CountryBoy
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No oil in the Ohio River Valley yet. I gotta see this water and oil running uphill. :laugh:
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Oil and natural gas drilling in U.S. waters
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CountryBoy
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Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill
If U.S. officials had followed up on a 1994 response plan for a major Gulf oil spill, it is possible that the spill could have been kept under control and far from land.
The problem: The federal government did not have a single fire boom on hand.
The "In-Situ Burn" plan produced by federal agencies in 1994 calls for responding to a major oil spill in the Gulf with the immediate use of fire booms.
http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/fire_boom_oil_spill_raines.html
Must be Bushes fault that no booms are there, they must be sitting in the Ohio RIver valley to burn off the massive oil making it's way upstream. :laugh:
If U.S. officials had followed up on a 1994 response plan for a major Gulf oil spill, it is possible that the spill could have been kept under control and far from land.
The problem: The federal government did not have a single fire boom on hand.
The "In-Situ Burn" plan produced by federal agencies in 1994 calls for responding to a major oil spill in the Gulf with the immediate use of fire booms.
http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/fire_boom_oil_spill_raines.html
Must be Bushes fault that no booms are there, they must be sitting in the Ohio RIver valley to burn off the massive oil making it's way upstream. :laugh:
grandma
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Will BP really pay for any of this? If not, where does the money come from to pay the wages, the ship fees, the docks, etc, etc., along with the oil damage itself to the land, the birds, etc....??
BP is getting more political, and that may help weather oil-spill stormBy Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 6, 2010 The company has mobilized a massive Washington lobbying campaign over the past week in response to the worsening crisis, dispatching senior executives to meet with Obama administration officials and members of Congress, while Hayward and other executives make frequent media appearances to defend BP's performance.
The onslaught underscores the expanding political role of BP, which has spent nearly $20 million on Washington lobbying since January 2009 and now ranks second only to ConocoPhillips within the powerful oil and gas industry, according to lobbying disclosure data. Its list of hired lobbyists reads like a Who's Who of the profession, from .....
..........http://tinyurl.com/38v3b5j
BP is getting more political, and that may help weather oil-spill stormBy Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 6, 2010 The company has mobilized a massive Washington lobbying campaign over the past week in response to the worsening crisis, dispatching senior executives to meet with Obama administration officials and members of Congress, while Hayward and other executives make frequent media appearances to defend BP's performance.
The onslaught underscores the expanding political role of BP, which has spent nearly $20 million on Washington lobbying since January 2009 and now ranks second only to ConocoPhillips within the powerful oil and gas industry, according to lobbying disclosure data. Its list of hired lobbyists reads like a Who's Who of the profession, from .....
..........http://tinyurl.com/38v3b5j
CountryBoy
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Are Senators Unaware of Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund?
Quote of the day comes from Florida Senator Ben Nelson. He is one of three Senators introducing legislation to retroactively increase the maximum liability that an oil company is on the hook for, from $75 million to $10 billion.
Here is a LAWMAKER, suggesting that a company be punished beyond what the LAW allows:
BP says it'll pay for this mess. Baloney," said Nelson. "They're not going to want to pay any more than what the law says they have to, which is why we can't let them off the hook.
And for those wondering - yes, it it unconstitutional for Congress to do this, as CBS News reporter Mark Knoller wrote:
Even though the Constitution expressly forbids passage of ex post facto laws, some in Congress and at the White House want to retroactively raise the amount for which British Petroleum is liable in the April 20th oil well calamity.
Ex post facto is Latin for "after the fact." And an ex post facto law is one that is enacted or changed to apply retroactively to a crime or other action.
Under current law, BP is liable up to $75 million for cleanup of the oil spill.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/203...f-oil-spill-liability-trust-fund?source=email
Congress and people who want to change the laws in the middle of the game remind me of my days as a kid. When someone didn't like something, they'd try to change the rules in the middle of the game.
I think it is time that these folks grow up and follow and enforce the laws we already have on the books. What a novel idea these days, follow and obey the laws.
Quote of the day comes from Florida Senator Ben Nelson. He is one of three Senators introducing legislation to retroactively increase the maximum liability that an oil company is on the hook for, from $75 million to $10 billion.
Here is a LAWMAKER, suggesting that a company be punished beyond what the LAW allows:
BP says it'll pay for this mess. Baloney," said Nelson. "They're not going to want to pay any more than what the law says they have to, which is why we can't let them off the hook.
And for those wondering - yes, it it unconstitutional for Congress to do this, as CBS News reporter Mark Knoller wrote:
Even though the Constitution expressly forbids passage of ex post facto laws, some in Congress and at the White House want to retroactively raise the amount for which British Petroleum is liable in the April 20th oil well calamity.
Ex post facto is Latin for "after the fact." And an ex post facto law is one that is enacted or changed to apply retroactively to a crime or other action.
Under current law, BP is liable up to $75 million for cleanup of the oil spill.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/203...f-oil-spill-liability-trust-fund?source=email
Congress and people who want to change the laws in the middle of the game remind me of my days as a kid. When someone didn't like something, they'd try to change the rules in the middle of the game.
