Marijuana is the Debt buster we need.

choosing criminal activity is never responsible

Mcqlives said:
Buster,

Agreed, it is all about personal responsibility! Everyone makes choices, they should just make them responsibly and be as educated, on both sides of any topic, as much as possible when making them.

Great conversation, thanks for all the posts!
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Let's get one thing straight about the term "choice"; buying and using weed in that form is a criminal activity in the entire country; there's nothing responsible about it, or any other illegal substance. It's use and sale as a recreational or medical substance is completely barred by Federal law.

One choice (not buying/selling/using) is responsible, the other is criminal.

It's like choosing to commit any other crime, namely, irresponsible. Bammy can go toke up a smokescreen in another life; by the way - does anyone know if he - in his great example-setting behavior on health care reform, ever gave up cigarettes? Get some nicoderm, dude.
 
Afishegg said:
Just thought you guys would like to know a little something about "weed".
I always tell my work mates, 1st thing when I retire I'm gonna buy a bag and smoke it up, and yes I'm being serious!

Indica weed vs Sativa weed:
"The main difference between indica and sativa is in the marijuana leaves. Sativa marijuana leaves are much smaller and thinner then Indica marijuana leaves"​


Indica....higher CBD than THC equals heavier, sleepy type of high. Yield is usually higher than Sativa, and shorter growing season. Better for indoor growing, because they don't get as tall.Its marijuana leaves have short, wide fingers and are deep green, often tinged with purple.At maturity, the marijuana leaves start to turn even darker purple. It has short branches laden with thick, dense marijuana buds, which mature early, usually about the beginning of September.
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Sativa....higher THC than CBD equals cerebral, soaring type of high, more energetic Yield is usually lower than Indica, but is very potent. Sativa grow taller and have a longer flowering period, so they are better suited for outdoors. Sativa marijuana buds smell sweet, fruity (Apple Pie comes to mind) and perfumed, and their smoke is usually smooth and easily inhaled. When smoking a sativa the high is very Cerebral, you have a rush of energy, a buzz in the body and a great way of getting the housework done without vegging out......



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beautiful..:nuts:
 
Just thought you guys would like to know a little something about "weed".

(I always tell my work mates, 1st thing when I retire I'm gonna buy a bag and smoke it up, and yes I'm being serious! Hell, who knows it might be legal by then, woohoo. On a personal note, I definately believe in legalized marijuana, did you know the earliest Americans made it a "required" crop to grow? We have become the biggest sissiest/pussy/P.C of a nation when it comes to this subject, make it legal already and let's all live in peace, let all the "weed" folks outta jail and free up sum space for real criminals....LEGALIZE IT ALREADY...DAMN!) read on my friends.

Indica weed vs Sativa weed:
"The main difference between indica and sativa is in the marijuana leaves. Sativa marijuana leaves are much smaller and thinner then Indica marijuana leaves"​


Indica....higher CBD than THC equals heavier, sleepy type of high. Yield is usually higher than Sativa, and shorter growing season. Better for indoor growing, because they don't get as tall.Its marijuana leaves have short, wide fingers and are deep green, often tinged with purple.At maturity, the marijuana leaves start to turn even darker purple. It has short branches laden with thick, dense marijuana buds, which mature early, usually about the beginning of September.
Pictures below....

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Sativa....higher THC than CBD equals cerebral, soaring type of high, more energetic Yield is usually lower than Indica, but is very potent. Sativa grow taller and have a longer flowering period, so they are better suited for outdoors. Sativa marijuana buds smell sweet, fruity (Apple Pie comes to mind) and perfumed, and their smoke is usually smooth and easily inhaled. When smoking a sativa the high is very Cerebral, you have a rush of energy, a buzz in the body and a great way of getting the housework done without vegging out......



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Buster busted!!!

Buster said:
...And Amoeba don't drink every drop of kool-aid when someone hands you a glass..You get beat up pretty bad in your account talk because of your narrow mind..so don't bring that to every topic on this MB...the So called experts you refer to are so far off base it isn't funny..kinda like the Global warming experts....
This topic has gone full circle for me, so I'm done..and I know this will be a good thing for this economy..I hope it happens soon.
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The FDA isn't a "so-called" expert; they are the Federal agency which determines what is approved and what is not. No other agency, State, local, or other government, gets to do that. States don't have the authority to approve drugs; people do not get to vote on what drugs are approved; and their vote in favor does not constitute approval. We - here in California can throw anything we like onto an initiative ballot. All that tells you is the voter sentiment. It doesn't make it a legal activity for something that is controlled by Federal law.

