P&F Chart School

James,

I appreciate your charting and honesty. Like you, I bailed yesterday. To much resistence right here and with the job numbers coming out tomorrow I just didn't feel like the market could sustain this run. I want to buy back in around the 50 day MA if it moves to that area.

Steve
 
OK- enough of the fireworks- I just used up my one-single trade this month on a hunch that I could pick off a tiny win on an up "F" day, and I did it. There was nothing saying that I should have moved my own account COB thursday to "F", the only thing that told me to do so was a little voice that I listened to, not the chart. I popped off an extra fraction from the "F" fund action, and am now back in "C", having moved back in on Friday- sorry for the sidetrack out there, but I got to catch them when I can, you know?

Anyway, here is where we are back on the PF Chart for C:

This is a classic formation here. We got a little more tweak out of the C fund on Friday, enought to form a sixth "X" above the line (shown here in green)


That is a good, solid push up. And six up "X" squares means we increased momentum, rather than decreasing mometum. That is another sign that we are again in a strong upwave here, and it very well may be that we've broken the back of that bear that has been biting us for months.​

What I would expect from here is perhaps a stronger day on Monday, with a repeat above that 1380 figure that caused the sixth up "X" to appear, followed very, very soon by some relief on a down wave. We've gotten a lot of upside over the last week, and the market soon will need a breather to take it all in. Whether the down mark comes monday (I would doubt that, it's possible of course, but the signs are showing continued strength, so I am thinking right now probably a 60% possibility or more of a positive day Monday), followed soon after by a releif drop.​

When the drop comes, however, it will not be a whole lot on the down side. The indicators now are showing that when we go for the down side here, it looks a lot like we're only going to fall down to the 1350-1340 range. (I placed an orange (forecast) "O" where I think the retracement will come =down to the 1340 level).​

The next question is when will we get there- back down to the 1340 range. That's a tough question. We've just run a number of days to the upside, and there appears to continue to be a lot of money on the sidelines ready to move in, as shown by the "S" strength last week. So it maybe tuesday or wednesday this week when we let off a little steam, or then again, maybe not. (See how non-committal I am? I could be a TV weatherman with forecasts like that, no? ) . When we head down, it looks to me like we will get just three "O"S down this cycle. With six up "X"s now, and forecasting three "O"s shortly ahead, all signs continue to point to a higher future here. The only thing that is going to break that is if we get some really bad unexpected news from somewhere. Remember, the charts are pretty good indicators, right up until some outside influence screws something up. But we tossed aside a poor jobs report on Friday and kept on going. That tells me the news that will change this cycle will have to be pretty dog gone bad to realy have an impact.​

Anyway- this is what my gut is telling me today. Monday, probably a slight tick higher, followed this week by letting off a small amount of steam. Absolutely no reason to bail out is indicated if you are in for the longer term- these cycles appear to be getting pretty regular.​

IF I hadn't blown my one trade for the month already, I think I MIGHT think about trying to move to the sidelines Monday, and hope for a slide back down later in the week to buy back in. As it is, however, it's not a clear enough opportunity for me now, so I'll sit tight in "C" now, and enjoy the ride.​

That's it for today. Enjoy.​
 
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Interesting tidbit to consider:

I just checked the TSPTALK Daily Autotracker "IFT of the Day", and found 25 of the last 30 moves were people moving from stocks to a position of 50% or more safety.

That's pretty abnormal, even for here. We seldom get that many all moving in the same direction in the same couple of days.

And ten of the top twelve performers on the autotracker are now sitting in the safety of either "G" or "F" right now.

Just another useless factoid --many TSPTALKERS seem to go both ways- right and wrong- overall, - but I thought it was a piece of intereesting information to toss out there.
 
I, for one, happen to think we are near the end of the downturn. I have no economic data or charts to back me up...one of the main reasons I rarely post, for fear of leading someone off a cliff. It just seems to me the media keeps feeding on itself with all the negative and things don't appear to be so bad...the stimulus checks hit next month (and even if on a purely economic basis they should have little impact) I think they will because the media will keep talking about it. Which just completes the circle of economic events that have an impact that is skewed by what the talking heads decided to make it out to be...they have been trying to "sell" recession for weeks, and it hasn't quite jived with the numbers, at least not yet. So for me, I think it is a good time to look at getting in. BUT WHAT DO I KNOW, I WAS A POLY SCI MAJOR....

So, as one of those currently in the G and in the top twelve...I am looking at getting back in the game very soon.

BigJohn
 
Nothing new to report in today's chart. It is essentially the same as Friday's chart. Friday we hit 1380.91, this morning we hit 1380.52.

