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I just discovered this site, looks like a good place to learn about things.



Before I joined the federal service I established a traditional IRA. After I joined the federal service I ceased to make contributions to the IRA (no longer tax-deductible) and instead put my $$ in the TSP. So there stands the IRA, growing slowly on its own, awaiting my retirement.



In about five years I will be eligible to retire. My plan is to roll the TSP into the IRA and make withdrawls from there as necessary. My thinking has alwaysbeen that I couldgrab all the earnings each year plus a small percentage (say <5%)of the principle, if needed.



Sound good? Here's another question: My equity in my home is becoming comparable to the value of my TSP+IRA account. How should Iinclude my homein my retirement planning?



Dave
 
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Welcome Dave! Retirement planning isn't my strong point so I'll let the ones who know about that respond. I just wanted to welcome you and thank you for joining us!

Tom
 
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Dave

This is where you need to discuss your financial position with your accountant.
 
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Dave

Got a break. Sounds like you got the start of a good plan. Learn all you can from the OPM web site. Download their brochures. Check out institutions that have IRA's. Itemize, or std. deduction with the IRS?
Waiting until you are ready to retire trapped me. Learned that mistake the hard way.
5 years, you have a good time frame.
 
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Dave,

Glad to have you here. It is a great site and you are in good hands with these people. Lots of ideas so be prepare to choose wisely. :shock:
 
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Dave M wrote:
I just discovered this site, looks like a good place to learn about things.



Before I joined the federal service I established a traditional IRA. After I joined the federal service I ceased to make contributions to the IRA (no longer tax-deductible) and instead put my $$ in the TSP. So there stands the IRA, growing slowly on its own, awaiting my retirement.



In about five years I will be eligible to retire. My plan is to roll the TSP into the IRA and make withdrawls from there as necessary. My thinking has alwaysbeen that I couldgrab all the earnings each year plus a small percentage (say <5%)of the principle, if needed.



Sound good? Here's another question: My equity in my home is becoming comparable to the value of my TSP+IRA account. How should Iinclude my homein my retirement planning?



Dave
Hello Dave,

I didn't see your last paragraph the last time so I was not able to comment on it. I like real estate alot but I am beginning to close pay attention to my TSP account since I found this site. If I were you, i'll stick to this place. To answer your question pertaining to your home equity, my answer is that you can't include them in you retirement planning unless you are factoring the following: 1) You will pay off your home mortgage so that you will not have any mortgage pmt when you retire. 2) If you plan on borrowing from your equity (second mortgage) or refinance without cashout (lower monthly mortgage) 3) Or you will refinance all the way to maximum allowed in your equity and then reinvest that money to purchase another real estate that will provide you passive income. I like option 3. However, you can't just buy property without knowing how to be a landlord. Just like TSP, there are lots of rules and regs that you have to know. Be inform and network. Hope you luck with your endeavors. I have several properties like 14 unit commercial building, 8 unit apt. a duplex, and a condo. I am in the process of closing another 3 bedroom house for rental. I've alsoformed a corporation (just for tax purposes) so I think I know a little about real estate. However, when it comes to TSP, You'll havethese guys to help you out. They are very helpful and very patient (at least with me).:^

Pyriel
 
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Thanks guys. There is a lot to learn, that's for sure.

I'll say this, if you are into investing in real estate, Key West is the place. My twenty years of patient contributions to the TSP have been outraced by the accumulation of equity in just five years of home ownership here, due to the market. I have never experiencedanything remotely like it.

Dave
 
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Dave M wrote:
Thanks guys. There is a lot to learn, that's for sure.

I'll say this, if you are into investing in real estate, Key West is the place. My twenty years of patient contributions to the TSP have been outraced by the accumulation of equity in just five years of home ownership here, due to the market. I have never experiencedanything remotely like it.

Dave
You are right about that. I have not jumped in outside of my area of operation. I've done my research in Hawaii and the cash on cash return is just not there. My planning factor is 15-40% per year. I definitely don't buy a property that will not give me a guranteed return for that percentage year after year... Just to let you know, I am also a buy and hold when it comes to real estate property. Those passive income is just too hard to let go.:^
 
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Spaf,

You are sure getting snippy. Why even bother to reply with a post like that?

Dave - it is wise NOT to factor in your home equity in your retirement planning. You still need a place to live. Besides when interest rates go up your home equity will drop like a rock. Better to be out of sight out of mind with regards to that. Because when the rock hits the water you do not want to play the "what if game".

Rule of thumb. 1% increase in the 30 year treasury equals to 10% lose in home value. Remember the tech bubble. Right now we have a housing bubble. That is next to pop. 40% of loans right now are ARMs. Lots of pain moving forward.

Take care!

Bill (I am a CFP by the UFL). And will not charge you $300 an hour to say it is not wise to count your current home equity for your retirement planning purposes. I believe here in five to eight years people will owe money to get out of their houses. This pattern happens every 12-15 years.

OK Spaf lash me and wring your hands.

Spaf wrote:
Dave

This is where you need to discuss your financial position with your accountant.
 
