Marijuana is the Debt buster we need.

Re: Reefer not recommended for Federal employees

amoeba said:
Actually, it's not "any other" drug; it's every drug; and smoked marijuana is not a drug. There actually IS such a thing as a pill with a synthetic, purified, form of the active ingredient in Marijuana that can be prescribed, and administered in oral form. That IS an approved drug. But smoked joints is not the same thing.

The misnomer "medical" marijuana, does not involve an approved drug. The FDA would never approve inhalation of a combusted plant product as a means of drug delivery for the reason you state (dosage), and also the adverse effect of byproducts of combustion (the "smoke"). This form of the chemical is not a drug, it has no medical benefit administered in this way, it has not been through trials, not applied for, not approved, and it is illegal to sell it, or use it, in this country. Doctors cannot prescribe smoked marijuana as a drug, because it is not a drug.

The whole "medical" smoked marijuana has come about solely because Obama is a doper who decided in his omnipotence to direct the Federal authorities not to prosecute cases in which users claim medical benefits for marijuana use that is otherwise permitted by state law.

But that is not the same as legalizing marijuana. It is not legal under Federal law. My agency has drug-sensitive positions, and may test without notice as a condition of initial hire and continued employment; reefer in your system is grounds for withdrawal of an offer, or for termination once employed. The Federal government could care less if California, or Alaska, or Washington or anywhere else backwards state allows it - if you want to toke dope, go work for the State, don't come crying to the Feds because you think that it's "allowed".

Not recommended for Federal employees.
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Sorry..you're wrong on most all counts..Colorado for example has medically prescribed SMOKEABLE Marijuana..do some research and don't speculate...and leave Obama out of this..this debacle has been simmering for 20 years.

While I will agree it is illegal for a GOV employee to use in their off duty time (Right Now)..and the only reason that is, is because it is still classified as ILLEGAL..period..no other reason...Alcohol on the other hand is not..and most all you self righteous hypocrites have quite a few snorts of booze after work (not saying you specifically, just generalizing as you do)..perfectly acceptable..But double standards are Hypocritical too.
 
DEA Mexico Chief Reyes Lists Reasons To End Marijuana Prohibition​

by Brinna | March 18, 2009 at 04:01 pm ​


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Presently, the United States Federal Government sweepingly includes marijuana (or cannabis) in its ongoing War on Drugs. This classification is arguably a relic of the politically-based vilification of cannabis that began in 1937, and seems to have little to do with actual dangers inherent in the substance itself. Many reasoned assertions have been made to promote legalization and regulation of cannabis, but few speak as loudly as these statistics recently given by one of the Nation's top drug warriors, battling the growing drug-violence in Juarez, Mexico.​

During an interview with Al Roker, on his recent MSNBC television, special Marijuana, Inc., DEA Mexico and Central America Chief Raphael Reyes shared some thought provoking facts. He said that fully 60% of the Drug Cartel profits come from the sale of cannabis.​

Reyes went on to say that: ​

  1. “Marijuana is the cartel's cash cow. Cheap to grow, and extremely profitable.”
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: DEA Mexico Chief Reyes Lists Reasons To End Marijuana Prohibition | NowPublic News Coverage http://www.nowpublic.com/health/dea...asons-end-marijuana-prohibition#ixzz1HZTI2Zpf
 
Buster said:
Right on:cool:
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Right on, is right!

Alcohol kills people, ruins lives and families. But, that's OK, because it's LEGAL!

Drunk drivers get maybe 3 years in jail and probation for driving drunk and
killing people. In some states, they get 3 chances before they the due any prison time. But, America tolerates this, and jumps on the bandwagon about the evils of smoking pot!?! Geez, I'm so pissed!:mad:

Thanks, Mcqlives... you are articulating the argument for legalization well.
 
Steel_Magnolia said:
Cartels aren't just selling weed. No mark-up in it anymore. Now they are more into meth, heroin and cocaine. So using the "no more drug crime" argument won't help the cause.

This is an interesting subject. Spouse and I got into one of the few real fights of our 3 plus decades of marriage when I brought up the subject of medical legalization to my former undercover law enforcement hubby. Serious divergence in outlook there! LOL
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I can see where your Husband is coming from..he was a LEO..Doing his job..POT is/was illegal and that is black and white..The job was simple..enforce the law..bless him..and I respect those that don't become judge and jury in the street...

on the other hand, I know where you stand on the subject..sometime it's the only form of hormonal therapy there is..(wink)
 
Reefer not recommended for Federal employees

Mcqlives said:
I do want to see how this will work if it becomes law. One of my big gripes about medical marijuana is how to quantify it. Any other drug has a regulated amount (mg strength for example). How do you grow a plant and say that the product has "x" amount of THC? If it is the active drugs in the plant people need/want there are marijuana pills (even inhalers) available that have quantifiable amounts of THC. Makes me think that the people that want marijuana legalized just want to smoke it and not get in trouble.

Even that is fine with me, just don't say it is for medical purposes when you are putting smoke in your lungs and don't make all of us pay for your medical expenses (Schitzo drugs are really expensive, I hear!).
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Actually, it's not "any other" drug; it's every drug; and smoked marijuana is not a drug. There actually IS such a thing as a pill with a synthetic, purified, form of the active ingredient in Marijuana that can be prescribed, and administered in oral form. That IS an approved drug. But smoked joints is not the same thing.

The misnomer "medical" marijuana, does not involve an approved drug. The FDA would never approve inhalation of a combusted plant product as a means of drug delivery for the reason you state (dosage), and also the adverse effect of byproducts of combustion (the "smoke"). This form of the chemical is not a drug, it has no medical benefit administered in this way, it has not been through trials, not applied for, not approved, and it is illegal to sell it, or use it, in this country. Doctors cannot prescribe smoked marijuana as a drug, because it is not a drug.

