Marijuana is the Debt buster we need.

Reefer not recommended for Federal employees

I do want to see how this will work if it becomes law. One of my big gripes about medical marijuana is how to quantify it. Any other drug has a regulated amount (mg strength for example). How do you grow a plant and say that the product has "x" amount of THC? If it is the active drugs in the plant people need/want there are marijuana pills (even inhalers) available that have quantifiable amounts of THC. Makes me think that the people that want marijuana legalized just want to smoke it and not get in trouble.

Even that is fine with me, just don't say it is for medical purposes when you are putting smoke in your lungs and don't make all of us pay for your medical expenses (Schitzo drugs are really expensive, I hear!).

Actually, it's not "any other" drug; it's every drug; and smoked marijuana is not a drug. There actually IS such a thing as a pill with a synthetic, purified, form of the active ingredient in Marijuana that can be prescribed, and administered in oral form. That IS an approved drug. But smoked joints is not the same thing.

The misnomer "medical" marijuana, does not involve an approved drug. The FDA would never approve inhalation of a combusted plant product as a means of drug delivery for the reason you state (dosage), and also the adverse effect of byproducts of combustion (the "smoke"). This form of the chemical is not a drug, it has no medical benefit administered in this way, it has not been through trials, not applied for, not approved, and it is illegal to sell it, or use it, in this country. Doctors cannot prescribe smoked marijuana as a drug, because it is not a drug.

The whole "medical" smoked marijuana has come about solely because Obama is a doper who decided in his omnipotence to direct the Federal authorities not to prosecute cases in which users claim medical benefits for marijuana use that is otherwise permitted by state law.

But that is not the same as legalizing marijuana. It is not legal under Federal law. My agency has drug-sensitive positions, and may test without notice as a condition of initial hire and continued employment; reefer in your system is grounds for withdrawal of an offer, or for termination once employed. The Federal government could care less if California, or Alaska, or Washington or anywhere else backwards state allows it - if you want to toke dope, go work for the State, don't come crying to the Feds because you think that it's "allowed".

Not recommended for Federal employees.
 
Cartels aren't just selling weed. No mark-up in it anymore. Now they are more into meth, heroin and cocaine. So using the "no more drug crime" argument won't help the cause.

This is an interesting subject. Spouse and I got into one of the few real fights of our 3 plus decades of marriage when I brought up the subject of medical legalization to my former undercover law enforcement hubby. Serious divergence in outlook there! LOL


I can see where your Husband is coming from..he was a LEO..Doing his job..POT is/was illegal and that is black and white..The job was simple..enforce the law..bless him..and I respect those that don't become judge and jury in the street...

on the other hand, I know where you stand on the subject..sometime it's the only form of hormonal therapy there is..(wink)
 

Right on, is right!

Alcohol kills people, ruins lives and families. But, that's OK, because it's LEGAL!

Drunk drivers get maybe 3 years in jail and probation for driving drunk and
killing people. In some states, they get 3 chances before they the due any prison time. But, America tolerates this, and jumps on the bandwagon about the evils of smoking pot!?! Geez, I'm so pissed!:mad:

Thanks, Mcqlives... you are articulating the argument for legalization well.
 
DEA Mexico Chief Reyes Lists Reasons To End Marijuana Prohibition

by Brinna | March 18, 2009 at 04:01 pm


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Presently, the United States Federal Government sweepingly includes marijuana (or cannabis) in its ongoing War on Drugs. This classification is arguably a relic of the politically-based vilification of cannabis that began in 1937, and seems to have little to do with actual dangers inherent in the substance itself. Many reasoned assertions have been made to promote legalization and regulation of cannabis, but few speak as loudly as these statistics recently given by one of the Nation's top drug warriors, battling the growing drug-violence in Juarez, Mexico.​

During an interview with Al Roker, on his recent MSNBC television, special Marijuana, Inc., DEA Mexico and Central America Chief Raphael Reyes shared some thought provoking facts. He said that fully 60% of the Drug Cartel profits come from the sale of cannabis.​

Reyes went on to say that:

  1. “Marijuana is the cartel's cash cow. Cheap to grow, and extremely profitable.”
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: DEA Mexico Chief Reyes Lists Reasons To End Marijuana Prohibition | NowPublic News Coverage http://www.nowpublic.com/health/dea...asons-end-marijuana-prohibition#ixzz1HZTI2Zpf
 
Re: Reefer not recommended for Federal employees

Actually, it's not "any other" drug; it's every drug; and smoked marijuana is not a drug. There actually IS such a thing as a pill with a synthetic, purified, form of the active ingredient in Marijuana that can be prescribed, and administered in oral form. That IS an approved drug. But smoked joints is not the same thing.