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MarketTimer: I agree. However, if someone does need to factor in the equity oftheir house for retirement purposes, there are newer mortgage products that my help. They may want to research "reverse mortgages" as well as "interest only" mortgages. They may also be in a position to downsize at the time of retirement, and able to harvest equity in the process while consolidating other debts.

Many times people will want to maintain a larger house to accommodate visits from their now adult children and families. It may be better use of monies to purchase a smaller home, and put visitors up at a nearby motel (with pool :D ), everyone gets a break!

Downsizingmay also be more economical than maintaining an oversize residence, i.e. taxes, utilities, maintenance, etc. This also has the advantage of making a return home of adult children to live a less attractive option, as can be the case for some :?.

What say you? <><
 
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Chap (charley)

Reverse mortages are extremely expensive. You have to pay a fee each month to hold that type of mortgage. Plus if Dave is on this board he probably is not near death. Which is the only type that product makes sense.

Also what happens when you have a reverse mortgage, the housing bubble pops and your house price goes down 50%?

Yes that is correct. You have no more reverse left and they mortgage holding will jettison you to the sideway. That is not the way to spend your golden years.

A reverse mortgage is worse then an ARM in my opionion.

That should NEVER be an option. How can you live day to day hoping the housing bubble does not pop while holding a reverse mortgage. The lender will not say oh sorry you have no home equity left (assessment) and you can stay in your home rent free. Heck no they are going to say GET OUT OF OUR HOUSE.

Good luck! Reverse loans should be called Annuities Part II.

MT
 
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Sorry for the spelling...got to get ready for work. What a mess!

Please, please do not do a reverse mortage it is a receipe for disaster. You have to pay 2-6% (depending on the risk) per month of the amount they give you back to them for their sucker fee.

Do not utilize your home equity for any planning because it may not be there later on. If you do and have $200K or something in five years from now your $200K goes to $40K you are just going to pull your hair out.
 
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You trust fannie mae? :shock: They are a subsidized gov organization by the treasury (and their CEO raines make 25M a freaky year - and he is a book crook cooker- the internal U.N) and the inflation rate is 1.9% :oo. Our poor Seniors - there is no inflation so we are only going to raise your social security by 2% and their health care cost went up 15%. I understand the white house says you do not need a 3.5% pay raise or locality pay anymore. GOOD LUCK - no recession in the works here.

It is the middle man on these products you have to worry about. Fannie Mae is just the underwriter with our treasuries.
 
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[align=left]Fee, fee, fee and when the housing bubble pops it will be flee, flee, flee because they will not let you stay in THEIR home for free, free, free:

Below is a more in-depth explanation of each type of fee.


Origination Fee
The origination fee covers a lender's operating expenses—including office overhead, marketing costs, etc.—for making the reverse mortgage.


Under the HECM program, which accounts for 90 percent of all reverse mortgages made in the U.S., the origination fee is equal to the greater of $2,000 or 2 percent of the maximum claim amount (i.e., county FHA loan limit). Currently, the FHA loan limit varies from a low of $160,176 (for rural areas) to a high of $290,319 (for high-cost metropolitan areas).
Therefore, the 2 percent origination fee generally ranges between $3,204 (2 percent of $160,176) and $5,806 (2 percent of $290,319).

Home Keeper borrowers are charged an origination fee that may not exceed 2 percent of the value of the home. With either product, the entire amount of the origination fee may be financed as part of the mortgage.

Mortgage Insurance Premium
Under the HECM program, borrowers are charged a mortgage insurance premium (MIP), equal to 2 percent of the maximum claim amount, or home value, whichever is less, plus an annual premium thereafter equal to 0.5 percent of the loan balance.

The MIP guarantees that if the company managing your account – commonly called the loan “servicer” – goes out of business, the government will step in and make sure you have continued access to your loan funds. Furthermore, the MIP guarantees that you will never owe more than the value of your home when the HECM must be repaid.

Appraisal Fee
An appraiser is responsible for assigning a current market value to your home. Appraisal fees generally range between $300-$500.

In addition to placing a value on the home, an appraiser must also make sure there are no major structural defects, such as a bad foundation, leaky roof, or termite damage. Federal regulations mandate that your home be structurally sound, and comply with all home safety codes, in order for the reverse mortgage to be made.

If the appraiser uncovers property defects, you must hire a contractor to complete the repairs. Once the repairs are completed, the same appraiser is paid for a second visit to make sure the repairs have been completed. The cost of the repairs may be financed in the loan and completed after the reverse mortgage is made. Appraisers generally charge $150-$175 dollars for the follow-up examination.