I think it is time that these folks grow up and follow and enforce the laws we already have on the books. What a novel idea these days, follow and obey the laws.
James48843
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Technical point-
The current liability is $75 million.
Nelson is proposing to raise the cap to $10 billion.
The technical point is this-
It's not an "ex-post-facto" law if it gets signed into law, BEFORE the damage is done.
This oil slick is out there, true. The well blew out last month. Also true.
But much of the damage is going to be six months from now, and a year from now.
The point at which the ACTUAL damage is done, for much of this- is IN THE FUTURE, not in the past.
Yes, the well blow-out happened in the past.
But the liability isn't from the well blowing out- it's from the economic damage that is going to be done a month from now. That is what will close the beach, and all the tourists will be gone after the slick comes ashore. Or six months from now- when the slick taints Key West.
Just sayin'......
Just putting out that tidbit as food for thought- as to why raising the cap doesn't rise to an "ex-post facto" law.
(Hey, that's my take, and I'm sticking to it.)
The current liability is $75 million.
Nelson is proposing to raise the cap to $10 billion.
The technical point is this-
It's not an "ex-post-facto" law if it gets signed into law, BEFORE the damage is done.
This oil slick is out there, true. The well blew out last month. Also true.
But much of the damage is going to be six months from now, and a year from now.
The point at which the ACTUAL damage is done, for much of this- is IN THE FUTURE, not in the past.
Yes, the well blow-out happened in the past.
But the liability isn't from the well blowing out- it's from the economic damage that is going to be done a month from now. That is what will close the beach, and all the tourists will be gone after the slick comes ashore. Or six months from now- when the slick taints Key West.
Just sayin'......
Just putting out that tidbit as food for thought- as to why raising the cap doesn't rise to an "ex-post facto" law.
(Hey, that's my take, and I'm sticking to it.)
Buster
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I respect your take..but I think you're full of it too..
Define SLICK...
Maybe a faint sheen will be seen at Key West at worst..But a slick? ..No I don't see it happening...A sheen will evaporate...Ever spill a little gasoline in the lake while filling the outboard?..a drop of gasoline will cover and acre of lake surface with a SHEEN..and that is what most the sheen is from in the Gulf...Volatile gasoline componets in the crude..it WILL evaporate.
Buster
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And Jim..if you really want to help...Cut your hair and send it to the Gulf...and I know you have a lot of hair to give too buddy
Human Hair Collected To Soak Up Oil Spill
http://cbs4denver.com/local/hair.oil.spill.2.1680495.html
Human Hair Collected To Soak Up Oil Spill
http://cbs4denver.com/local/hair.oil.spill.2.1680495.html
DAWG51
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Went to the Carrie Underwood concert (Husbandly Duties) Wednesday night so I received a kitchen-pass for fishing yesterday. We bolted-out 30 miles SE of Pensacola, FL. The Gulf of Mexico was beautiful – Fish, turtles, rays and dolphin everywhere -Did not see any oil or sheen. I did notice some of the fish that are usually 80 miles out (Flying fish, tuna, etc..) were in-close. They know something is up.
I’ve spent most of my 47 years on this body of water. I pray that the skimmers keep skimming and the dome project is successful. Thought I would share a few photos from yesterday’s trip. Enjoy
I’ve spent most of my 47 years on this body of water. I pray that the skimmers keep skimming and the dome project is successful. Thought I would share a few photos from yesterday’s trip. Enjoy
Steadygain
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Thanks so much for sharing this!
'They know something is up' is incredibly accurate. Anything that happens in Nature -- they are way more in tune than any of us.
All we can do is hope for the BEST -- I'm prayin' too.
Well heading out for the weekend.
Buster
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Series of failures led to rig blast
ON THE GULF OF MEXICO – The deadly blowout of an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico was triggered by a bubble of methane gas that escaped from the well and shot up the drill column, expanding quickly as it burst through several seals and barriers before exploding, according to interviews with rig workers conducted during BP's internal investigation...
Deep beneath the seafloor, methane gas is in a slushy, crystalline form. But as the bubble rose up the drill column from the high-pressure environs of the deep to the less pressurized shallows, it intensified and grew, breaking through various safety barriers, the interviews said.ON THE GULF OF MEXICO – The deadly blowout of an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico was triggered by a bubble of methane gas that escaped from the well and shot up the drill column, expanding quickly as it burst through several seals and barriers before exploding, according to interviews with rig workers conducted during BP's internal investigation...
"A small bubble becomes a really big bubble," Bea said. "So the expanding bubble becomes like a cannon shooting the gas into your face."
Up on the rig, the first thing workers noticed was the seawater in the drill column suddenly shooting back at them, rocketing 240 feet in the air. Then, gas surfaced. Then oil.
"What we had learned when I worked as a drill rig laborer was swoosh, boom, run," Bea said. "The swoosh is the gas, boom is the explosion and run is what you better be doing."