The misnomer "medical" marijuana, does not involve an approved drug. The FDA would never approve inhalation of a combusted plant product as a means of drug delivery for the reason you state (dosage), and also the adverse effect of byproducts of combustion (the "smoke"). This form of the chemical is not a drug, it has no medical benefit administered in this way, it has not been through trials, not applied for, not approved, and it is illegal to sell it, or use it, in this country. Doctors cannot prescribe smoked marijuana as a drug, because it is not a drug.

The whole "medical" smoked marijuana has come about solely because Obama is a doper who decided in his omnipotence to direct the Federal authorities not to prosecute cases in which users claim medical benefits for marijuana use that is otherwise permitted by state law.

But that is not the same as legalizing marijuana. It is not legal under Federal law. My agency has drug-sensitive positions, and may test without notice as a condition of initial hire and continued employment; reefer in your system is grounds for withdrawal of an offer, or for termination once employed. The Federal government could care less if California, or Alaska, or Washington or anywhere else backwards state allows it - if you want to toke dope, go work for the State, don't come crying to the Feds because you think that it's "allowed".

Not recommended for Federal employees.
Sorry..you're wrong on most all counts..Colorado for example has medically prescribed SMOKEABLE Marijuana..do some research and don't speculate...and leave Obama out of this..this debacle has been simmering for 20 years.

While I will agree it is illegal for a GOV employee to use in their off duty time (Right Now)..and the only reason that is, is because it is still classified as ILLEGAL..period..no other reason...Alcohol on the other hand is not..and most all you self righteous hypocrites have quite a few snorts of booze after work (not saying you specifically, just generalizing as you do)..perfectly acceptable..But double standards are Hypocritical too.
 
Re: Reefer not recommended for Federal employees

:D
Sorry..you're wrong on most all counts..Colorado for example has medically prescribed SMOKEABLE Marijuana..do some research and don't speculate...and leave Obama out of this..this debacle has been simmering for 20 years.

While I will agree it is illegal for a GOV employee to use in their off duty time (Right Now)..and the only reason that is, is because it is still classified as ILLEGAL..period..no other reason...Alcohol on the other hand is not..and most all you self righteous hypocrites have quite a few snorts of booze after work (not saying you specifically, just generalizing as you do)..perfectly acceptable..But double standards are Hypocritical too.

:D Go Buster, go Buster..... as we say in Hawaii - You da bomb!
 
i'm not so worried about the social aspects of it, people will find a way to do what they want to do anyway, not my concern. and i don't have much hope that increased tax revenues will be spent any more responsibly than they are now.

i'm more interested in the financial aspect, like should i dump my J&J holdings (personal grooming) and push all in to the citgo and hershey's (quickmart) sector. someone's going to make money on this.
 
i'm not so worried about the social aspects of it, people will find a way to do what they want to do anyway, not my concern. and i don't have much hope that increased tax revenues will be spent any more responsibly than they are now.

i'm more interested in the financial aspect, like should i dump my J&J holdings (personal grooming) and push all in to the citgo and hershey's (quickmart) sector. someone's going to make money on this.

LOL..you're never late to put a smile on my face..thanks Burro..:D
 
can't remem... recal... well what I was....
dammit just see the link, I think...
I need food stuff


"Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty with thinking and problemsolving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that, in chronic users, marijuana's adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time."

http://drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
 
I think you are over thinking this..give it a chance....it has already been proven by the $1.7 Billion + revenue it's generating in the very FEW States that have adopted tolerance...I hear what you're saying..but as you eluded too..time and results (profits) will be the test of this...to be good or bad..as far as social problems within the majority that will use vs abuse..You have not been out in the real world..people don't commit crazy crimes while high on Pot compared to people blitzed on booze...Once it is legal the illegal element is removed or minimized....i.e., drug cartels and their likes.
Yeah, then those cartel leaders can become upstanding citizens and political candidates, like the Kennedy's!:D
 
Buster,

I don't disagree with most of what you said, except the part where you seem to classify me as a person who is dressed in a Gruff the crime dog suit (wasn't that the name of the DARE mascot?).:cheesy: But let me respond to a couple of things you said.

[QUOTE=Buster;307745]....Most normal responsible people don't drink before going to work..same difference would apply for personal responsibility with pot...

I can't argue with "normal responsible people" using drugs. If you educate yourself, thoroughly, about the risks associated with drug use and choose to use them, I don't care as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Just don't make me or others pay for your medical expenses if any arise because of the use. It is the non-responsible that I am concerned about being given the blanket cover that legalization will give.

