Market Talk / June 4 - 10

It's not just Bernanke with the jabber-jaw. Check out the handful of these Fed Clones talking shop with reporters.

MONTROSE, Colorado (Reuters) - Federal Reserve officials voiced concern about inflation on Tuesday, but also expressed doubts on future policy, emphasizing uncertainty at the top of the U.S. central bank as to how much more it needs to hike interest rates. Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President William Poole made hawkish remarks in a newspaper interview about inflation, continuing a recent rash of pointed comments that have shortened the odds among investors of another rate increase.

But several other top Fed officials stressed that monetary policy takes time to make itself felt, indicating patience in waiting to see how the 16 consecutive quarter-percentage point hikes since June 2004 impact U.S. growth.

Due to the lags, Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City President Thomas Hoenig said that it was premature to judge if the Fed was "behind the curve" in respect to inflation.

"When I look at the inflation expectations, I have seen some movement up, but I've seen that in the past. So I think it is frankly too early to tell in terms of whether we have this issue of being behind the curve," Hoenig said following a speech here hosted by the Kansas City Fed's Denver branch.

"I think we need to be watchful and alert. But I think at this point we have only recently moved the policy rate to the 5 percent level. We know that monetary policy acts with a lag, we know that those effects will still be months ahead of us, and so we'll see how this moves," he added.

Federal Reserve Board Governor Susan Bies, addressing a bankers group in California, also emphasized the lagged impact of rate rises.

"We're in the range (on interest rates) where different models say we should be for the economy. As a result, we are in a period where we're in transition and transition means we don't exactly know where we are going to stop," she said.

"Part of the challenge is that monetary policy works with a lag so the 16 (rate) increases we've had so far are still feeding their way through the economy and we're beginning to see some of the impacts happening in real estate markets."

Recent economic data have backed up anecdotal reports of a gradual cooling in the buoyant U.S. housing market, which officials think will restrain spending and bring U.S. growth from a 5.3 percent pace in the first quarter to more sustainable levels of around 3.5 percent.

But both Hoenig and Bies noted that inflation rates were at the top end of their comfort range.

Bies also told the banking group the Fed faced the question of whether it had done enough so that core inflation, which excludes food and energy prices, was poised to move lower.

She told reporters after her remarks she did not know the answer to that question.

"I don't know how many more moves we need or the pace we need to move," she said. "As we get to the turning point, there's different viewpoints right now."

HAWKS EYE INFLATION

St. Louis Fed chief Poole, in an interview with The Wall Street Journal, made the most pointedly hawkish comments of the day, hinting that the Fed may have to become restrictive in its policy setting to keep inflation at bay.

"If inflation turns out to exceed our expectations, our target range, I do not believe we can count on a slowing economy to bring inflation down, by itself, quickly," he said.

Poole is a noted policy hawk whose preferred rate of inflation is zero -- properly measured.

He noted that the investors' expectations of inflation, judging from the behavior of inflation-protected Treasury bonds or TIPS (Treasury Inflation Protected Securities), have risen about 0.2 percentage point this year.

"It's not a huge number, but from my perspective it's going in the wrong direction" because inflation is already "at the upper end, of what I would like to see," he said.

As a result, Poole recommended raising interest rates a bit more than enough to curb inflation expectations if necessary.

"We need to have an upside bias to our setting of the federal funds rate," he said. "And I think it would be a lot safer strategy to err on the side of going a little too far, in the expectation that when that became clear, you could back off," Poole added.

Policymakers have long stressed that differences of opinion would emerge once the Fed got near to the end of its tightening cycle and this was on show in the latest discount rate minutes of the 12 regional Federal reserve banks, released on Tuesday.

"Overall, the directors agreed that a further tightening in monetary policy was appropriate, although several noted that the federal funds rate was near the upper end of what could be considered a neutral range," the minutes said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060606/bs_nm/economy_fed_dc_2

Spaf said:
If we put Bernanke on the ignore list, will he go away?... :notrust: ...:nuts:
 
Birchtree said:
The Technician,

Big man you worry too much - get a grip and relax. SPX of 1255 intraday was the retest - and besides bull markets do not like company, the market will do everything it can to make the majority gun shy and keep the bears from recognizing the prevailing trend. There has never been a time that the market has topped with the Transports in an uptrend.

Dennis - permabull #1

I am relaxed Birchy....but some of you perma bulls can't see the farst for the dirty water.....I don't like losing money, so I protect first then take chances.....

I just want to remind you that if you had gotten out of the market in early May you would have been 7 or 8 percent ahead of yourself today....and then again ahead this week as the market has fallen off its "expected rebound"....