The whole "medical" smoked marijuana has come about solely because Obama is a doper who decided in his omnipotence to direct the Federal authorities not to prosecute cases in which users claim medical benefits for marijuana use that is otherwise permitted by state law.

But that is not the same as legalizing marijuana. It is not legal under Federal law. My agency has drug-sensitive positions, and may test without notice as a condition of initial hire and continued employment; reefer in your system is grounds for withdrawal of an offer, or for termination once employed. The Federal government could care less if California, or Alaska, or Washington or anywhere else backwards state allows it - if you want to toke dope, go work for the State, don't come crying to the Feds because you think that it's "allowed".

Not recommended for Federal employees.
 
nnuut said:
I agree with that but do you have any idea how much those ass***** across the border are making on our habits? Killing folks, beheading, and moving their operations to the USA with their Gangs. This needs to be stopped, I like a dubie as much as anyone but this price is way too high!JMHO:suspicious:
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Now this is where you and I totally agree...Once we legalize at least Pot..then it take the illegals and Drug cartels out of the equation..Granted, they will still push their other trash on our society..and that is what needs to be stopped...but to single out Pot and lump it in with all the other bad man-made drugs is like calling all Muslims terrorists.
 
Cartels aren't just selling weed. No mark-up in it anymore. Now they are more into meth, heroin and cocaine. So using the "no more drug crime" argument won't help the cause.

This is an interesting subject. Spouse and I got into one of the few real fights of our 3 plus decades of marriage when I brought up the subject of medical legalization to my former undercover law enforcement hubby. Serious divergence in outlook there! LOL
 
Buster said:
Sorry Norm..I disagree..Define illegal drugs....If pot were to be legal or decriminalized or de-demonized..the courts and jails could spend their resources on more serious crimes and have more room in jail for the real scum to stay locked up and not let loose on society because of overcrowding because of people incarcerated for a few bags of pot in their possession..

Going with what you say..lets stop everything, and not just that, that isn't in your generation's scope of acceptance..

like: Alcohol, Cigarettes/tobacco, caffeine, etc...
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I agree with that but do you have any idea how much those ass***** across the border are making on our habits? Killing folks, beheading, and moving their operations to the USA with their Gangs. This needs to be stopped, I like a dubie as much as anyone but this price is way too high!JMHO:suspicious:
 
Afishegg said:
Were all gonna wish we had some marijuana to smoke in about a year or 2 from now, when our economy is collapsed and all financial hell has broken loose.
It's coming, oh! it's coming!

just a scenario that could happen here soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N8gJSMoOJc&feature=pyv&ad=6050032234&kw=peter schiff
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What you talking about Willis?
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nnuut said:
America STOP the illagel drugs and cure the the Mexican Drug Cartel Problem, it would just die, it's as simple as that. View attachment 10808
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Sorry Norm..I disagree..Define illegal drugs....If pot were to be legal or decriminalized or de-demonized..the courts and jails could spend their resources on more serious crimes and have more room in jail for the real scum to stay locked up and not let loose on society because of overcrowding because of people incarcerated for a few bags of pot in their possession..

Going with what you say..lets stop everything, and not just that, that isn't in your generation's scope of acceptance..

like: Alcohol, Cigarettes/tobacco, caffeine, etc...
 
America STOP the illagel drugs and cure the the Mexican Drug Cartel Problem, it would just die, it's as simple as that. hippy.gif
 
Mcqlives said:
If everyone is so mellow, who's working?:D

If there are people working but weed is legal, do you want to fly on a plane that was put together by people when they are high? If you say that those people wouldn't be allowed to get high while working then we are back to measurements...how long before work would they be allowed to toke; what would the testing be; what would an allowable level of THC be in the urine for drug testing; etc.
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Although you seem to half understand that the legalization of Pot could be a financial boom for the country..you somewhat jokingly are still diverging into the stereo-typing misconceptions that some people with misinformation dwell on..Let me say it plainly...No one becomes a lazy bum because they partake in after work or weekend of pot partying...In fact, the day after, most people function at a better level of production than anyone that was out all night boozing it up...Pot is a demotivator?...another urban myth..While high maybe..but nobody that is somebody with a job and or family is going to get high 24/7...can't physically happen....Is pot the evil gateway drug to harder drugs like..dare I say, Heroin or coke or meth?..Hell no!..those that succumb to addictive drugs are predisposed to anyways and would classify coffee as a gateway drug to Crank, etc.....Should people get high while working or about to go to work or school or drive?..Hell no!....Most normal responsible people don't drink before going to work..same difference would apply for personal responsibility with pot...I know people of high social stature that have gone through a complete career and retired completely successful at everything they did and still found time for recreational pot smoking...So don't let preconceived, cliche' worn out notions of ill informed people and media fill your head that pot is evil..Reefer Madness tried that a long time ago...

But since we are talking about 21st century life styles now...I think and firmly believe quality control will never be an issue or a concern...My God!..They clone sheep and cows now right and left with consistent results of high standards..I'm sure a few good herbalists have figured out how to consistently grow high quality strains of the wild-wood weed..
 
Buster said:
I..I will say that if the US as a whole adopts a legal environment for medical and casual use of Pot..we could see our society basically just mellow out and just not worry about foreign issues like we do today..
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If everyone is so mellow, who's working?:D

If there are people working but weed is legal, do you want to fly on a plane that was put together by people when they are high? If you say that those people wouldn't be allowed to get high while working then we are back to measurements...how long before work would they be allowed to toke; what would the testing be; what would an allowable level of THC be in the urine for drug testing; etc.
 
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