But since we are talking about 21st century life styles now...I think and firmly believe quality control will never be an issue or a concern...My God!..They clone sheep and cows now right and left with consistent results of high standards..I'm sure a few good herbalists have figured out how to consistently grow high quality strains of the wild-wood weed..[/QUOTE]

I am not talking about "quality control". I am talking about how to measure the active ingredients in a product that is supposed to be used as medicine. Any other prescription drug has a "strength" assigned to it so you can use it in appropriate doses. How can you measure that with marijuana?

Again, good discussion!
 
Re: Reefer not recommended for Federal employees

Actually, it's not "any other" drug; it's every drug; and smoked marijuana is not a drug. There actually IS such a thing as a pill with a synthetic, purified, form of the active ingredient in Marijuana that can be prescribed, and administered in oral form. That IS an approved drug. But smoked joints is not the same thing.

Omoeba,

I agree with, and was implying, the same thing as you, just didn't want to type that much. This thread is almost as heated as the political ones!

-mcq
 
Expect reversal once bammy the pothead departs

No Buster:

There is no such thing as smoking marijuana being a drug, or being prescribed.

It has not been submitted to the FDA, it has not gone through trial, it has not been approved. A state cannot approve a drug.

I'm not speculating....I'm paraphrasing from the FDA and it's position on this particular substance, and the mode of delivery (breathing of burned plant material). Our government does not approve, has never approved, and will never approve, this type of administration.

If your doctor wishes to prescribe you the purified, FDA-approved, medical equivalent of cannabinol (a pill); he will diagnose your condition and do so. You don't get to run out to a dispensary and declare "I got insomnia, I need dope". Medical treatment just doesn't work like that. This is not like a breast implant. It is being purported to be a treatment for a medical condition. You wanting to smoke pot is not a condition; you wanting pot for a headache is irrelevant; your doctor decides if you get an aspirin, or something else.

It is not an FDA approved drug, and it cannot be "prescribed"; and, by the way, you won't be getting reimbursed on your flexible spending account. You'd be more likely to get a prescription for a witch doctor to sprinkle holy water on you to exorcise a demon.

All of this started with bammy - and his directive to Federal agents not to prosecute - and with horrible local results where I live in California (numerous dope shops, pipe shops, hydroponic shops) - we have a local ordinance that prevents any of these from being in business outside the City boundaries (unincorporated Sacramento County), but the Sheriff is so busy he cannot send someone out without a request, and there are so many of them to close, and close they will.

Bammy opened the floodgates, and when he is gone, and he will be for this and other reasons come next election; this will end just as quickly as it began.
 
All,

To clarify, I am against "medical marijuana". If someone wants to get the effects of the active ingredients of marijuana then they have pills and inhalers available.

That being said, if someone wants to go smoke a few over a weekend, I could give a rats A$$. Just don't make me responsible for any of the health issues that will arise from smoking it!

A short story... a few years ago I had a relation in a cancer ward in St. Louis. One time I was visiting her in the day room and several patients were saying they wished they could smoke weed legally. My relation, and the larger group she was with, said they had no desire to smoke weed even if it may give then some different relief from the pains they felt. One of the nurses overheard and, in a loud voice, asked that everyone that had smoked marijuana more than 10 times in their lives to raise their hand. The only ones that did were the ones that wanted the marijuana legalized.
 
All,

To clarify, I am against "medical marijuana". If someone wants to get the effects of the active ingredients of marijuana then they have pills and inhalers available.

That being said, if someone wants to go smoke a few over a weekend, I could give a rats A$$. Just don't make me responsible for any of the health issues that will arise from smoking it!
Well the same should be true for all vices of society, including obesity and texting or talking on the cell phone while driving..You can draw a line anywhere..but make sure you know what you are talking about on which battles to fight..

Looks like everyone is of their own opinion and that's fine and the way it should be..just make your stand on solid truthful facts and not urban myths and ill informed rants of others that like to dictate their moral code on society..right or wrong..make your own decisions on your life but don't butt into mine....

I am not talking about "quality control". I am talking about how to measure the active ingredients in a product that is supposed to be used as medicine. Any other prescription drug has a "strength" assigned to it so you can use it in appropriate doses. How can you measure that with marijuana?
It is quite doable and is being done ..that IS quality control..


And Amoeba don't drink every drop of kool-aid when someone hands you a glass..You get beat up pretty bad in your account talk because of your narrow mind..so don't bring that to every topic on this MB...the So called experts you refer to are so far off base it isn't funny..kinda like the Global warming experts....



This topic has gone full circle for me, so I'm done..and I know this will be a good thing for this economy..I hope it happens soon.
 
Buster,

Agreed, it is all about personal responsibility! Everyone makes choices, they should just make them responsibly and be as educated, on both sides of any topic, as much as possible when making them.

Great conversation, thanks for all the posts!
 
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