McDuck's Post about 2008 Election

[fabijo]

Re: Greg's Post about 2008 Election

lol :laugh:

 

[Buster]

Re: Greg's Post about 2008 Election

I hope to Allah that Obama wins..this way we smart ones can sit back and say 'I told ya so" suckers, now you have to live with him for at least the next four years....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHa

 

[fabijo]

Re: Greg's Post about 2008 Election

That is pure junk. You must get all your info from Al Jazeera like fabijo.

yup. That's where I get ALL my info.

 

[McDuck]

Re: Greg's Post about 2008 Election

+1

I too, am an intelligent, American Citizen and use my intellect to cast my vote. My intellect tells me there were never Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, but the focus has now shifted to "We're there because of the Terrorists". This administration has shifted the blame and failed to see the original intent on responding to 9-11, IMO, due in part by GW's disguised intent to finish the Saddam Hussein issue his father encountered. Afghanistan was, and still is the real issue, but to say that aloud in some circles would portray me as UNamerican and UNpatriotic.....McCarthyism at it's worst....but played out by many over the last 5 years for enrichment of their motives and objectives, however skewed.

If Bush had been as "Friendly" with Monica, it certainly would've been a better choice than what he has displayed as what I consider one of the WORST presidents to ever "Grace (?)" the White House.

He should've never left Texas, but that's moot at this point.

McCain....well, that says it all. Even some of those in the most conservative side of his party have dire reservations of his 'strange choice' of Veeps.

McCain would be better than Bush, and neither is as good as OBama.
But, beware of the Bubba Vote.

That is pure junk. You must get all your info from Al Jazeera like fabijo.

 

[The HalfBreed]

Re: Greg's Post about 2008 Election

Its interesting CB, that I am using the same exact measuring stick to decide my vote. It just takes me to the other side. I just really can't dissociate McCain from Bush at all. The man has >90% voting record with Bush, why would you think he would do anything different in office than Bush did?

+1

I too, am an intelligent, American Citizen and use my intellect to cast my vote. My intellect tells me there were never Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, but the focus has now shifted to "We're there because of the Terrorists". This administration has shifted the blame and failed to see the original intent on responding to 9-11, IMO, due in part by GW's disguised intent to finish the Saddam Hussein issue his father encountered. Afghanistan was, and still is the real issue, but to say that aloud in some circles would portray me as UNamerican and UNpatriotic.....McCarthyism at it's worst....but played out by many over the last 5 years for enrichment of their motives and objectives, however skewed.

If Bush had been as "Friendly" with Monica, it certainly would've been a better choice than what he has displayed as what I consider one of the WORST presidents to ever "Grace (?)" the White House.

He should've never left Texas, but that's moot at this point.

McCain....well, that says it all. Even some of those in the most conservative side of his party have dire reservations of his 'strange choice' of Veeps.

McCain would be better than Bush, and neither is as good as OBama.
But, beware of the Bubba Vote.

 

[VirginiaBob]

Re: Greg's Post about 2008 Election

With a Democrat controlled house and Senate, I see no problems with McCain siding against them and vetoing everything they do. We these morons (on both sides of the aisle), no action by our government is the best course of action. The problem with McCain though is that he won't oppose them enough, but at lease he will oppose them more than Obama.

 

[ChemEng]

Re: Greg's Post about 2008 Election

I'm voting for what I think is best for America. Do I want us to continue our slide towards socialism or stay as a democratic republic.

Its interesting CB, that I am using the same exact measuring stick to decide my vote. It just takes me to the other side. I just really can't dissociate McCain from Bush at all. The man has >90% voting record with Bush, why would you think he would do anything different in office than Bush did?

 

[CountryBoy]

Re: Greg's Post about 2008 Election

The Barack backlash
Posted: October 17, 2008

As Americans render what Catholics call temporal judgment on George Bush, are they aware of the radical course correction they are about to make?

This center-right country is about to vastly strengthen a liberal Congress whose approval rating is 10 percent and implant in Washington a regime further to the left than any in U.S. history. Consider.

As of today, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the San Francisco Democrat, anticipates gains of 15-30 seats. Sen. Harry Reid, whose partisanship grates even on many in his own party, may see his caucus expand to a filibuster-proof majority where he can ignore Republican dissent.

Headed for the White House is the most left-wing member of the Senate, according to the National Journal. To the vice president's mansion is headed Joe Biden, third-most liberal as ranked by the National Journal, ahead of No. 4, Vermont Socialist Bernie Sanders.