So who's on the ball here....??

By the way, STAGFLATION is no joke and is not to be discounted when it comes to personal expenses. It has a terminating way to economies and we're into already. I'm afraid that we have work our way into a inflationary corner and there is no way out except to go through it....so inflation it will be and it will put a massive hurt on the market.......

The energy speculators put us here and there is only two ways out, one they lose money or consumers lose money.....which one do you think it will be.....of course consumer will lose.....therefore, prices will stay escalated and the economy will be depressed because consumers will start to go broke one by one......and corporate sales/profits will be a hostage due to a bunch of speculators and oil companies.......

Poole has recommended that it would be a safer policy to keep running up interest rates rather than stop.....therefore the I fund will suffer because of it (exchange rates) and the lack of corporates sales in the US thereby bringing down foreign markets........

So I will relax when the markets continue their fall....and then find their bottom....and then I'll be all happy and willing to invest......while some bulls will be 50% down and suffering......what an investment strategy....
 
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The Technician writes: I don't like losing money, so I protect first then take chances!!!!.....

I joined this board to do exactly what the Tech proclaims.
When I read all the Drama regarding Tech, I wonder why Group Dynamics was never made mandatory in all schools; as it plays one of the most important roles in our daily lives.
Everyone has something to offer the board, it’s up to each Individual to assimilate and accommodate that information into something useful.
Everyone has a different investment strategy and you need to incorporate the advice you read into that strategy.
Had I practiced what I preach AND STUCK TO my plan as outlined by Tech THIS TIME, I would be BUYING INTO THE MARKET TODAY. I would not be in a position of playing catch up like I am now. Yes tomorrow I may take the advice of Birch, or Tom.
Why Tech isn’t getting thank you notes from those that listened to his advice is a mystery to me, but I am sure many readers have moved their investments into the G fund based on TECH’S WRITINGS and are very comfortable at this PRESENT TIME.
The information is here for the reading, use it if you wish, but don’t throw sour milk on your car Aas the paint will come off, and you will end up with a stripped down version of what once was.
Freedom of speech, freedom to read.
AMERICANS used to GO TO WAR TO PROTECT THOSE WRITES.
not sure why we go now.
 
Sorry, had to chime in on this one with the facts. Got these from the tally thread so this is as of last Friday. If you had listened to Tech, you'd have a .38% return as opposed to your 7.35%. I don't understand your praise?

Tech's been saying the sky is falling for sometime now. Sooner later he's gonna get it right. I'm curious to see how long he sits in the G fund now.

Be careful, one is judged by the company they keep.

JOVARN said:
The Technician writes: I don't like losing money, so I protect first then take chances!!!!.....

I joined this board to do exactly what the Tech proclaims.
When I read all the Drama regarding Tech, I wonder why Group Dynamics was never made mandatory in all schools; as it plays one of the most important roles in our daily lives.
Everyone has something to offer the board, it’s up to each Individual to assimilate and accommodate that information into something useful.
Everyone has a different investment strategy and you need to incorporate the advice you read into that strategy.
Had I practiced what I preach AND STUCK TO my plan as outlined by Tech THIS TIME, I would be BUYING INTO THE MARKET TODAY. I would not be in a position of playing catch up like I am now. Yes tomorrow I may take the advice of Birch, or Tom.
Why Tech isn’t getting thank you notes from those that listened to his advice is a mystery to me, but I am sure many readers have moved their investments into the G fund based on TECH’S WRITINGS and are very comfortable at this PRESENT TIME.
The information is here for the reading, use it if you wish, but don’t throw sour milk on your car Aas the paint will come off, and you will end up with a stripped down version of what once was.
Freedom of speech, freedom to read.
AMERICANS used to GO TO WAR TO PROTECT THOSE WRITES.
not sure why we go now.
 
TSP_Elvis said:
Sorry, had to chime in on this one with the facts. Got these from the tally thread so this is as of last Friday. If you had listened to Tech, you'd have a .38% return as opposed to your 7.35%. I don't understand your praise?

Tech's been saying the sky is falling for sometime now. Sooner later he's gonna get it right. I'm curious to see how long he sits in the G fund now.

Be careful, one is judged by the company they keep.


Well if you take the loss of 9 May ...its not a gain....so the sky has been falling unless you want to define it otherwise.... I can't imaging what it is called.....
 
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Jopvarn wrote "Had I practiced what I preach AND STUCK TO my plan as outlined by Tech THIS TIME, I would be BUYING INTO THE MARKET TODAY."

????? I'm not buying in to the market at this time....why would you under the above pretense.....?????