If anyone wants to submit dope to the FDA, using smoking as the mode of delivery and drug administration, go ahead. Go ahead and see if you can even get approval to conduct trials, and - if you ever do (doubt you will) - you can submit the results with an application to the FDA for approval. There will be no medical dope economy unless it is approved by the FDA.

And, our government cannot say that dope is not a drug, to get around the FDA's authority. Because FDA says it is a drug - just not one that they are going to approve; smoked. As I said, the active ingredient in dope has been synthesized, tested, and put into a pill - you can use that. There is no need to legalize at-will smoking of same, and many contraindications associated with breathing of smoke, and inability to control the dosage.

Buster's done - because he never was able to say anything that made any sense in the first place.

In other words, buster's busted!!!
 
There have been scientific studies done that demonstrate maryjane has the positive benefit of reducing brain placques - I should get some before I really get senile.
 
Buster,

Agreed, it is all about personal responsibility! Everyone makes choices, they should just make them responsibly and be as educated, on both sides of any topic, as much as possible when making them.

Great conversation, thanks for all the posts!
 
Mcqlives said:
All,

To clarify, I am against "medical marijuana". If someone wants to get the effects of the active ingredients of marijuana then they have pills and inhalers available.

That being said, if someone wants to go smoke a few over a weekend, I could give a rats A$$. Just don't make me responsible for any of the health issues that will arise from smoking it!
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Well the same should be true for all vices of society, including obesity and texting or talking on the cell phone while driving..You can draw a line anywhere..but make sure you know what you are talking about on which battles to fight..

Looks like everyone is of their own opinion and that's fine and the way it should be..just make your stand on solid truthful facts and not urban myths and ill informed rants of others that like to dictate their moral code on society..right or wrong..make your own decisions on your life but don't butt into mine....

I am not talking about "quality control". I am talking about how to measure the active ingredients in a product that is supposed to be used as medicine. Any other prescription drug has a "strength" assigned to it so you can use it in appropriate doses. How can you measure that with marijuana?
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It is quite doable and is being done ..that IS quality control..


And Amoeba don't drink every drop of kool-aid when someone hands you a glass..You get beat up pretty bad in your account talk because of your narrow mind..so don't bring that to every topic on this MB...the So called experts you refer to are so far off base it isn't funny..kinda like the Global warming experts....



This topic has gone full circle for me, so I'm done..and I know this will be a good thing for this economy..I hope it happens soon.
 
All,

To clarify, I am against "medical marijuana". If someone wants to get the effects of the active ingredients of marijuana then they have pills and inhalers available.

That being said, if someone wants to go smoke a few over a weekend, I could give a rats A$$. Just don't make me responsible for any of the health issues that will arise from smoking it!

A short story... a few years ago I had a relation in a cancer ward in St. Louis. One time I was visiting her in the day room and several patients were saying they wished they could smoke weed legally. My relation, and the larger group she was with, said they had no desire to smoke weed even if it may give then some different relief from the pains they felt. One of the nurses overheard and, in a loud voice, asked that everyone that had smoked marijuana more than 10 times in their lives to raise their hand. The only ones that did were the ones that wanted the marijuana legalized.
 
Expect reversal once bammy the pothead departs

No Buster:

There is no such thing as smoking marijuana being a drug, or being prescribed.

It has not been submitted to the FDA, it has not gone through trial, it has not been approved. A state cannot approve a drug.

I'm not speculating....I'm paraphrasing from the FDA and it's position on this particular substance, and the mode of delivery (breathing of burned plant material). Our government does not approve, has never approved, and will never approve, this type of administration.

If your doctor wishes to prescribe you the purified, FDA-approved, medical equivalent of cannabinol (a pill); he will diagnose your condition and do so. You don't get to run out to a dispensary and declare "I got insomnia, I need dope". Medical treatment just doesn't work like that. This is not like a breast implant. It is being purported to be a treatment for a medical condition. You wanting to smoke pot is not a condition; you wanting pot for a headache is irrelevant; your doctor decides if you get an aspirin, or something else.

It is not an FDA approved drug, and it cannot be "prescribed"; and, by the way, you won't be getting reimbursed on your flexible spending account. You'd be more likely to get a prescription for a witch doctor to sprinkle holy water on you to exorcise a demon.