Closing Costs
Other closing costs that are commonly charged to a reverse mortgage borrower, include:
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  • Credit report fee. Verifies any federal tax liens, or other judgments, handed down against the borrower. Cost: Generally under $50
  • Flood certification fee. Determines whether the property is located on a federally designated flood plane. Cost: Generally under $50
  • Escrow, Settlement or Closing fee. Generally includes a title search and various other required closing services. Cost: $350-$450
  • Document preparation fee. Fee charged to prepare the final closing documents, including the mortgage note and other recordable items. Cost: $175-$450
  • Recording fee. Fee charged to record the mortgage lien with the County Recorder's Office. Cost: $150-$300
  • Courier fee. Covers the cost of any overnight mailing of documents between the lender and the title company or loan investor. Cost: Generally under $100
  • Title insurance. Insurance that protects the lender (lender's policy) or the buyer (owner's policy) against any loss arising from disputes over ownership of a property. Varies by size of the loan, though in general, the larger the loan amount, the higher the cost of the title insurance.
  • Pest Inspection. Determines whether the home is infested with any wood-destroying organisms, such as termites. Cost: Generally under $300
  • Survey. Determines the official boundaries of the property. It's typically ordered to make sure that any adjoining property has not inadvertently encroached on the reverse mortgage borrower's property. Cost: Generally under $500


Servicing Set-Aside
The servicing set-aside is an amount of money deducted from the available loan limit at closing to cover the projected costs of servicing your account.

Federal regulations allow the loan servicer (which may or may not be the same company as the originating lender) to charge a monthly fee that ranges between $50-$125. The amount of money set-aside is largely determined by the borrower's age and life expectancy. Generally, the set-aside can amount to several thousand dollars.
 
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You make a good point in not relying on what might not be there. However I am confident that the bubble, if such it is, will not have a big effect on Key West should it burst. Supply is limited here and demand is strong. Two-bedroom apartments sell for half a million today rightnow and they have buyers.

For example, in the 90's, a half a million new millionaires were created and they all wanted to come down here and show it off, seemingly. When the tech bubble burst in 2000 it had no discernable effect, and today 40% of our housing stock remains unoccupied at any given timeas they are second homes owned by snowbirds.I think it would have to be a MAJOR downturn to be felt here. Alternatively, if mortgage interest rates climbed back to 10%, that too would be serious.

In either case, I will not be alone, will I.

Dave
 
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Dave,

I believe that housing bubbles comes in various sizes and really depends on location, just like you are saying about Key West. There are many locationsaround the country where housing prices are stable or have even dropped modestly. The housing markets that have risen the most are usually the ones most susceptible to bubbles. But itreally depends on a lot of factors and can be complicated. Lot's of good advice in the previous posts.

For anyone interested, I'd like to offer a website that I like to monitor that has good articles concerningreal estate.

http://www.realestatejournal.com/
 
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Dave M wrote:
I just discovered this site, looks like a good place to learn about things.



Before I joined the federal service I established a traditional IRA. After I joined the federal service I ceased to make contributions to the IRA (no longer tax-deductible) and instead put my $$ in the TSP. So there stands the IRA, growing slowly on its own, awaiting my retirement.



In about five years I will be eligible to retire. My plan is to roll the TSP into the IRA and make withdrawls from there as necessary. My thinking has alwaysbeen that I couldgrab all the earnings each year plus a small percentage (say <5%)of the principle, if needed.



Sound good? Here's another question: My equity in my home is becoming comparable to the value of my TSP+IRA account. How should Iinclude my homein my retirement planning?



Dave
Gents,

I believe the original question in how to include his home in his retirement planning. Equity is really nothing if the mortgage is left alone. Someone can be telling me that he has a million dollar equity in his home but if he does not do anything about it such as to remortgage and use the money to purchase more asset that will put money in his pocket then he really can't use that for his retirement planning. If he decides not to remortgage and pay off his loan when he retires, then he can use that for retirement planning because it is an expense that he will not have to incur when he retires. OOOPPPSSS! Sorry he will still have to incur expenses such as property tax, community tax, tax etc. etc. etc.

I just came back from Hawaii and was talking to my friend about the equity in his house. He told me that his house has appreciated $150K more than what he bought it for 5 years ago. When I asked him, what does that do your monthly expenses and would you consider selling your house to touch the equity he's been excited about. He said "hell no" housing now in Hawaii is an arm and a leg there is no way for me to buy the same house with the price I paid for 5 years ago. So you see, equity is really useless unless you plan to leverage them.

I agree with MT about reverse mortgage. Stay away from them. However, I don't necessarily agree that those closing points should be used as a roadblock for someone that wants to refinance or buy a property for passive income and to leverage them to make more money. Yes, properties are going up but there are still bargains up there thatwe should consider. You just have to look for them.:?
 
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pyriel wrote:
Yes, properties are going up but there are still bargains up there thatwe should consider. You just have to look for them.:?
Think Costa Rico............
 
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mlk_man wrote:
pyriel wrote:
Yes, properties are going up but there are still bargains up there thatwe should consider. You just have to look for them.:?
Think Costa Rico............
Hey Milky! I knew you couldn't stay away. Never been to Costa Rica but i've been to FL, VA, SC, NC, AL, GA, CO, AR, NE, WA, OR, HI, CA, TX, DC, NE, Philippines, Korea, Japan, Thailand, and Guam. My job takes me to these places at least 8-10x a year. One thing they all have in common is thatreal estate is king.And if used properly, it will be a good addition for estate planning. In fact, if used wisely, it will beat any stock %s all year round...:^
 
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