Both marks were a little more stretch than the market was ready for, and they promptly took profits to the sidelines. So we've hit the 1380+ mark twice in two days, the second day not quite as high as the first day. Evidence, however, small, that we're a little stretched here.

I could put up the chart- but I won't, because there is absolutely nothing new in the P&F today. That tells me that we continue on track for what I said last week- a very real possibility of a slightly higher close today than we had on friday, but we've stretched it out pretty good now, and we should expect a small retracement sometime this week.

My gut tells me we'll take a small breather the next couple of days, but the downside will only be to between the 1340 and 1350 marks. Then we'll have another wave higher soon.

Of course, I could be wrong- have been many times before. But the market seems to be holding up very, very well, considering we had some not so pleasent news on the jobs report last week, Oil hitting $107 again this morning, and, well, generally we wil get news this week about 1st quarter reports out of several of the Dow components. If the earnings reports are negative in nature, which they very well may be, it will be time to let off a little steam tomorrow and perhaps wednesday. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

If we were in an environment that didn't matter at all about the number of IFT's, I would probably move out today, at least partially, through dollar cost averaging. Maybe move half to the sidelines.

But nowadays they are all very sensitive to movement- so I will simply let things ride through this next wave cycle. I've made my two moves for the month- so I don't really plan to move any more.

Best of luck- and let's see what the rest of today brings.

My prediction- slightly higher by the close, and then down a little tomorrow.

We'll see how it pans out.
 
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Yep- we ended yesterady with a wimper, after being up all day, ending up closing just a tad higher.

That means we're ready to dump off a lot of steam today. A down day today expected. (Tuesday).

I expect we'll be back down to 1345 shortly, with the projected bottom of this wave down being 1340 to 1350. I doubt it will get much below that, unless some really bad news comes out.

Hang on- here we go for the roller coaster ride again.
 
Yesterday's selling, and this morning's slight downturn, are perfectly on track for what is expected. On Monday I said we'd hit the top for a couple days, and were ready for some steam to be let out, and that's exactly what the chart is showing.

If we continue with the "expected" off the chart, then expect the next few days to come down to the 1340's range. We're at 1360ish now. I've penciled in, in orange, where the chart is telling us this is expected to go- I've put in several orange dots, and an orange "O" at the point that I think this wave will take us down to. If the bullish support line is going to hold (I think it should), then we'll see the 1340 range shortly. (1350 to 1340 is about 95% possible in my book, 1330 is only 50% possibility in my book, and anything below 1320 is highly UNlikely, unless we get some outside bad news for some reason.)

Anyway- here is the chart-


Don't look for any upside tick again until we get at least three "O"s to appear- which should be in the next day or two. There seems to be a lot of money still out there, so it may not be today, and it might not even be tomorrow, but I do think we'll get those "O"s to appear in the not too distant future. And that's what we need- a good solid 1340's number, before we're headed north again.

It will take 1350 broken to get the three "O"s to appear. And I think we'll get that easily. A 1340 would get us a fourth "O' on the downside. That's about all I would expect based on current data.

Good luck- and let's see how it pans out.​
 
Almost 1350....:)

1350.13 at 2:11 CST. Heading up?

Nope- in my opinion it may have bottomed for today, but it's not over with the wave down yet- the three "O"s have not yet appeared- it didn't cross 1350. So it's not hit bottom today.

My gut tells me it will take at least another day to reach down below 1350 into the 1340 range, the "O"s will appear, and then we get a chance to back up again.

This thing seems to work very well- let's see if that theroy holds water or not.
 
Hey James,
FYI, the 3 "O"s are now showing on the p&f.
Also we broke the 1350, at one point today.
(Day's Range: 1349.97 - 1368.39)
So is this not good enough, for bounce/run-up tomorrow?:)
VR
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My My- so we did break through the 1350 for a minute today to 1349.97.

Amazing.

And sure enough- the breakthrough was enough to make three red "O"s appear.

But if you look closely, there is still one more box that looks like it needs to be filled in in order to keep the pattern going.

My hunch is still that we will fill the box in that last box shortly- like probably tomorrow (maybe not, maybe friday, but I think tomorrow ought to do it).

Here is the chart- with the orange line to show the one box that needs to get filled in.

Tomorrow is another day.​
 
Hessian,

I am still trying to learn to use this chart but see the note on the high pole warning.