What will this mean to America? An administration that is either at war with its base or at war with the nation.

America may desperately desire to close the book on the Bush presidency. Yet there is, as of now, no hard evidence it has embraced Obama, his ideology, or agenda. Indeed, his campaign testifies, by its policy shifts, that it is fully aware the nation is still resisting the idea of an Obama presidency.

In the later primaries, even as a panicked media were demanding that Hillary drop out of the race, she consistently routed Obama in Ohio and Pennsylvania and crushed him in West Virginia and Kentucky.

By April and May, the Democratic Party was manifesting all the symptoms of buyer's remorse over how it had voted in January and February.

Obama's convention put him eight points up. But, as soon as America heard Sarah Palin in St. Paul, the Republicans shot up 10 points and seemed headed for victory.

What brought about the Obama-Biden resurgence was nothing Obama and Biden did, but the mid-September crash of Fannie, Freddie, Lehman Brothers, AIG, the stock market, where $4 trillion was wiped out, the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street that enraged Middle America – and John McCain's classically inept handling of the crisis.

In short, Obama has still not closed the sale. Every time America takes a second look at him, it has second thoughts, and backs away.

Even after the media have mocked and pilloried Palin and ceded Obama and Biden victory in all four debates, the nation, according to Gallup, is slowly moving back toward the Republican ticket.

Moreover, Obama knows Middle America harbors deep suspicions of him. Thus, he has jettisoned the rhetoric about the "fierce urgency of now," and "We are the people we've been waiting for," even as he has jettisoned position after position to make himself acceptable.

His "flip-flops" testify most convincingly to the fact that Obama knows that where he comes from is far outside the American mainstream. For what are flip-flops other than concessions that a position is untenable and must be abandoned?

Flip-flopping reveals the prime meridian of presidential politics. If an analyst will collate all the positions to which all the candidates move, he will find himself close to the true center of national politics.

Thus, though he is the nominee of a party that is in thrall to the environmental movement, Obama has signaled conditional support for offshore drilling and pumping out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

While holding to his pledge for a pullout of combat brigades from Iraq in 16 months, he has talked of "refining" his position and of a residual U.S. force to train the Iraqi army and deal with al-Qaida.

On Afghanistan, he has called for 10,000 more troops and U.S. strikes in Pakistan to kill bin Laden, even without prior notice or the permission of the Pakistani government.

Since securing the nomination, Obama has adopted the Scalia position on the death penalty for child rape and the right to keep a handgun in the home. He voted to give the telecoms immunity from prosecution for colluding in Bush wiretaps. This onetime sympathizer of the Palestinians now does a passable imitation of Ariel Sharon.

No Democrat has ever come out of the far left of his party to win the presidency. McGovern, the furthest left, stayed true to his convictions and lost 49 states.

Obama has chosen another course. Though he comes out of the McGovern-Jesse Jackson left, he has shed past positions like support for partial-birth abortion as fast as he has shed past associations, from William Ayers to ACORN, from the Rev. Jeremiah Wright to his fellow parishioners at Trinity United.

One question remains: Will a President Obama, with his party in absolute control of both Houses, revert to the politics and policies of the left that brought him the nomination, or resist his ex-comrades' demands that he seize the hour and impose the agenda ACORN, Ayers, Jesse and Wright have long dreamed of?

Whichever way he decides, he will be at war with them, or at war with us. If Barack wins, a backlash is coming.

I've talked to my father at lengths about this election, he's 84 and a yellow dog Dem and he even fears for this country. This is an election guide by hate, hatred of Bush, hatred of republican and now hatred of McCain/Palin, especially Palin. When a vote is made thru the vision of hatred, it will be one that we'll eventually regret, because hatred blinds people to the truth. I'm voting for what I think is best for America. Do I want us to continue our slide towards socialism or stay as a democratic republic. Am I happy with McCain, heck no, but I vote on values and principles and unfortunately, compromised is required.

But this is still America, so I should be able to vocie my opinion, without being called names. Only time will tell what we have brought on ourselves, but I believe the seeds were sown in 1976, when Carter was elected over Ford, because of the hatred for Ford pardoning Nixon. I even voted for Carter, not from hatred, but becasue I was thought Carter was the best man for the job. Well we all have things we're ashamed of. :laugh:

I just see hatred and color, deciding this election and not what would be best for the majority of America, we'll always have our poor, every country does, even those countries that some call a workers paradise.