All of this started with bammy - and his directive to Federal agents not to prosecute - and with horrible local results where I live in California (numerous dope shops, pipe shops, hydroponic shops) - we have a local ordinance that prevents any of these from being in business outside the City boundaries (unincorporated Sacramento County), but the Sheriff is so busy he cannot send someone out without a request, and there are so many of them to close, and close they will.

Bammy opened the floodgates, and when he is gone, and he will be for this and other reasons come next election; this will end just as quickly as it began.
 
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amoeba said:
Actually, it's not "any other" drug; it's every drug; and smoked marijuana is not a drug. There actually IS such a thing as a pill with a synthetic, purified, form of the active ingredient in Marijuana that can be prescribed, and administered in oral form. That IS an approved drug. But smoked joints is not the same thing.
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Omoeba,

I agree with, and was implying, the same thing as you, just didn't want to type that much. This thread is almost as heated as the political ones!

-mcq
 
Buster,

I don't disagree with most of what you said, except the part where you seem to classify me as a person who is dressed in a Gruff the crime dog suit (wasn't that the name of the DARE mascot?).:cheesy: But let me respond to a couple of things you said.

[QUOTE=Buster;307745]....Most normal responsible people don't drink before going to work..same difference would apply for personal responsibility with pot...

I can't argue with "normal responsible people" using drugs. If you educate yourself, thoroughly, about the risks associated with drug use and choose to use them, I don't care as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Just don't make me or others pay for your medical expenses if any arise because of the use. It is the non-responsible that I am concerned about being given the blanket cover that legalization will give.

But since we are talking about 21st century life styles now...I think and firmly believe quality control will never be an issue or a concern...My God!..They clone sheep and cows now right and left with consistent results of high standards..I'm sure a few good herbalists have figured out how to consistently grow high quality strains of the wild-wood weed..[/QUOTE]

I am not talking about "quality control". I am talking about how to measure the active ingredients in a product that is supposed to be used as medicine. Any other prescription drug has a "strength" assigned to it so you can use it in appropriate doses. How can you measure that with marijuana?

Again, good discussion!
 
Buster said:
I think you are over thinking this..give it a chance....it has already been proven by the $1.7 Billion + revenue it's generating in the very FEW States that have adopted tolerance...I hear what you're saying..but as you eluded too..time and results (profits) will be the test of this...to be good or bad..as far as social problems within the majority that will use vs abuse..You have not been out in the real world..people don't commit crazy crimes while high on Pot compared to people blitzed on booze...Once it is legal the illegal element is removed or minimized....i.e., drug cartels and their likes.
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Yeah, then those cartel leaders can become upstanding citizens and political candidates, like the Kennedy's!:D
 
can't remem... recal... well what I was....
dammit just see the link, I think...
I need food stuff


"Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty with thinking and problemsolving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that, in chronic users, marijuana's adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time."

http://drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
 
burrocrat said:
i'm not so worried about the social aspects of it, people will find a way to do what they want to do anyway, not my concern. and i don't have much hope that increased tax revenues will be spent any more responsibly than they are now.

i'm more interested in the financial aspect, like should i dump my J&J holdings (personal grooming) and push all in to the citgo and hershey's (quickmart) sector. someone's going to make money on this.
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LOL..you're never late to put a smile on my face..thanks Burro..:D
 
i'm not so worried about the social aspects of it, people will find a way to do what they want to do anyway, not my concern. and i don't have much hope that increased tax revenues will be spent any more responsibly than they are now.

i'm more interested in the financial aspect, like should i dump my J&J holdings (personal grooming) and push all in to the citgo and hershey's (quickmart) sector. someone's going to make money on this.
 
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:D
Buster said:
Sorry..you're wrong on most all counts..Colorado for example has medically prescribed SMOKEABLE Marijuana..do some research and don't speculate...and leave Obama out of this..this debacle has been simmering for 20 years.

While I will agree it is illegal for a GOV employee to use in their off duty time (Right Now)..and the only reason that is, is because it is still classified as ILLEGAL..period..no other reason...Alcohol on the other hand is not..and most all you self righteous hypocrites have quite a few snorts of booze after work (not saying you specifically, just generalizing as you do)..perfectly acceptable..But double standards are Hypocritical too.
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:D Go Buster, go Buster..... as we say in Hawaii - You da bomb!
 
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