Todays market early action is trending towards another loss coming in the market over the next week.....lets wait and see how it comes out.....
 
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The_Technician said:
Well if you take the loss of the I fund since 9 May as of yesterday, the net loss is 8.9% loss, 7.35% in S fund and over 4% in C fund.....so I think I clarified it better for ya...its not a gain....so the sky has been falling unless you want to define it otherwise.... I can't imaging what a almost 9% loss is called.....

I don't think you "clarified" anything. From Feb 13th to May 9th the S fund was up 8.76%. What's your point? That whole time you were saying stay out of the market just like you are now.

My point is several people have made good money during this period as opposed to sitting in the G and doing nothing.

A wise man learns by the mistakes of others,
a fool by his own.
Latin Proverb
 
There are a handful of folks who (for one reason or another) no longer submit to, or wish to assimilate with, the Tracker; the Borg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg . I do enjoy the Excel spreadsheet for my personal use though; use it for the wife's 401k too. At the further risk of being overly argumentative... I'll cut this post very short. The Tracker accuracy is only as reliable as a participants dedication to getting the IFT's to TSP Talk on time, and the permanent assignment of an unbiased and reliable individual to update it. :) JMHO
TSP_Elvis said:
Sorry, had to chime in on this one with the facts. Got these from the tally thread so this is as of last Friday. If you had listened to Tech, you'd have a .38% return as opposed to your 7.35%. I don't understand your praise?

Tech's been saying the sky is falling for sometime now. Sooner later he's gonna get it right. I'm curious to see how long he sits in the G fund now.

Be careful, one is judged by the company they keep.
 
Just my 2 cents. I created the Tally in order to see who was doing well and to learn how they move within the market. I've learned a lot in the last couple years. What the Tally also tells you is who needs to get better in their market approach.

For 2006: Technician, who to his credit called the May drop, is at 0.38% as TSP_Elvis has pointed out. That is ranked #61 out of 64 people posting since the beginning of the year. That is also 1.58% BEHIND the G-fund. The Technician has been wrong Jan, Feb, Mar, and Apr. I'll be the first to say that 5 months is not enough to judge someone by, but it is enough to know when to be wary until there has been a change to tell us otherwise.

If you read his post, you will quickly come to the understanding that he is a perma-bear. He constantly tells us the sky (market) is falling. Someone who constantly says the market is going to move in a certain direction will eventually be correct.

To the positive, he has posted some interesting links.
 
Fivetears said:
...and the permanent assignment of an unbiased and reliable individual to update it.

The spreadsheet is e-mailed out to anyone who request it. You can therefore check the accuracy of anyone's tracker spreadsheet by comparing the spreadsheet to the members account thread.

The Tracker does take a LOT of effort by multiple individuals to undertake on a monthly basis and 80+ people are being tracked right now. It does take effort to get IFTs posted by the deadline. However, the rule is in place to keep arm chair quarterbacking from occuring. For those that remember the message board prior to the account threads, there was a lot of arm chair quarterbacks who would say after the fact that they had made very good IFTs just prior to big moves in the market. The account threads keep the arm chair quarterbacks of the world honest.
 
And again, thanks FundSurfer for a great investment tool. It has helped me tremendously this year. I now am beating ALL TSP fund investment options @ 8.49% as of yesterday, and my wife is beating every one of her 401k investment options @ 9.18%; 1.42% over her International Fund investment option. We were never able to do that before the Excel Tracker. :D You really did a great job.
FundSurfer said:
Just my 2 cents. I created the Tally in order to see who was doing well and to learn how they move within the market. I've learned a lot in the last couple years. What the Tally also tells you is who needs to get better in their market approach.

For 2006: Technician, who to his credit called the May drop, is at 0.38% as TSP_Elvis has pointed out. That is ranked #61 out of 64 people posting since the beginning of the year. That is also 1.58% BEHIND the G-fund. The Technician has been wrong Jan, Feb, Mar, and Apr. I'll be the first to say that 5 months is not enough to judge someone by, but it is enough to know when to be wary until there has been a change to tell us otherwise.

If you read his post, you will quickly come to the understanding that he is a perma-bear. He constantly tells us the sky (market) is falling. Someone who constantly says the market is going to move in a certain direction will eventually be correct.

To the positive, he has posted some interesting links.
 
FundSurfer said:
Just my 2 cents. I created the Tally in order to see who was doing well and to learn how they move within the market. I've learned a lot in the last couple years. What the Tally also tells you is who needs to get better in their market approach.