Whatever happens, I'll survive, because if what I think happens this country will be turned on its head, and not for the good.

Well it's not 4:30 yet, but it is Saturday and this is enough heavy thinking for a weekend.

CB

 

[McDuck]

The Barack backlash
Posted: October 17, 2008

As Americans render what Catholics call temporal judgment on George Bush, are they aware of the radical course correction they are about to make?

This center-right country is about to vastly strengthen a liberal Congress whose approval rating is 10 percent and implant in Washington a regime further to the left than any in U.S. history. Consider.

As of today, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the San Francisco Democrat, anticipates gains of 15-30 seats. Sen. Harry Reid, whose partisanship grates even on many in his own party, may see his caucus expand to a filibuster-proof majority where he can ignore Republican dissent.

Headed for the White House is the most left-wing member of the Senate, according to the National Journal. To the vice president's mansion is headed Joe Biden, third-most liberal as ranked by the National Journal, ahead of No. 4, Vermont Socialist Bernie Sanders.

What will this mean to America? An administration that is either at war with its base or at war with the nation.

America may desperately desire to close the book on the Bush presidency. Yet there is, as of now, no hard evidence it has embraced Obama, his ideology, or agenda. Indeed, his campaign testifies, by its policy shifts, that it is fully aware the nation is still resisting the idea of an Obama presidency.

In the later primaries, even as a panicked media were demanding that Hillary drop out of the race, she consistently routed Obama in Ohio and Pennsylvania and crushed him in West Virginia and Kentucky.

By April and May, the Democratic Party was manifesting all the symptoms of buyer's remorse over how it had voted in January and February.

Obama's convention put him eight points up. But, as soon as America heard Sarah Palin in St. Paul, the Republicans shot up 10 points and seemed headed for victory.

What brought about the Obama-Biden resurgence was nothing Obama and Biden did, but the mid-September crash of Fannie, Freddie, Lehman Brothers, AIG, the stock market, where $4 trillion was wiped out, the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street that enraged Middle America – and John McCain's classically inept handling of the crisis.

In short, Obama has still not closed the sale. Every time America takes a second look at him, it has second thoughts, and backs away.

Even after the media have mocked and pilloried Palin and ceded Obama and Biden victory in all four debates, the nation, according to Gallup, is slowly moving back toward the Republican ticket.

Moreover, Obama knows Middle America harbors deep suspicions of him. Thus, he has jettisoned the rhetoric about the "fierce urgency of now," and "We are the people we've been waiting for," even as he has jettisoned position after position to make himself acceptable.

His "flip-flops" testify most convincingly to the fact that Obama knows that where he comes from is far outside the American mainstream. For what are flip-flops other than concessions that a position is untenable and must be abandoned?

Flip-flopping reveals the prime meridian of presidential politics. If an analyst will collate all the positions to which all the candidates move, he will find himself close to the true center of national politics.

Thus, though he is the nominee of a party that is in thrall to the environmental movement, Obama has signaled conditional support for offshore drilling and pumping out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

While holding to his pledge for a pullout of combat brigades from Iraq in 16 months, he has talked of "refining" his position and of a residual U.S. force to train the Iraqi army and deal with al-Qaida.

On Afghanistan, he has called for 10,000 more troops and U.S. strikes in Pakistan to kill bin Laden, even without prior notice or the permission of the Pakistani government.

Since securing the nomination, Obama has adopted the Scalia position on the death penalty for child rape and the right to keep a handgun in the home. He voted to give the telecoms immunity from prosecution for colluding in Bush wiretaps. This onetime sympathizer of the Palestinians now does a passable imitation of Ariel Sharon.

No Democrat has ever come out of the far left of his party to win the presidency. McGovern, the furthest left, stayed true to his convictions and lost 49 states.

Obama has chosen another course. Though he comes out of the McGovern-Jesse Jackson left, he has shed past positions like support for partial-birth abortion as fast as he has shed past associations, from William Ayers to ACORN, from the Rev. Jeremiah Wright to his fellow parishioners at Trinity United.

One question remains: Will a President Obama, with his party in absolute control of both Houses, revert to the politics and policies of the left that brought him the nomination, or resist his ex-comrades' demands that he seize the hour and impose the agenda ACORN, Ayers, Jesse and Wright have long dreamed of?

Whichever way he decides, he will be at war with them, or at war with us. If Barack wins, a backlash is coming.