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coolhand
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James48843
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Oil leak is 5 times greater than reported by officials
From staff reports • May 10, 2010
The amount of oil gushing from BP's Deepwater Horizon oil disaster is five times more than what the oil company and the U.S. Coast Guard are currently estimating, said a Florida State University oceanography professor on Saturday.
At an oil spill environmental forum at the Hilton Pensacola Beach Gulf Front, Ian MacDonald said the blowout is gushing 25,000 barrels a day.
The Coast Guard and BP estimate 5,000 barrels a day of crude is spewing into the Gulf.
MacDonald said his estimate is based on satellite images and government maps forecasting the slick's trajectory.
MacDonald also told a crowd of about 100 gathered for the discussion that he's been frustrated by the lack of data from federal responders and BP since the April 20 explosion and subsequent spill.
Dick Snyder, director of the Center for Environmental Diagnostics and Bioremediation at the University of West Florida, said satellite imagery and maps give a misleading picture of the spread of the spill.
Chemical dispersants and exposure to sunlight have made some of the oil nearly invisible and hard to detect, he said.
Testing seawater for a hydrocarbon signature is needed to adequately track the oil spill so cleanup operations can be activated before it arrives, Snyder said.
A proposal by UWF to conduct such testing off the Pensacola coast was rejected by the state Department of Environmental Protection, Snyder said.
Both Snyder and MacDonald are members of the newly created Oil Spill Academic Task Force.
More: http://www.pnj.com/article/20100510/NEWS01/5100314
From staff reports • May 10, 2010
The amount of oil gushing from BP's Deepwater Horizon oil disaster is five times more than what the oil company and the U.S. Coast Guard are currently estimating, said a Florida State University oceanography professor on Saturday.
At an oil spill environmental forum at the Hilton Pensacola Beach Gulf Front, Ian MacDonald said the blowout is gushing 25,000 barrels a day.
The Coast Guard and BP estimate 5,000 barrels a day of crude is spewing into the Gulf.
MacDonald said his estimate is based on satellite images and government maps forecasting the slick's trajectory.
MacDonald also told a crowd of about 100 gathered for the discussion that he's been frustrated by the lack of data from federal responders and BP since the April 20 explosion and subsequent spill.
Dick Snyder, director of the Center for Environmental Diagnostics and Bioremediation at the University of West Florida, said satellite imagery and maps give a misleading picture of the spread of the spill.
Chemical dispersants and exposure to sunlight have made some of the oil nearly invisible and hard to detect, he said.
Testing seawater for a hydrocarbon signature is needed to adequately track the oil spill so cleanup operations can be activated before it arrives, Snyder said.
A proposal by UWF to conduct such testing off the Pensacola coast was rejected by the state Department of Environmental Protection, Snyder said.
Both Snyder and MacDonald are members of the newly created Oil Spill Academic Task Force.
More: http://www.pnj.com/article/20100510/NEWS01/5100314
JimmyJoe
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Part of my perfect plan was to get in with the slide up today with the good old oil box stopping most of the mess in the gulf. Since the rise today was due to the IMF money to Greece, the word now is that later this week we'll ride the coattails of the new improved smaller heated box they're gonna send down on Thursday. Oils peeps are betting on it. It'll work to seal off 85% of the escaping oil and the parade will begin again. Stocks up, putt putt scores down. This week is good. And Birch says that the end of May, DOW 12k.:cheesy:
grandma
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maybe some entrepreneur independent businessmen/women can get together with some enterprising independent hay ranchers, load up a helicopter full of which-ever hay that was that works best, then dust the seashores with the loose hay. I know some places it is illegal to spread cremation ashes from an airplane, but maybe hay would be fine.
It could
at least give roosting places for some birds, or even feed the :laugh:Seahorses, if nothing else -
It could
at least give roosting places for some birds, or even feed the :laugh:Seahorses, if nothing else -
James48843
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To get an idea as to the size of this spill, here is a google-earth application that can give you an idea, compared to a city close to you. If you don't already have google earth installed, you'll have to install it if you want to enter your own city- but you get the idea. You'll get the picture.
From: http://paulrademacher.com/oilspill/
One pic- if the oil spill were overlaying the Washington DC area, this is what it would look like- Baltimore, to southern Virginia:
From: http://paulrademacher.com/oilspill/
One pic- if the oil spill were overlaying the Washington DC area, this is what it would look like- Baltimore, to southern Virginia:
Frixxxx
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The article is estimations only. How do we get them in there to test?
I would like to ask the administration to get an independent look at things, and since these guys just formed their group. I'd like to make them part of it.
We don't need more sensationalism, just more action!:suspicious:
Silverbird
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BP, Halliburton, Transocean Blame Each Other in Gulf Oil Spill
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...ocean-blame-each-other-in-gulf-oil-spill.html
[Hokay, you had Haliburton do your subcontractor cement work for something critical??? I wouldn't trust them to make a sandwich right!]
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...ocean-blame-each-other-in-gulf-oil-spill.html
[Hokay, you had Haliburton do your subcontractor cement work for something critical??? I wouldn't trust them to make a sandwich right!]