The high pole warning is given when a chart rises above a previous high by at least 3 boxes but then reverses to give back at least 50 percent of the rise. The reversal implies that the demand that was making the prices rise has given way to supply pressure. The pattern is a warning that lower prices could be seen in the future
 
It will take 1350 broken to get the three "O"s to appear. And I think we'll get that easily. A 1340 would get us a fourth "O' on the downside. That's about all I would expect based on current data.​


Good luck- and let's see how it pans out.​

We got the three "O"s end of today! You are good! Thank you :)
 
From:

Here is what they say for guidelines:
Guidelines
Below are some useful guidelines to consider when buying stocks (reverse for selling stocks):
  1. Buy stocks when the percentage of bullish stocks has a column of Xs, especially on an upturn from below 10%.
  2. Buy stocks whose sector relative strength chart has a column of Xs.
  3. Buy stocks whose relative strength chart has a column of Xs.
  4. Buy stocks that are above their Bullish Support and Bearish Resistance Lines.
  5. Buy stocks that have some kind of bullish signal.
  6. Consider buying some stocks that are in a pullback, but whose relative strength has a column of Xs.
  7. Look to take profits whenever the percentage of bullish stocks is above 70% (and especially above 80%) and have a column of Os.
  8. Rising bottoms are stronger than flat bottoms.
  9. Based on a research study, the strength of bullish signals in order are: Triple Top, Spread Triple Top, Bullish Signal, Double Top

Tidbit number 8 is interesting here- since it's a rising bottom, and we're above the bullish support line, I'm thinking we're more likely than not to simply bounce off the bottom and resume the upward movement in a few days.

However, the fact that we have an official "High Pole Warning" puts me at a much higher state of alert, and I'll be watching tomorrow to see what to do before the noon cutoff. Since I can't do anything else this month (already moved twice) while staying within my self-imposed two-move per month limit (I'm trying it on for size, not because it's imposed yet, but rather I am trying to see how I can manage to do things with that kind of limit), I'm not going to pull any triggers yet.

However, I will be on-guard in case things go south in a hurry.

Again, my expectation is 1340ish, maybe 1330ish, but not anything lower than that. A big downturn below 1320 would cause me to pull a safety trigger and bail out.
 
OK_ Just for the record-here goes a statement:

When Janaury first rolled around this year, I created an autotracker account that is called "P&F chart C". It was intended to be an account on the autotracker that mimics the buy and sell signals from this P&F chart.

Unfortunately, I was busy doing some other things (like trying to gain signatures for the tspshareholder.org thing), so I missed the sell signal a few days after the first of the year.

Since I missed that sell signal, I have simply "let it ride" the last four months- and it has exactly followed the S&P 500 *(The C fund) ever since. I never moved anything when the P&F chart moved- I simply let it ride.

Now that I'm done with the signature thing, I will begin to watch more closely, and make buys and sells when the P&F chart does.

Techincally, yesterday, at the close, the P&F chart hit a "High Pole Warning". That's a sell signal. So today, in the autotracker, I will be executing a trade to sell, and from here on out, I will be using the P&F chart signals for that autotracker account (which is different from my own pesonal account".

So we'll see if the P&F chart does better, or worse, than either staying in the C fund all the time, or my own actively managed account (my own being limited to two times per month, as I try and make decisions based on the proposed rules).

The High Pole warning means a sell signal at the close of business today. I'll enter the "PF Chart C" IFT today before noon.

thanks for watching.
 
OK. Two questions - just your opinions, please James.
  1. We seem to be headed up today. Is this a bounce off 1350 that will give us another leg up, or do you think we will head back down to 1340 by the end of the day?
Answer: My gut is telling me there is lots of money on the sidelines, the bullish support line is below us still, and the fluctuations here are people trying to buy in for the future. Again, that's just gut feeling, nothing else. I still think we'll end up slightly down into the 1340's, before we head higher, but again, that's my gut. My gut is saying it may take a couple days to get that 1340's out of our system.

Q: Would that give us another row of "0's"?

Answer: No. We won't get another row of "O"S down, until we get another row of "X"s up. It takes three squares of movement to change direction. We are now within the existing row of "O"s, and that will continue, until such time as we either add another "O" below where we are now, in which case the chart is filled in, and we'll be ready to move higher (my gut again, just opinion), -OR-

OR we've already seen the downside here, and we'll get a new row of "X"s when the market rebounds here upward, and travels more than three units up, thereby reversing the "O" appearance from yesterday.
Q: High pole warning giving a sell signal to those in C. So would that be a buy signal for those sitting on the sidelines in F and G?

Answer: No- that would be a signal for everyone to go to the sidelines, and then wait for a new postive buying signal to appear.
 
Looking again at the chart just now- I'd say it's possible we have hit bottom and are rebounding up now. It will take crossing over the 1380 mark on the upside to get the "X"s to appear, in which case I have NO IDEA what that High Pole warning yesteday was all about.

I am keeping my OWN funds in stocks today, not trading out.(see last night's comments), although I am going to go ahead with the PF Chart C autotracker account and make a move out on that.
 
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