For 2006: Technician, who to his credit called the May drop, is at 0.38% as TSP_Elvis has pointed out. That is ranked #61 out of 64 people posting since the beginning of the year. That is also 1.58% BEHIND the G-fund. The Technician has been wrong Jan, Feb, Mar, and Apr. I'll be the first to say that 5 months is not enough to judge someone by, but it is enough to know when to be wary until there has been a change to tell us otherwise.

If you read his post, you will quickly come to the understanding that he is a perma-bear. He constantly tells us the sky (market) is falling. Someone who constantly says the market is going to move in a certain direction will eventually be correct.

To the positive, he has posted some interesting links.

It looks like you only invested 2 cents into research of my activities also...you are so far off base in my case you must never be referred to as one of knowledge....apparently you need to rethink your limited observed knowledge base and resultant assumptions....

On the market ......I think we just lost some support of that toe hold going over that cliff this morning......looks like its choke time....
 
Daily Yak

The Kingdom of TSP
Daily Edition
June 7, 2006 Closing

Yak, Doodles, Tea Leaves & The Tin Box

Kingdom Yak:
Pro-Yak...................................Lube drops 2% as supplies build up. And, Iran spiff eases.
Con-Yak..................................Dock workers were unable to dislodge the torpedo that struck the USS Market on Monday. Cartel members strangely defended Captain BB's firing of the torpedo.

Doodles:
Socks [$SPX] Closed at..............1256.15, dn -7.70
Volume (CMF) (money flow).........-0.039, decreasing.
Averages (MACD) (trend)............-8.768, decreasing.
Momentum (S-STO) (signal).........33.90, decreasing.
Strength (RSI) Overbought/sold....[70] 39.12 [30]

Lube (NYM) Closed at..................70.82, dn -1.68
Oil Markers................................<70= ok, 70-75= worry, >75= panic.

Tea Leaves:
Charts & Stuff............................Red / Yellow [doodles dn, Lube > 70]

Tin Box:
Position.....................................100% socks.
Stops [$SPX]..............................Alert: 1275 [broken]. Trail: 1262 [broken].
 
A few thoughts on this market:


The Bears are still in control! The only good news is 1250's continue to hold.
I added some stock today and yesterday. Added additional shares of I Fund today.

Dollar headed up gold headed down. Make's me wonder if maybe Ben had a plan. I doubt it, but it's possible!!!

Many ivestors are on a Buyers Strike! They will stay on the sidelines until the dust settles or we get way oversold!

Long term investors! Maybe Birchtree has it correct here, and the S&P at 1250's is a good price to add new money for 6 months out. We shall see in December. I think he has it RIGHT!

TSP members making frequent moves good luck in this market!

I added additional shares today and will hold for the next rally. If we don't get it I'll feel the pain with Birchtree. I'm now around 50% long after closing out all longs last Friday.

I still think we get a rally soon, but we need to get more oversold first.

Unfortunately, the way TSP is set up we could hit 1240's in the morning and close at 1270's in the afternoon. So I placed my bet now!!! Hard to pick bottoms or tops. It sure feels good when you do, and it feels like crap when you miss big.


TA Recommendation's

3 50% to 100% long

4 Cash

1 Short Small Caps


GO GO Birchtree!!!
 
Best advice is still go away in MAY!!!

Wednesday, June 07, 2006

Another Day in the Range

The stock market was volatile within the trading range on Wednesday. After alerting ETF Trader subscribers to the trading low on Tuesday, we analyzed the action on Wednesday morning and sent an email to those subscribers at 1:15pm EDT Wednesday with the S&P 500 June futures near 1269:


"... With resistance directly overhead, the rally is in danger of reversing this afternoon ... If the market does roll over as expected, it wouldn't take much to trigger fresh sell signals and that's what we expect will happen."

Indeed, the market did roll over, sell signals from our indicators were triggered and the market dropped precipitously. The June S&Ps dropped 15 points and the June Dow Industrials dropped 123 points from the time that email went out.

Still, even though the Dow was weak and did drop to a new low for the correction/bear market, most of the other stock indices did not. In fact, the low of the correction for most indices was made back in May and all the action since then has formed a trading range. Consolidation theory says the market is simply digesting its losses and will be continuing further south -- eventually. That won't preclude traders from making money on the short term action, however.

If you are a long term investor and do not trade the market, our advice stands to stay safe in money market funds -- even if we do get another trading rally, which we, in fact, expect to happen fairly shortly. This market has not taken all the prisoners it will eventually take.

http://marketclues.blogspot.com/
 
Tomorrow will prove to be very interesting, as many look to the European Central Banks to raise their rates a (rumored) half point. It will be equally interesting to see how the US Markets are affected on Friday... if at all.
 
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