of
the American people forgetting his name. Based on the Constitutional
Powers of the elected, the Chain of Command is vital to this nations
future security. I do NOT want (8) more years of Union Busting, Doing
More With Less In A Prison Environment and Higher Health Care
Premiums. (I don't think McCain is a Bush clone). But to weigh in on the
VP nomination and overall discussion, I've come to say;

I'D RATHER HAVE;
"A strongly experienced President watching out for a weaker and less experienced Vice President"

I'D RATHER NOT HAVE;
"A Strongly experienced Vice President watching out for a weaker and less experienced President."

I want a change in Government as much as the next guy. But my kind of
change is as realistic as wishing for a McCain/Biden ticket. :blink:

 

[tsptalk]

So let me express my biased view - without BASHING anyone else.

Much appreciated Staedy. I would hope we're all doing that. If this discussion gets out of hand, will someone please let me know? So far it seems pretty clean with the occasional jab, but that's OK. It's the right crosses and left hooks I'm worried about. Thanks!

 

[SkyPilot]

Children! Children! So much fuss. My gosh, I go to bed and a world war breaks out.

Actually, this has been quite civil compared to many other discussion over the years. Anyone remember Market Timer? :nuts:

 

[Spaf]

I had a mom, kind of like Mrs. Palin. If it wasen't for her I would have been up the creek without a paddle. I was 18 and young to.

 

[rokid]

It doesn't appear that I'm changing any minds with my snarky arguments. :laugh:

I continue to be amazed how we all, including myself, see events through our own personal filters and project what we want to project on our favored candidates. I see unqualified, opportunistic, being-used career woman and you see highly qualified, tough, multi-tasking every-mom.

It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.-----Jim

P.S. I was, and still am, for Hillary.

 

[SkyPilot]

It doesn't appear that I'm changing any minds with my snarky arguments. :laugh:

I continue to be amazed how we all, including myself, see events through our own personal filters and project what we want to project on our favored candidates. I see unqualified, opportunistic, being-used career woman and you see highly qualified, tough, multi-tasking every-mom.

It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.-----Jim

P.S. I was, and still am, for Hillary.

"unqualified, opportunistic, being-used career woman"

Many would see Hillary in this same light.

However, before this is all done, I would not be suprised to see Hillary come to Gov. Palin's defense much as Geraldine Ferrarro has. All women in politics loose if these smears are allowed to stand unchallenged, as this can easily become the accepted standard. And remember, Hillary will likely run again in four years.

It would be to Sen. Clinton's credit and favor to stand along side Sen. Obama and call for an end to these unwarranted personal smear tactics. While Clinton and Palin have vastly different views on issues, they share a great many interests and experiences, including the sexist attacks they have suffered as they attempt to breach the male dominated political bastions.

And yes, my mother found herself in the situation Briston Palin is now in as well. I wonder how many who have been touched by this family situation will consider Gov. Palin as a sympathetic figure as they can now relate to a previously unknown candidate. The radical left who have promoted these smears are doing their candidate no great favors. Backlash is steadily building, and if Gov. Palin comports herself well tonight in her speech, she has the potential to hand this back with a devestating result, and find many friends where there were no before.

 

[tsptalk]

Actually, this has been quite civil compared to many other discussion over the years.

Absolutely. As we've grown and got to know each other over the years, I think we've learned to respect the opinions of the other members. It has turned into a great board and that's why we can have discussions such as these. Those that can't get along with others either leave, or get booted.

 

[Guest2]

Those that can't get along with others either leave, or get booted.

I've got extra cuffs and CS when needed Tom ! :toung:
The "Boot" is now considered abuse in my line of work ! :laugh:

 

[luv2read]

I've got extra cuffs and CS when needed Tom ! :toung:
The "Boot" is now considered abuse in my line of work ! :laugh:

would those be pink velvet cuffs for the ladies?:nuts:

 

[Guest2]

would those be pink velvet cuffs for the ladies?

As you wish, my dear ! But you'll have to settle for Blue or Black.
We don't do Pink (kinda,,,,Sorta). Black and Blue sends the message :nuts:

 

[luv2read]

As you wish, my dear ! But you'll have to settle for Blue or Black.
We don't do Pink (kinda,,,,Sorta). Black and Blue sends the message :nuts:

Maybe we can get some from Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona!:toung:

Pink underwear
One of Arpaio's most visible public relations successes was the introduction of pink underwear, which the Maricopa County Sheriff's website cites as being "world famous."[18] Arpaio has claimed that that traditional white underwear, labeled with Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, was being smuggled out of the jails and sold on the streets, and he thus had the underwear dyed pink, believing that pink is not considered a "macho" color, and would not be stolen.
Arpaio subsequently started to sell customized pink boxers (with the Maricopa County Sheriff's logo and "Go Joe") as a fund-raiser for Sheriff's Posse Association. Despite allegations of misuse of funds received from these sales, Arpaio declined to provide an accounting for the money [19].
Arpaio's success in gaining press coverage with the pink underwear resulted in him extending the use of the color. He introduced pink handcuffs, using the event to promote his book, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, America's Toughest Sheriff. [20]. Later, Arpaio ordered that sheets, socks, towels, and other fabric items be dyed pink.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Pink_underwear

 

[Silverbird]

I think Sarah Palin is a perfect example of a neo-conservative, and I respect her for walking the walk, as well as talking the talk. If I was a neo-conservative, she would be everything I'm looking for. So although I myself would have preferred Huckabee, he's probably too much into forgiveness and compassion. Romney thrives on confrontation so he would not make a good vice president. So, if I was a neo-con evangelical, Sarah Palin be the exact candidate I'd like to see. Since I'm not, well, sorry, not interested, she's about my age, hunts (I fish), and a is working mother but in voting substance should come before style.

 

[CountryBoy]

I think Sarah Palin is a perfect example of a neo-conservative, and I respect her for walking the walk, as well as talking the talk. If I was a neo-conservative, she would be everything I'm looking for. So although I myself would have preferred Huckabee, he's probably too much into forgiveness and compassion. Romney thrives on confrontation so he would not make a good vice president. So, if I was a neo-con evangelical, Sarah Palin be the exact candidate I'd like to see. Since I'm not, well, sorry, not interested, she's about my age, hunts (I fish), and a is working mother but in voting substance should come before style.

I'm not a neo-con evangelical, just a student of 54 years of life and experience and she works for me on most things, although everyone's not perfect. Our choices are very often learned from life experiences, maturity, family and family values/morals/ethics up bringing. Although I came from an extended family of yellow dawg dems, and I'm kinda the black sheep. :nuts: they don't have hardly any beliefsor morals of the current lefties, but they'll pull that one lever. Muscle memory I guess. They just won't admit that their party has changed around them.

Keeping it civil, so SB won't bring out those cuffs.

CB